If you believe in OSAS, please answer a few questions for me.
- Thread starter Jason0047
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
I disagree. I do not believe I said anything hateful to attack you personally but I have attacked the belief or the wrong doctrine. I have been called Jason666, I have been called Satan, I have been called a wolf, and many other really hateful things by OSAS proponents over the years. Many times it is a focus on an attack upon me as a person and the Scriptures rarely are discussed by these types of individuals. So I do not see where I have come even close to attacking you personally. For it is not wrong for me to say what Hitler did was wrong and evil. If people do evil, I have a right to say that such evil is wrong.
Have you considered that maybe you are turning a mole hill into a mountain out of some kind of retaliation against me because I reported your posts before that I thought were inappropriate?
Have you considered that maybe you are turning a mole hill into a mountain out of some kind of retaliation against me because I reported your posts before that I thought were inappropriate?
Last edited:
W
"No", what? I did not ask a question. Does "No" mean that you disagree with my explanation of the Trinity?
1 John 5:7 confirms exactly what I said: 'Trinity = 1. God (the Father) + 2. Jesus (the Son) + 3. Holy Spirit (the Helper)'
So why you say "no", and then provide a verse which supports what I said is beyond my understanding.
I don't even understand why you are asking me this question in the first place, and so of course I will not answer a question if I do not understand the context. However, consider this question: How can God be Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? In other words, I don't understand how a person can accept the Trinity, yet question whether God can exist in multiple forms at simultaneously.
1 John 5:7 confirms exactly what I said: 'Trinity = 1. God (the Father) + 2. Jesus (the Son) + 3. Holy Spirit (the Helper)'
So why you say "no", and then provide a verse which supports what I said is beyond my understanding.
I don't even understand why you are asking me this question in the first place, and so of course I will not answer a question if I do not understand the context. However, consider this question: How can God be Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? In other words, I don't understand how a person can accept the Trinity, yet question whether God can exist in multiple forms at simultaneously.
W
I had no idea who reported my previous posts. Have you considered the idea that it is not evil for us to believe that the human condition is Sin? Have you considered the idea that it is evil to accuse someone of committing evil acts, when no evil acts are being performed? Have you considered that you are guilty of the very things to which you are accusing others here?
E
You will see Jason is spoonfed in his religion. Like many others like him, He is taught what you and i believe, and nothing you and I can say will change his mind, that what he believes we believe and those he trusts told him we believe, is in error.
It comes from a lack of humility and a deep seeded pride.
so out of it. You will see him make this same mistake you just caught him in over and over and over. And you can tell him he is wrong, and made a mistake, that he just proved you right 100 times, and he will still deny he is doing what he is doing. Or that you believe that way.
He would have to admit
1. He is wrong (to prideful to do that)
2. Those who trusted, who taught him this crap to begin with were wrong.
It comes from a lack of humility and a deep seeded pride.
so out of it. You will see him make this same mistake you just caught him in over and over and over. And you can tell him he is wrong, and made a mistake, that he just proved you right 100 times, and he will still deny he is doing what he is doing. Or that you believe that way.
He would have to admit
1. He is wrong (to prideful to do that)
2. Those who trusted, who taught him this crap to begin with were wrong.
W
[h=3]Romans 16:17-18 ESV [/h]I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.
Yes, I am just imagining things. Many people did not vote in a poll and admit that they can die in unrepentant sin and still be saved (Thereby condoing a sin and still be saved doctrine).
Do you believe you can die in unrepentant sin (Such as lying etc) and still be saved? - View Poll Results
Do you believe you can die in unrepentant sin (Such as lying etc) and still be saved? - View Poll Results
No doubt and you nailed it on the proverbial head.........there are two to five on this site that are like that.......tooth and nail will argue their contradictory beliefs, deny verb tense, the very definitions of the words, context etc....while having no ability to logically reason out of the scriptures and then refuse to admit their error..........just simply say they are wrong and will not humble themselves even if they end up in hell!
S
I believe "good fruit" will be the result of having Jesus living in you. No fruit... no God living in you.
This I agree with, yet I see it as an impossibility for a person to be saved yet have no fruit. I think we have sometimes taken the commitment of salvation too lightly and reduced it to someone repeating a few words just to get some fire insurance. Salvation is the act of being born again. A person's heart is actually changed. That changed heart desires the things of God and wants to please God. Salvation is a surrender of one's life, dying to self. It's much more than just repeating words.
It only takes one serious sin (that a believer refusees to confess) for them to fall from God's grace.
This I cannot agree with. If my forgiveness depended on my ability to confess, then I would surly be lost because I would miss repenting for something or commit some sin just before I died without getting a chance to repent.
Just look a 1 John concerning confessing our sin.
1 John 1:6-9King James Version (KJV)[SUP]6 [/SUP]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Look particularly at verse 7. It says that those who are walking in the light continually have their sins cleansed by the blood of Jesus. It doesn't say that those who walk in the light do not sin. In fact the next verse says that we are liars if we say we have no sin.
The confession of sins in verse 9 is speaking of our original repentance of sin toward God, our acknowledging that we are sinners and in need of a savior. The Bible example is found in Luke 18:10-14
[SUP] [/SUP]Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
You see the Pharisee depended on his good living and did not acknowledge his sin. The publican didn't have to list his every sin before God and ask forgiveness for each one but he had repentance. He acknowledged himself as a sinner and sought forgiveness from God.
