If you knew you had one week to live, what would be different in your life with God?
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I never said you lied...I simply compared your credibility to one who has a pathological ability to do so.....ie: lie automatically.....kinda like you automatically keep swinging your club up against the carcass of the dead decaying horse you keep beating. Not many here are foolish enough to take you seriously is all I am saying....and thank Jesus for that.
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Hi Jason.
You may want to switch to Roman Catholicism. They don't believe in the individual indwelling of the Holy Spirit, either. That is the only sin that is unforgivable, so they also panic at every sin, instead of relying on and being grateful for Christ's propitiation. They use...
Indulgences.
Confessions to a mediator.
Re-sacrificing the Lord every mass by cannibalism (transubstantiation)
Praying to dead people.
Other sacraments.
Why? Because they believe they can lose their salvation any or / every day.
And this is because they are not born again...
Protestantism generally teaches that being born again, like our Savior said, is commanded for salvation. And Christ's death and resurrection happened one time for all of creation. He died once, for all. That once is critical. Being born again is one dying to one's self (sins) asking Jesus to be our Lord and Savior, and being sealed with His Holy Spirit.
The only unforgivable sin is to blaspheme (reject) the Holy Spirit. How can you reject Him, if He is living within you?
Now here is the tricky part. If you, as you claim, can lose your salvation by sinning after being born again, you have a real problem. You must re - ask the Lord to be your Savior by being reborn, again. But the Bible says He died once for all. You also have to eject the Holy Spirit, because you cant blaspheme God (deny the Holy Spirit) while He is living with in you. Also, how are you going to talk Christ back to the Cross because you are no longer saved by His Blood? The Romans sacrifice Him every mass. That is what you would need to do, to lose, then regain your salvation...
Christ's sacrifice transcends time. The Holy Spirit is permanent. We are adopted into God's family by being born again. If you adopted a child, and he lied to you, would you disown that child? Then why do you think God would? We have a new heart that doesn't want to sin. But we still do. So the Holy Spirit (the Counselor) convicts us of our sin, and we go to our Father, and ask forgiveness, even though we have assurance that we are still His children.
Focus on what God does, not what humans do...
Maranatha
You may want to switch to Roman Catholicism. They don't believe in the individual indwelling of the Holy Spirit, either. That is the only sin that is unforgivable, so they also panic at every sin, instead of relying on and being grateful for Christ's propitiation. They use...
Indulgences.
Confessions to a mediator.
Re-sacrificing the Lord every mass by cannibalism (transubstantiation)
Praying to dead people.
Other sacraments.
Why? Because they believe they can lose their salvation any or / every day.
And this is because they are not born again...
Protestantism generally teaches that being born again, like our Savior said, is commanded for salvation. And Christ's death and resurrection happened one time for all of creation. He died once, for all. That once is critical. Being born again is one dying to one's self (sins) asking Jesus to be our Lord and Savior, and being sealed with His Holy Spirit.
The only unforgivable sin is to blaspheme (reject) the Holy Spirit. How can you reject Him, if He is living within you?
Now here is the tricky part. If you, as you claim, can lose your salvation by sinning after being born again, you have a real problem. You must re - ask the Lord to be your Savior by being reborn, again. But the Bible says He died once for all. You also have to eject the Holy Spirit, because you cant blaspheme God (deny the Holy Spirit) while He is living with in you. Also, how are you going to talk Christ back to the Cross because you are no longer saved by His Blood? The Romans sacrifice Him every mass. That is what you would need to do, to lose, then regain your salvation...
Christ's sacrifice transcends time. The Holy Spirit is permanent. We are adopted into God's family by being born again. If you adopted a child, and he lied to you, would you disown that child? Then why do you think God would? We have a new heart that doesn't want to sin. But we still do. So the Holy Spirit (the Counselor) convicts us of our sin, and we go to our Father, and ask forgiveness, even though we have assurance that we are still His children.
Focus on what God does, not what humans do...
Maranatha
Actually no. I am not convinced (or being convicted in any way) by you or by those who hold to OSAS or a form of OSAS in any way shape or form. I have merely been pre-occupied with other things this week with another believer (in person) to give any replies like I had before.
Anyways, you seem to be forgetting that I think of OSAS and it's various versions and off-shoots (that claim that it is not OSAS) as being pure evil. What you have said lines up perfectly as to what they believe in regards to Eternal Security or OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved).
You said before that you believe you can sin and still be saved because you can repent of your sins and be forgiven. That is not the context of what I was talking about when I say to a person that they can sin and still be saved. One has mercy because they confessed and FORSAKED that sin as Proverbs 28:13 clearly says. Obviously all believers have sinned in their past old life, and obviously we know that believers (even King David) had sinned. But they did not ever think they could sin and still be saved, though. I am talking about abiding in unrepentant sin that leads unto spiritual death. One is not forgiven unless they confess and forsake sin. For Jesus said you will know false prophets by their fruit. You even said before that you would like to think it is possible that a believer could be forgiven even if they did abide in unrepentant serious sins like hate, lust, and lying. This is what others here believe. But God cannot condone a person's evil. If one is actively rebelling against God by sinning, one is not saved while they are rebelling against God unless the LORD knows they are going to confess and forsake their sin (Like King David did). One is not saved if they think they can do both good and evil for the LORD. It doesn't work like that. For Jesus said you cannot serve two masters.
