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Hello KohenMatt,
Regardless of your other points, the information that I provided is clear in that there is going to be a resurrection and immediately after that the living are going to be changed and caught up. So that has to happen at some point because all scripture must be fulfilled. Please list your other points that you are referring to.
Thanks!
Regardless of your other points, the information that I provided is clear in that there is going to be a resurrection and immediately after that the living are going to be changed and caught up. So that has to happen at some point because all scripture must be fulfilled. Please list your other points that you are referring to.
Thanks!
Hello again,
The teaching:
From the Lord himself: According to the Lord’s word.
Christ descends: For the Lord himself will come down from heaven
The resurrection of the dead: the dead in Christ will rise first.
The living changed and caught up: After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air
Paul taught the following from information received from the Lord:
"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage one another with these words.
"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed."
So, now that you have read the above, how is it that you say that it is not taught by Jesus, when Paul states this information is according to the Lord's own word? And how can you say that it was not taught by the disciples, when what Paul wrote about it is stated plainly above? Again, putting aside the timing of this event, according to the information above, at some point in time just as the scripture states, the dead in Christ are going to rise first and then after that, those who are still alive will be changed/transformed into those immortal and glorified bodies and will be caught up with those who will have previously resurrected, where according to John 14:1-3, Jesus will take the whole group back to the Father's house.
Oh but it does have a bearing on you and each and every believer's life and that because the promise is to all believer's and Jesus told us to be watching and anticipating his appearing to gather us. It should be the "blessed hope" of all believer's, otherwise what is your hope, the wrath of God? Because that is what is coming upon this earth, which is why Paul says to comfort one another with the promise of the Lord's coming to gather us in order to keep us from the hour of trial that going to come upon the whole world to test those on the face of the earth. Scripture also states that we are not appointed to suffer the coming wrath and that because Jesus rescued us from it by having the wrath that we deserved poured out on Him. Though I myself do not like the word "rapture" the word refers to both the dead and the living being caught up and not just the living. So, by your claim, you are not even believing in the resurrection, for the dead are also caught up. Read the scriptures that give a detailed account of the resurrection of the dead and the changing and catching up of the living that are listed above.
The teaching:
From the Lord himself: According to the Lord’s word.
Christ descends: For the Lord himself will come down from heaven
The resurrection of the dead: the dead in Christ will rise first.
The living changed and caught up: After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air
Paul taught the following from information received from the Lord:
"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage one another with these words.
"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed."
So, now that you have read the above, how is it that you say that it is not taught by Jesus, when Paul states this information is according to the Lord's own word? And how can you say that it was not taught by the disciples, when what Paul wrote about it is stated plainly above? Again, putting aside the timing of this event, according to the information above, at some point in time just as the scripture states, the dead in Christ are going to rise first and then after that, those who are still alive will be changed/transformed into those immortal and glorified bodies and will be caught up with those who will have previously resurrected, where according to John 14:1-3, Jesus will take the whole group back to the Father's house.
Oh but it does have a bearing on you and each and every believer's life and that because the promise is to all believer's and Jesus told us to be watching and anticipating his appearing to gather us. It should be the "blessed hope" of all believer's, otherwise what is your hope, the wrath of God? Because that is what is coming upon this earth, which is why Paul says to comfort one another with the promise of the Lord's coming to gather us in order to keep us from the hour of trial that going to come upon the whole world to test those on the face of the earth. Scripture also states that we are not appointed to suffer the coming wrath and that because Jesus rescued us from it by having the wrath that we deserved poured out on Him. Though I myself do not like the word "rapture" the word refers to both the dead and the living being caught up and not just the living. So, by your claim, you are not even believing in the resurrection, for the dead are also caught up. Read the scriptures that give a detailed account of the resurrection of the dead and the changing and catching up of the living that are listed above.
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Using 1 debatable verse (which you seem certain you understand perfectly and that anyone who disagrees with your interpretation is wrong) to disprove the other points is a faulty circle of reasoning.
There is one debatable verse that may appear (may, but not likely IMO) to prove rapture, but the concept or doctrine of rapture as we know it today isn't ever mentioned or taught again until hundreds and hundreds of years later.
