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So we are getting our heads severed while 144,000 Jews are sealed and protected. I'm glad God draws a line somewhere.
Also the ten virgins were sleeping in comfort. Not this kid. I'll be on the run with my grand and great grand kids.
'Comfort one another with these words'. 1Thess. 4:18
Oh yea! I feel better about the whole thing already. Don't you? Smile.
Also the ten virgins were sleeping in comfort. Not this kid. I'll be on the run with my grand and great grand kids.
'Comfort one another with these words'. 1Thess. 4:18
Oh yea! I feel better about the whole thing already. Don't you? Smile.
You're right I don't interpret the coming pseudo-Christ to be a flesh born man, but Satan himself, de facto in our dimension on earth, working those great signs and miracles our Lord Jesus said would almost... deceive His own elect, if it were possible.
In Matt.24 and Mark 13 Jesus showed that false one to come others will say is Him. There's only One True Messiah recognized in God's Word, and that is our Lord Jesus Christ. Because of the Bible prophecy, that coming false one cannot be a Muslim.
In 2 Corinthians 11, Apostle Paul revealed the coming false one for the end will be Satan. Paul warned the brethren against believing on the "another Jesus" in that chapter, and then later referred to how Satan transforms (disguises in the Greek) himself as an angel of light, and his ministers as the ministers of righteousness.
In Revelation 12, we are shown Satan and his angels are cast down to this earth after the war in Heaven with the Archangel Micheal. A Woe is given to those who live on earth per the Scripture. So our Lord Jesus through His servant John gave you the warning that Satan is coming to this earth, to our dimension. That is further shown by our Lord Jesus by declaring other titles for Satan, like the "dragon". And in Rev.13 we're shown how the whole world will worship... "the dragon" (excepting Christ's elect); it doesn't say some Muslim cleric or northern leader either, nor any flesh man.
Rev.17 says the whole world will wonder at that dragon (as the "beast" of Rev.17:8 that will ascend out of the bottomless pit), as to who he is.
Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV
In Matt.24 and Mark 13 Jesus showed that false one to come others will say is Him. There's only One True Messiah recognized in God's Word, and that is our Lord Jesus Christ. Because of the Bible prophecy, that coming false one cannot be a Muslim.
In 2 Corinthians 11, Apostle Paul revealed the coming false one for the end will be Satan. Paul warned the brethren against believing on the "another Jesus" in that chapter, and then later referred to how Satan transforms (disguises in the Greek) himself as an angel of light, and his ministers as the ministers of righteousness.
In Revelation 12, we are shown Satan and his angels are cast down to this earth after the war in Heaven with the Archangel Micheal. A Woe is given to those who live on earth per the Scripture. So our Lord Jesus through His servant John gave you the warning that Satan is coming to this earth, to our dimension. That is further shown by our Lord Jesus by declaring other titles for Satan, like the "dragon". And in Rev.13 we're shown how the whole world will worship... "the dragon" (excepting Christ's elect); it doesn't say some Muslim cleric or northern leader either, nor any flesh man.
Rev.17 says the whole world will wonder at that dragon (as the "beast" of Rev.17:8 that will ascend out of the bottomless pit), as to who he is.
Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV
Hello Tintin,
Then you obviously haven't studied this subject and your example above actually demonstrates the difference between those who are "taken" when Christ returns to the earth to end the age, opposed to when Christ descends from heaven where the dead rise first and then we who are still alive are changed and caught up. When the Lord comes to gather his church the dead will be resurrected and the living will be changed with the whole group meeting him in the air, where according to his promise in John 14:1-3, he will then take us back to the Father's house to those dwelling places that he went and prepared for us. Do you know that every believe is to be looking for and anticipating the Lord's appearing?
"From now on the crown of righteousness is laid up for me, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me in that day; but not only to me, but also to all those loving His appearing."