This I agree with, yet I see it as an impossibility for a person to be saved yet have no fruit. I think we have sometimes taken the commitment of salvation too lightly and reduced it to someone repeating a few words just to get some fire insurance. Salvation is the act of being born again. A person's heart is actually changed. That changed heart desires the things of God and wants to please God. Salvation is a surrender of one's life, dying to self. It's much more than just repeating words.
It only takes one serious sin (that a believer refusees to confess) for them to fall from God's grace.
This I cannot agree with. If my forgiveness depended on my ability to confess, then I would surly be lost because I would miss repenting for something or commit some sin just before I died without getting a chance to repent.
Just look a 1 John concerning confessing our sin.
1 John 1:6-9King James Version (KJV)[SUP]6 [/SUP]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Look particularly at verse 7. It says that those who are walking in the light continually have their sins cleansed by the blood of Jesus. It doesn't say that those who walk in the light do not sin. In fact the next verse says that we are liars if we say we have no sin.
The confession of sins in verse 9 is speaking of our original repentance of sin toward God, our acknowledging that we are sinners and in need of a savior. The Bible example is found in Luke 18:10-14
[SUP] [/SUP]Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
You see the Pharisee depended on his good living and did not acknowledge his sin. The publican didn't have to list his every sin before God and ask forgiveness for each one but he had repentance. He acknowledged himself as a sinner and sought forgiveness from God.
What about.....
1. The Corinthian letter and those who have works of wood, hay and stubble that gets burnt yet they themselves are saved yet so as by fire...
2. The not so honorable vessels that are still IN THE HOUSE
3. The fornicating Corinthian brother to be cut loose for the destruction of the flesh so the spirit may be saved in the day of Christ..
You know an apple tree is still an apple tree some two to three years before it bears fruit..............even one piece of fruit is still a piece of fruit......such as FAITH...!
1. The Corinthian letter and those who have works of wood, hay and stubble that gets burnt yet they themselves are saved yet so as by fire...
2. The not so honorable vessels that are still IN THE HOUSE
3. The fornicating Corinthian brother to be cut loose for the destruction of the flesh so the spirit may be saved in the day of Christ..
You know an apple tree is still an apple tree some two to three years before it bears fruit..............even one piece of fruit is still a piece of fruit......such as FAITH...!
1 John 1:9 is not talking about the original confession in coming to God. For who can confess all their sins when they first come to God? Usually it is a general admittance that they have sinned against God (or that they are a sinner) and they need Him as their Savior. This is obvious by the fact that John says in 1 John 2:1 to the brethren that they are to..... "sin not." But if they do sin they have an advocate named Jesus Christ that they can go to. Being cleansed of all sin in 1 John 1:7 is in reference to past sin and not future sin. For why confess sin so as to be forgiven of sin as 1 John 1:9 says? For even Proverbs 28:13 says he that confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy. This is the same thing 1 John 1:9, 1 John 1:7, and 1 John 2:3-4 is teaching. For Paul even says to the brethren about their sins that Godly sorrow leads to repentance unto salvation (2 Corinthians 7:10). David confessed when he murdered and committed adultery and asked that the Lord take not His Spirit from him.
Hey wounded how are you? This triune thing is tough huh? But let me ask you something, Is love the criteria to God or is God the criteria to love? Is knowledge the avenue to understanding for you, or is faithfulness in God regardless of His vast unknown things the criteria to your personal understanding, not yet recognized? God is interested in you understanding, but when it comes to things like the trinity human reasoning and knowledge will not be able to give enough credence to it to allow the understanding of it unless faith is applied. This is not to say a knowledgable explanation is not in it.
Let me ask you something off topic to illustrate: Can you fathom within your reasoning eternity? The omega part of God? As you think of getting your head around that, can you fathom how God has always been here? His alpha part? Human reasoning can understand the potential of the eternal, but comes in conflict with the Alpha because we have no experiential comparison, so we either rationale it by ways of explaining it in another way of disallowance or we simply say I can't know this experientially, but that since God has said it I faithfully attach my reasoning thru Him. God now is our measure of understanding, not reasonability is the measure of God.
The Word is clear. All three are separate, all three are one. Our experiential reasoning can't gather that in....the question now is what will you do to explain that for yourself? Faithfully, or by human reasoning alone? Remember all of Gods truths prove themselves out to be worthy of truth.But regardless of truth not being known in us in it's entirety does not limit truth to set us free. God is the author of love, He is the giver of truth and eventual understanding. Do you trust that? Is that the bedrock of your life: trust in the Father first?
Let me ask you something off topic to illustrate: Can you fathom within your reasoning eternity? The omega part of God? As you think of getting your head around that, can you fathom how God has always been here? His alpha part? Human reasoning can understand the potential of the eternal, but comes in conflict with the Alpha because we have no experiential comparison, so we either rationale it by ways of explaining it in another way of disallowance or we simply say I can't know this experientially, but that since God has said it I faithfully attach my reasoning thru Him. God now is our measure of understanding, not reasonability is the measure of God.
The Word is clear. All three are separate, all three are one. Our experiential reasoning can't gather that in....the question now is what will you do to explain that for yourself? Faithfully, or by human reasoning alone? Remember all of Gods truths prove themselves out to be worthy of truth.But regardless of truth not being known in us in it's entirety does not limit truth to set us free. God is the author of love, He is the giver of truth and eventual understanding. Do you trust that? Is that the bedrock of your life: trust in the Father first?