Many of those things are good and righteous, but they are things that should always be a part of our lives, regardless of whether a "rapture" happens, or "end times" begin. I don't give much thought to Jesus appearing in the future because I know he appears every day. THAT is what believers should spend their time praying for; that Jesus would appear in our lives and more importantly in the lives of others. Whatever comes down the pike in the future is exactly that: the future. And as long as I'm daily focusing on today, the future will take care of itself.
The God who "was" is important.
The God who "is to come" is important.
But the God who "is" defines my daily life and ministry.
There is one debatable verse that may appear (may, but not likely IMO) to prove rapture, but the concept or doctrine of rapture as we know it today isn't ever mentioned or taught again until hundreds and hundreds of years later.
Many of those things are good and righteous, but they are things that should always be a part of our lives, regardless of whether a "rapture" happens, or "end times" begin. I don't give much thought to Jesus appearing in the future because I know he appears every day. THAT is what believers should spend their time praying for; that Jesus would appear in our lives and more importantly in the lives of others. Whatever comes down the pike in the future is exactly that: the future. And as long as I'm daily focusing on today, the future will take care of itself.
The God who "was" is important.
The God who "is to come" is important.
But the God who "is" defines my daily life and ministry.
So, now that I have answered your questions you're going to back out? And even with all of that provided information, you still don't understand? How hard can it be to understand the words "Those who are still alive will be changed and caught up"? The words "air" and "clouds" should give you an idea of where the church is being caught up to. I thank God that I along with every believer, we have a promise from the Lord to gather us before he begins to pour his wrath out upon this earth, which the majority of the world will not survive.
Pardon me for butting in but the thread is about the rapture. It appears the author doesnt mind so go ahead and reason it out as God would have you to do. Do you have a teachable spirit? Can you be shown in scripture enough evidence to believe in the hope we have? Gods kids are not appointed to wrath. We are told he will pull us out. The trib is not a time that God deals with his kids but a time that he deals with the wicked. We will be supping with our Savior
Are you stuck and dont know how to prove the brother wrong ? I ask with jest not judgement. Blessings
Are you stuck and dont know how to prove the brother wrong ? I ask with jest not judgement. Blessings
Pardon me for butting in but the thread is about the rapture. It appears the author doesnt mind so go ahead and reason it out as God would have you to do. Do you have a teachable spirit? Can you be shown in scripture enough evidence to believe in the hope we have? Gods kids are not appointed to wrath. We are told he will pull us out. The trib is not a time that God deals with his kids but a time that he deals with the wicked. We will be supping with our Savior
Are you stuck and dont know how to prove the brother wrong ? I ask with jest not judgement. Blessings
Are you stuck and dont know how to prove the brother wrong ? I ask with jest not judgement. Blessings
Going back to my original points, Jesus didn't teach it, the apostles didn't, and the early church didn't. A "rapture" doctrine didn't exist until around the 16th century. And using that one debatable verse to say that all of those people did teach about the rapture, even though no one ever mentioned it again until the 16th century, isn't evidence.
If the sole basis of one's argument is their personal interpretation of 1 particular passage of Scripture, there isn't much conversation left to be had.
Hello KohenMatt,
First of all, who cares about what people believed in the 16th century. My concern is what is written in the word of God, not what other people believe or believed. The reason that we believe in it is because scripture teaches it. I broke the scripture down for you, which is very easy to understand, but you didn't have an answer for it. Instead you wanted to discontinue the discussion.
The Thessalonians knew the teaching regarding the resurrection of the dead and the living being changed and caught up. For there were false teachers proclaiming that the resurrection had already taken place, which prompted the Thessalonians to write Paul of which he said:
"Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come."