1 Thes.4:13-18/1 cor.15:51-53 = The Lord's appearing to resurrect the dead and change the living, where the whole group will be caught up to meet him in the air and where he will take us back to the Father's house to those dwelling places that he prepared for us in fulfillment of his promise in John 14:1-3.
Mt.24:29-31/Rev.19:11-21 = The return of the Lord to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom on earth.
"Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back—whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn. If he comes suddenly, do not let him find you sleeping. What I say to you, I say to everyone: ‘Watch!’ ”
The Lord's return to gather his church is imminent i.e. like the bridegroom coming for his bride we must always be ready and watching. Those who don't believe in his promise to remove us from the earth are not watching nor are they ready.
The gathering of the church: This event is imminent and there are no prophesies that must take place prior to this event.
The Lord''s return to the earth to end the age: This event is marked by many signs, specifically the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which fulfill the wrath of God, as well as the events which take place during the reign of the beast during that last 3 1/2 years.
Then you obviously haven't studied this subject and your example above actually demonstrates the difference between those who are "taken" when Christ returns to the earth to end the age, opposed to when Christ descends from heaven where the dead rise first and then we who are still alive are changed and caught up. When the Lord comes to gather his church the dead will be resurrected and the living will be changed with the whole group meeting him in the air, where according to his promise in John 14:1-3, he will then take us back to the Father's house to those dwelling places that he went and prepared for us. Do you know that every believe is to be looking for and anticipating the Lord's appearing?
"From now on the crown of righteousness is laid up for me, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me in that day; but not only to me, but also to all those loving His appearing."
1 Thes.4:13-18/1 cor.15:51-53 = The Lord's appearing to resurrect the dead and change the living, where the whole group will be caught up to meet him in the air and where he will take us back to the Father's house to those dwelling places that he prepared for us in fulfillment of his promise in John 14:1-3.
Mt.24:29-31/Rev.19:11-21 = The return of the Lord to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom on earth.
"Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back—whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn. If he comes suddenly, do not let him find you sleeping. What I say to you, I say to everyone: ‘Watch!’ ”
The Lord's return to gather his church is imminent i.e. like the bridegroom coming for his bride we must always be ready and watching. Those who don't believe in his promise to remove us from the earth are not watching nor are they ready.
The gathering of the church: This event is imminent and there are no prophesies that must take place prior to this event.
The Lord''s return to the earth to end the age: This event is marked by many signs, specifically the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which fulfill the wrath of God, as well as the events which take place during the reign of the beast during that last 3 1/2 years.
Matthew 24 This is only way JESUS is coming.
27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together. 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
The End
27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together. 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
The End
A must read: Apostasy Now Topic - Pre-Trib Rapture: Answer to "one shall be taken, the other left"
The greek words for 'taken' studied. Supports pre-trib 'escape'.
The greek words for 'taken' studied. Supports pre-trib 'escape'.
How could you possibly know the status of other believers?
Personally, I don't really care one way or the other, pre-trib, post-trib, NO-trib, rapture, no rapture....... none of that makes ANY difference to me, other than being an interesting thing to ponder.
My salvation is guaranteed as long as I am walking to the best of my ability with Jesus. PERIOD.
Doesn't matter if I'm "watching" the current events and doing all the calculations on dates/times/prophesies...
That means "be ready".... watching does NO good, if you are not ready. If you are ready, you are, by default, "watching".
Personally, I don't really care one way or the other, pre-trib, post-trib, NO-trib, rapture, no rapture....... none of that makes ANY difference to me, other than being an interesting thing to ponder.
My salvation is guaranteed as long as I am walking to the best of my ability with Jesus. PERIOD.
Doesn't matter if I'm "watching" the current events and doing all the calculations on dates/times/prophesies...
That means "be ready".... watching does NO good, if you are not ready. If you are ready, you are, by default, "watching".
Hornet, I'm on. You're right as rain. I love Him, and He loves me. We got a thing going that no amount of tribulation can steal.
One thing. Book of Daniel, 'seal up these things till the time of the end'. Daniel 12:4. He'll reveal to us what we need to know as we go.