Anyways, you seem to be forgetting that I think of OSAS and it's various versions and off-shoots (that claim that it is not OSAS) as being pure evil. What you have said lines up perfectly as to what they believe in regards to Eternal Security or OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved).
You said before that you believe you can sin and still be saved because you can repent of your sins and be forgiven. That is not the context of what I was talking about when I say to a person that they can sin and still be saved. One has mercy because they confessed and FORSAKED that sin as Proverbs 28:13 clearly says. Obviously all believers have sinned in their past old life, and obviously we know that believers (even King David) had sinned. But they did not ever think they could sin and still be saved, though. I am talking about abiding in unrepentant sin that leads unto spiritual death. One is not forgiven unless they confess and forsake sin. For Jesus said you will know false prophets by their fruit. You even said before that you would like to think it is possible that a believer could be forgiven even if they did abide in unrepentant serious sins like hate, lust, and lying. This is what others here believe. But God cannot condone a person's evil. If one is actively rebelling against God by sinning, one is not saved while they are rebelling against God unless the LORD knows they are going to confess and forsake their sin (Like King David did). One is not saved if they think they can do both good and evil for the LORD. It doesn't work like that. For Jesus said you cannot serve two masters.
Roman Catholicism is unbiblical because they worship idols and pray to other god like entities besides God like Mary and the other saints. There are many other pagan elements in their worship of God, as well. In fact, I think the RCC is the woman that rides the beast in Revelation. So no. I do not in any way shape or form believe in Catholicism. Nor do I believe in Works Salvationism as they do. I believe God or Christ does the good work in the believer. A believer in and of himself cannot take credit for any work they do. If one is saved, then they have the LORD living within them (Because it is God who is eternal life and salvation). So if God lives in you, then the fruits of the LORD will be evident in your life. But if you bring forth evil fruit all the time (as a daily thing or as a way of your life), instead of good fruit in your life, then you are proving that you have not been truly born again spiritually. One is transformed and changed and new in Christ if they are a true believer (Because God transformed their heart and spirit and now He lives within them causing them to walk in His good ways --- See Ezekiel 36:26-27).
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I just meant, that I hoped the Holy Spirit was convicting you to speak with fellow Believers in kindness, gentleness and with self-control.
I am sorry that you still see me as "pure evil" (and furthermore disappointed that you felt it necessary to remind me). I hope that someday you will be smacked in the face with a brick of clarity and realization; a realization that we are both following the same God.
By the way, this makes no sense: "One is not forgiven unless they confess and forsake sin. For Jesus said you will know false prophets by their fruit." Here's why: "Jesus said you will know false prophets by their fruit" does not support the statement, "One is not forgiven unless they confess and forsake sin." - (Can you clarify?)
There are two problems with what you are saying here.
#1. You do not understand where I am coming from with true Biblical repentance. What this is that a new person who comes to the faith will admit they are a sinner and ask Jesus to forgive them of their sin and they will accept Him as their Savior; This also involves them continuing to walk in the LORD's good ways (whereby they turn from evil). Meaning, they confess and forsake sin. In other words, if one forsakes sin, they do not sin habitually as a way of life every single day. They may stumble, but they will in time cease from their sin in time by the LORD's power (And not by their power). This type of believer does not walk day in and day doing both good and evil. They are working the LORD's righteousness (By allowing His goodness to flow within Him).
#2. True believers are those who promote holiness and they do not make excuses for saying you can abide in unrepentant sin (in the present moment) while you are still saved. An example would be hating your brother with the thinking you could still be saved. Another example would be thinking you could (in the present moment) not forgive someone and still be forgiven by the Father. Also, many times I do seaking in kindness, gentleness, and self control. I do not attack people personally, I also do not appear to yell at anyone or use bad words that are inappropriate, and there have been many times I did not type things I wanted to say. Many times my words that may seem harsh is against those things that are sinful. We are told to abhor that which is evil in the Scriptures. So it is not wrong for me to point out evil. If you believe I have not spoken in gentleness, kindness, or self control somewhere, you are going to have to show which post#'s that this is the case.
I call those who hold to OSAS and or the idea that they can do evil against God in the present moment with the thinking they are saved as being pure evil. Nowhere did I ever say you were "pure evil", unless of course you believe you can do such a thing above.
I don't think we serve the same GOD because you always appear to side with those who are in the OSAS camp (Even though you say you don't believe in OSAS). The god of OSAS is nowhere to be found within the Scriptures. One just needs to read their Bible to understand that it is one of the most evil teachings that man has invented so as to make an excuse for him to sin. But John 3:20 says, everyone who does evil hates the light.