Their concern was that since it was being preached that the resurrection had already taken place, then why hadn't they been changed and caught up according to the teaching. For they knew Paul's teaching that the dead in Christ would rise first and then immediately following that, those who were still alive at that time would be changed and caught up with them to meet the Lord in the air. Basically the Thessalonians were saying, "Hey Paul, there are some guys here teaching that the resurrection has already take place, so how come we're still here?" They were also concerned because Paul taught that the wrath of God was also to follow the resurrection. So as you can see, the living being changed and caught up was taught and believed by the first century church. Otherwise, why be concerned about when the resurrection takes place at all? Why become easily unsettled or alarmed by that teaching? The answer is, if the resurrection had already taken place and they hadn't been changed and caught up, then the only thing left to follow was God's wrath.
There are those who put the resurrection as taking place when Christ returns to the earth to end the age, which takes place after the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. But you are in a different class altogether, for you don't even believe what you are reading. Just that one scripture in 1 thes.4:13-18 is very clear on regarding this subject.
Who do you think Paul got it from?
"According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep"
So, do you still believe that Jesus didn't teach it? It almost seems as though you are purposely trying to ignore the scriptures that proclaim this event. I can never understand why you people who get on here and say "It's not taught in scripture" when it is right there in plain print.
First of all, who cares about what people believed in the 16th century. My concern is what is written in the word of God, not what other people believe or believed. The reason that we believe in it is because scripture teaches it. I broke the scripture down for you, which is very easy to understand, but you didn't have an answer for it. Instead you wanted to discontinue the discussion.
The Thessalonians knew the teaching regarding the resurrection of the dead and the living being changed and caught up. For there were false teachers proclaiming that the resurrection had already taken place, which prompted the Thessalonians to write Paul of which he said:
"Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come."
Their concern was that since it was being preached that the resurrection had already taken place, then why hadn't they been changed and caught up according to the teaching. For they knew Paul's teaching that the dead in Christ would rise first and then immediately following that, those who were still alive at that time would be changed and caught up with them to meet the Lord in the air. Basically the Thessalonians were saying, "Hey Paul, there are some guys here teaching that the resurrection has already take place, so how come we're still here?" They were also concerned because Paul taught that the wrath of God was also to follow the resurrection. So as you can see, the living being changed and caught up was taught and believed by the first century church. Otherwise, why be concerned about when the resurrection takes place at all? Why become easily unsettled or alarmed by that teaching? The answer is, if the resurrection had already taken place and they hadn't been changed and caught up, then the only thing left to follow was God's wrath.
There are those who put the resurrection as taking place when Christ returns to the earth to end the age, which takes place after the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. But you are in a different class altogether, for you don't even believe what you are reading. Just that one scripture in 1 thes.4:13-18 is very clear on regarding this subject.
Who do you think Paul got it from?
"According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep"
So, do you still believe that Jesus didn't teach it? It almost seems as though you are purposely trying to ignore the scriptures that proclaim this event. I can never understand why you people who get on here and say "It's not taught in scripture" when it is right there in plain print.
Pardon me for butting in but the thread is about the rapture. It appears the author doesnt mind so go ahead and reason it out as God would have you to do. Do you have a teachable spirit? Can you be shown in scripture enough evidence to believe in the hope we have? Gods kids are not appointed to wrath. We are told he will pull us out. The trib is not a time that God deals with his kids but a time that he deals with the wicked. We will be supping with our Savior
Are you stuck and dont know how to prove the brother wrong ? I ask with jest not judgement. Blessings
Are you stuck and dont know how to prove the brother wrong ? I ask with jest not judgement. Blessings
There is no Scripture to show we are raptured to heaven prior to the tribulation. That's where you are following men's doctrines instead.
The particular 'wrath' you are quoting from men's doctrines is loosely based on Apostle Paul in 1 Thess.5, but he was speaking of God's wrath upon the wicked on "the day of the Lord" timing, which only happens on the LAST DAY OF THIS WORLD (not during the tribulation). Again, you're mixed up because of listening to men's traditions of a pre-trib rapture instead of heeding what God's Word actually teaches.
Through the years I have been persecuted. Without going into the details, I faced my persecutors head on. When I turned around, the brothers that were with me were long gone. They got on the fastest horses outta Dodge. I always stood alone. No man stood with me. Most of my persecutors were Christians, so called. Don't even go there. This was even back when I WAS tithing and doing 'church'. Gotcha. See: 'Which pastor'.