On vacation when I was just a sprig, I'd ask my dad 'when we gonna get there dad?' He'd say 'you'll know when we get there'.
However, I do believe if we had the NT freedom to function 'one unto another', more prophetic utterances would take place.
But even if alone, God can still speak to you personally....by His Spirit on things.
One thing. Book of Daniel, 'seal up these things till the time of the end'. Daniel 12:4. He'll reveal to us what we need to know as we go.
On vacation when I was just a sprig, I'd ask my dad 'when we gonna get there dad?' He'd say 'you'll know when we get there'.
However, I do believe if we had the NT freedom to function 'one unto another', more prophetic utterances would take place.
But even if alone, God can still speak to you personally....by His Spirit on things.
Because, as believer's we are supposed to be watching and anticipating his return. You should also know that God would not punish the righteous with the wicked. You should also know the severity of the wrath that is coming, if you did, you would not be believing that God would put his church through it.
"Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day--and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing."
Those who don't even believe in the Lord's promise of gathering the living at the time of the resurrection, are not even watching nor trusting in his promise. And those who think that our gathering is to take place after God's wrath has been poured out, are not looking for his appearing, but for his wrath first.
I don't know the status of believer's, but for those who say they don't believe in his promise to gather us, they themselves are the ones who are letting me know their status. That's some blessed hope and a real comfort, believing and telling other believer's, "oh by the way, yeah you're saved, but you still have to go through God's wrath. Sorry!"
The Lord's return to gather his church is always imminent and we are supposed to be watching and ready. Regarding our being gathered Paul said, "comfort one another with these words" If we were to go through God's wrath first, there would be no comfort in it nor would it be a blessed hope. Go to the thread called "the Rapture" and find post #424, which is a list of God's wrath and then you think about whether or not it would be in God's nature or character to send his church through his unprecedented time of wrath. Get off the fence and understand what the word of God is saying about this issue!
"Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day--and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing."
Those who don't even believe in the Lord's promise of gathering the living at the time of the resurrection, are not even watching nor trusting in his promise. And those who think that our gathering is to take place after God's wrath has been poured out, are not looking for his appearing, but for his wrath first.
I don't know the status of believer's, but for those who say they don't believe in his promise to gather us, they themselves are the ones who are letting me know their status. That's some blessed hope and a real comfort, believing and telling other believer's, "oh by the way, yeah you're saved, but you still have to go through God's wrath. Sorry!"
The Lord's return to gather his church is always imminent and we are supposed to be watching and ready. Regarding our being gathered Paul said, "comfort one another with these words" If we were to go through God's wrath first, there would be no comfort in it nor would it be a blessed hope. Go to the thread called "the Rapture" and find post #424, which is a list of God's wrath and then you think about whether or not it would be in God's nature or character to send his church through his unprecedented time of wrath. Get off the fence and understand what the word of God is saying about this issue!
I'm ready for both/either.
I don't really like heights though, so I hope that part will be pretty quick.
3rd Day sums up the next part better than I could... From their song Trust in Jesus.
One of these days we all will stand in judgment for
Every single word that we have spoken
One of these days we all will stand before the Lord
Give a reason for everything we've done and what I've done is
Trust in Jesus, my great Deliverer
My strong Defender, the Son of God
I trust in Jesus, blessed Redeemer
My Lord forever, the Holy One, the Holy One
Read more: Third Day - Trust In Jesus Lyrics | MetroLyrics
I don't really like heights though, so I hope that part will be pretty quick.
3rd Day sums up the next part better than I could... From their song Trust in Jesus.
One of these days we all will stand in judgment for
Every single word that we have spoken
One of these days we all will stand before the Lord
Give a reason for everything we've done and what I've done is
Trust in Jesus, my great Deliverer
My strong Defender, the Son of God
I trust in Jesus, blessed Redeemer
My Lord forever, the Holy One, the Holy One
Read more: Third Day - Trust In Jesus Lyrics | MetroLyrics