This should be the 'normal' Christian experience. Rejection and Aloneness. See Paul.
2Tim. 4:16 At my first defense, no one came to my support. Everyone deserted me. May it not be held against them.
No, no, no..Paul said that. Even though I experienced the same thing.
Are christians ready for the antichrist forces? Sad to say but many Christians ARE OF the antichrist forces. They just don't know it.
The following is talking not about the world, but about the state of Christendom in the last days.
Many being deceived. Imposters. 2Tim. 3:13
Always learning but not coming to full knowledge of the truth. Vs. 7
Because lawlessness (false word) will abound the love of many will wax cold. Matt. 24:12
False 'pastors' will appear and do great signs and miracles, deceiving the very elect if possible. Matt. 24:24
It will be the 'churches' of Sardis and Laodecia that have names on their Marques declaring that they are Full gospel, vibrant, bible believing, devil stomping, scripture quoting, IMPACT 'churches' that will 'reject sound doctrine' and are DEAD. REV. 3
For the time will come (it's here now) when people (Christians) WILL NOT put up with sound doctrine but will gather (hire) to themselves (false pastors) teachers to teach to them what they want to hear ( twisted scripture). 2Tim. 4:3
Be free, be blessed. Take the narrow road that leads to life and peace. Few there be that dare.
This should be the 'normal' Christian experience. Rejection and Aloneness. See Paul.
2Tim. 4:16 At my first defense, no one came to my support. Everyone deserted me. May it not be held against them.
No, no, no..Paul said that. Even though I experienced the same thing.
Are christians ready for the antichrist forces? Sad to say but many Christians ARE OF the antichrist forces. They just don't know it.
The following is talking not about the world, but about the state of Christendom in the last days.
Many being deceived. Imposters. 2Tim. 3:13
Always learning but not coming to full knowledge of the truth. Vs. 7
Because lawlessness (false word) will abound the love of many will wax cold. Matt. 24:12
False 'pastors' will appear and do great signs and miracles, deceiving the very elect if possible. Matt. 24:24
It will be the 'churches' of Sardis and Laodecia that have names on their Marques declaring that they are Full gospel, vibrant, bible believing, devil stomping, scripture quoting, IMPACT 'churches' that will 'reject sound doctrine' and are DEAD. REV. 3
For the time will come (it's here now) when people (Christians) WILL NOT put up with sound doctrine but will gather (hire) to themselves (false pastors) teachers to teach to them what they want to hear ( twisted scripture). 2Tim. 4:3
Be free, be blessed. Take the narrow road that leads to life and peace. Few there be that dare.
The Falling away comes at the same time as the Appearance of the Man of Lawlessness.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day (the Day Christ Returns) will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Notice that the Falling away and Man of Sin being revealed are linked. The Man of Sin causes the Falling Away (by his deception). Therefore the "Falling Away" isn't a gradual decline of the church. While the church may becoming more and more apostate the event described above is much more than this. It is tied to the Great Tribulation of Israel.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. [SUP]25 [/SUP]See, I have told you beforehand.
Sadly, the non-elect Christians are deceived along with all the Muslims. The Man of Sin wipes out the Church by his deception. The Man of Sin gets much of the church to believe that Christ comes first so when the Man of Sin comes, many Christians will think he is Christ.
The ELECT cannot be deceived. The ELECT understand the deception game of the Lawless One and that he is already at work convincing people that Christ comes first to take them away.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day (the Day Christ Returns) will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Notice that the Falling away and Man of Sin being revealed are linked. The Man of Sin causes the Falling Away (by his deception). Therefore the "Falling Away" isn't a gradual decline of the church. While the church may becoming more and more apostate the event described above is much more than this. It is tied to the Great Tribulation of Israel.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. [SUP]25 [/SUP]See, I have told you beforehand.
Sadly, the non-elect Christians are deceived along with all the Muslims. The Man of Sin wipes out the Church by his deception. The Man of Sin gets much of the church to believe that Christ comes first so when the Man of Sin comes, many Christians will think he is Christ.
The ELECT cannot be deceived. The ELECT understand the deception game of the Lawless One and that he is already at work convincing people that Christ comes first to take them away.
Now that is amazing! DP referred to the Lord's gathering of the church prior to the tribulation as a "SCARE." What possible scare could there be with the Lord gathering his church prior to the out-pouring of his wrath, where if anything it will be a blessing. Again, DP and others continue to have no understanding of the severity and magnitude of the wrath that is coming and which is why the church must be removed prior to its taking place. That time of wrath will be unprecedented, decimating the majority of the population of the earth and the dismantling of all human government. Regarding that last 3 1/2 years, Jesus said that if those days had not been shortened no one on earth would be left alive.
I choose to trust in and look for the Lord's promise of His appearing to gather believer's out of the world prior to the outpouring of his wrath. This should be the blessed hope of all believer's. Therefore, comfort one another with these words.
I choose to trust in and look for the Lord's promise of His appearing to gather believer's out of the world prior to the outpouring of his wrath. This should be the blessed hope of all believer's. Therefore, comfort one another with these words.
Thing is Ahwatukee, no where in scripture will you find He gathers believers out of this world
1 THESSALONIANS 5 [9] For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, [10] Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
Here we see the people of God are not appointed to wrath. The Rapturist claim we are not appointed to wrath because we will be raptured into heaven during this period. You will not find one scripture that says we are going to heaven when we are changed “in the twinkling of an eye”. Not a one. So lets seee why we are not appointed to wrath.
JOHN 17 [14] I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. [15] I PRAY NOT THAT THOU SHOULDEST TAKE THEM OUT OF THE WORLD, BUT THAT THOU SHOULDEST KEEP THEM FROM THE EVIL. [16] They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Yeah, we aint a going nowhere but we will be protected. We will be kept from the evil to come.
ZEPH. 2 [1] Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired; [2] Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the Lord come upon you, BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER come upon you. [3] SEEK YE THE LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: IT MAY BE YE SHALL BE HID IN THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER.
We all should know that the tribulation period comes before the “Day of the Lord”. Gods wrath does not begin until the Day of the Lord which immediatley happens AFTER the tribulation period. Scripture above points out that we should seek the Lord BEFORE the “Day of the Lord” that we shall be hid during the Day of the Lords anger. Not a word about the tribulation period.
PROVERBS 3 [24] When thou liest down, thou shalt not be afraid: yea, thou shalt lie down, and thy sleep shall be sweet. [25] BE NOT AFRAID of sudden fear, neither OF THE DESOLATION OF THE WICKED, when it cometh. [26] For THE LORD SHALL BE THY CONFIDENCE, AND SHALL KEEP THY FOOT FROM BEING TAKEN.
The desolation of the wicked takes place on the return of Christ. Yup, the Day of the Lord. So can any of you Rapturist explain why we are told not to be afraid at that time IF we have been raptured off to heaven. Yeah. You cant explain that. Its because we will be here on Gods green earth
PSALM 37 [7] Rest in the Lord, and WAIT PATIENTLY FOR HIM: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass. [8] Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil. [9] FOR EVILDOERS SHALL BE CUT OFF: BUT THOSE THAT WAIT UPON THE LORD, THEY SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH. [10] For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. [11] But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Just read the scripture above and believe it. The evildoers will be cut off. When? The Day of the Lord ofcourse. We are to wait patiently for Him till that time. According to the Rapturist we have been with Him for 7 yrs in heaven. Not so uh...cording to scripture
PSALM 37 [34] WAIT ON THE LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, THOU SHALT SEE IT.
Where will we be waiting on the Lord? Trying to keep His ways? Yeah, right here on Gods green earth. And when He comes to destroy the wicked...were gonna see it happen
1 THESSALONIANS 5 [9] For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, [10] Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
Here we see the people of God are not appointed to wrath. The Rapturist claim we are not appointed to wrath because we will be raptured into heaven during this period. You will not find one scripture that says we are going to heaven when we are changed “in the twinkling of an eye”. Not a one. So lets seee why we are not appointed to wrath.
JOHN 17 [14] I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. [15] I PRAY NOT THAT THOU SHOULDEST TAKE THEM OUT OF THE WORLD, BUT THAT THOU SHOULDEST KEEP THEM FROM THE EVIL. [16] They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Yeah, we aint a going nowhere but we will be protected. We will be kept from the evil to come.
ZEPH. 2 [1] Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired; [2] Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the Lord come upon you, BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER come upon you. [3] SEEK YE THE LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: IT MAY BE YE SHALL BE HID IN THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER.
We all should know that the tribulation period comes before the “Day of the Lord”. Gods wrath does not begin until the Day of the Lord which immediatley happens AFTER the tribulation period. Scripture above points out that we should seek the Lord BEFORE the “Day of the Lord” that we shall be hid during the Day of the Lords anger. Not a word about the tribulation period.
PROVERBS 3 [24] When thou liest down, thou shalt not be afraid: yea, thou shalt lie down, and thy sleep shall be sweet. [25] BE NOT AFRAID of sudden fear, neither OF THE DESOLATION OF THE WICKED, when it cometh. [26] For THE LORD SHALL BE THY CONFIDENCE, AND SHALL KEEP THY FOOT FROM BEING TAKEN.
The desolation of the wicked takes place on the return of Christ. Yup, the Day of the Lord. So can any of you Rapturist explain why we are told not to be afraid at that time IF we have been raptured off to heaven. Yeah. You cant explain that. Its because we will be here on Gods green earth
PSALM 37 [7] Rest in the Lord, and WAIT PATIENTLY FOR HIM: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass. [8] Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil. [9] FOR EVILDOERS SHALL BE CUT OFF: BUT THOSE THAT WAIT UPON THE LORD, THEY SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH. [10] For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. [11] But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Just read the scripture above and believe it. The evildoers will be cut off. When? The Day of the Lord ofcourse. We are to wait patiently for Him till that time. According to the Rapturist we have been with Him for 7 yrs in heaven. Not so uh...cording to scripture
PSALM 37 [34] WAIT ON THE LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, THOU SHALT SEE IT.
Where will we be waiting on the Lord? Trying to keep His ways? Yeah, right here on Gods green earth. And when He comes to destroy the wicked...were gonna see it happen
I don't need a false teaching from you! Everything that you list is just circumvention of the truth. I know what the word of God says and what the Spirit confirms. You keep saying that no where is it written that the church is going to heaven and I keep presenting the Lord's promise in John 14:1-3, but you continue to ignore it, which is typical. The reason that you believe and teach what you do is because you don't understand the severity and magnitude of the coming wrath. Neither do you understand what it means that we are not appointed to suffer wrath and that because Jesus rescued us from that coming wrath.
The Lord is not going to build his church and then sent it through his wrath. Go and look through Zephaniah, Isaiah and Revelation and see who God is going to be pouring his wrath out upon. It certainly is not the church who will have already repented and of whom there is now no condemnation.
If you understood the severity of the coming wrath, you would know that there will be no place that will be safe from God's wrath and the events of the beast and the false prophet because they will affect the entire earth. God does not punish the righteous with the wicked, ergo, the church cannot be on the earth during his time of wrath. Below are the people whom God's wrath is going to be poured out upon:
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"I will punish the world for its evil, the wicked for their sins. I will put an end to the arrogance of the
haughty and will humble the pride of the ruthless. I will make people scarcer than pure gold, more
rare than the gold of Ophir. Therefore I will make the heavens tremble; and the earth will shake from
its place at the wrath of the Lord Almighty, in the day of his burning anger."
"The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk. Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts."
"I will sweep away everything from the face of the earth, When I destroy all mankind on the face of
the earth, declares the Lord. I will sweep away both man and beast; I will sweep away the birds in the sky and the fish in the sea—and the idols that cause the wicked to stumble. When I destroy all mankind on the face of the earth"
The above is going to be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. When these things begin to happen, then remember these postings. But hopefully the Lord will open your eyes before that happens so that you can repent and be prepared when the bridegroom comes for his bride.