Proverbs 28:13 says he that confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy.
Matthew 6:15 says that if you do not forgive then you will not be forgiven by the Father. This would be a redundant statement if all believers would automatically forgive; And we know no unbeliever will be saved or forgiven if they merely just forgive people. Unbelievers need to accept Jesus in order to be saved.
What is fruit? Fruit is one's deeds. If one's deeds are always evil then it is showing that they are not really confessing AND forsaking their sin. They are still remaining in their sins. Their fruit or their deeds are evil because they are NOT forsaking their sin (and more than likely they are not confessing their sin, either). Those who truly confess their sins honestly will also forsake their sin as a part of confessing their sin. This lines up with 1 John 1:9, 1 John 1:7, 1 John 2:3-4. <------------------ Read these verses very closely.
#1. You do not understand where I am coming from with true Biblical repentance. What this is that a new person who comes to the faith will admit they are a sinner and ask Jesus to forgive them of their sin and they will accept Him as their Savior; This also involves them continuing to walk in the LORD's good ways (whereby they turn from evil). Meaning, they confess and forsake sin. In other words, if one forsakes sin, they do not sin habitually as a way of life every single day. They may stumble, but they will in time cease from their sin in time by the LORD's power (And not by their power). This type of believer does not walk day in and day doing both good and evil. They are working the LORD's righteousness (By allowing His goodness to flow within Him).
#2. True believers are those who promote holiness and they do not make excuses for saying you can abide in unrepentant sin (in the present moment) while you are still saved. An example would be hating your brother with the thinking you could still be saved. Another example would be thinking you could (in the present moment) not forgive someone and still be forgiven by the Father. Also, many times I do seaking in kindness, gentleness, and self control. I do not attack people personally, I also do not appear to yell at anyone or use bad words that are inappropriate, and there have been many times I did not type things I wanted to say. Many times my words that may seem harsh is against those things that are sinful. We are told to abhor that which is evil in the Scriptures. So it is not wrong for me to point out evil. If you believe I have not spoken in gentleness, kindness, or self control somewhere, you are going to have to show which post#'s that this is the case.
I call those who hold to OSAS and or the idea that they can do evil against God in the present moment with the thinking they are saved as being pure evil. Nowhere did I ever say you were "pure evil", unless of course you believe you can do such a thing above.
I don't think we serve the same GOD because you always appear to side with those who are in the OSAS camp (Even though you say you don't believe in OSAS). The god of OSAS is nowhere to be found within the Scriptures. One just needs to read their Bible to understand that it is one of the most evil teachings that man has invented so as to make an excuse for him to sin. But John 3:20 says, everyone who does evil hates the light.
Proverbs 28:13 says he that confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy.
Matthew 6:15 says that if you do not forgive then you will not be forgiven by the Father. This would be a redundant statement if all believers would automatically forgive; And we know no unbeliever will be saved or forgiven if they merely just forgive people. Unbelievers need to accept Jesus in order to be saved.
What is fruit? Fruit is one's deeds. If one's deeds are always evil then it is showing that they are not really confessing AND forsaking their sin. They are still remaining in their sins. Their fruit or their deeds are evil because they are NOT forsaking their sin (and more than likely they are not confessing their sin, either). Those who truly confess their sins honestly will also forsake their sin as a part of confessing their sin. This lines up with 1 John 1:9, 1 John 1:7, 1 John 2:3-4. <------------------ Read these verses very closely.
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Prayer is sacred to you, but not loving others? That doesn't fly. We're required to even love our enemies. But you don't concern yourself with that. You only have one purpose on this site - condemn everyone who doesn't knuckle under to your preaching against OSAS.
No need to reply, just was wondering how you'd justify not responding to your brothers & sisters who come onto this site asking for prayer & encouragement for many urgent & heartbreaking situations. But of course, dragging OSAS people out into an arena of condemnation is more of a public service to you.
Have a great weekend!
No need to reply, just was wondering how you'd justify not responding to your brothers & sisters who come onto this site asking for prayer & encouragement for many urgent & heartbreaking situations. But of course, dragging OSAS people out into an arena of condemnation is more of a public service to you.
Have a great weekend!
Correcting wrong or evil behavior or beliefs is not in conflict with being loving.
Most here are really not my brothers and sisters because they condone a sin and still be saved doctrine. Yes, I have prayed for my enemies many times. But there is no requirement that I am to make such prayer requests via by some public forum.
Most here are really not my brothers and sisters because they condone a sin and still be saved doctrine. Yes, I have prayed for my enemies many times. But there is no requirement that I am to make such prayer requests via by some public forum.
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For example, if someone said they wanted to start a church where you could get drunk off alcohol as a part of the worship service, I have a right by God's Word to say that such a thing is wrong. My pointing out such an evil would not equate with me being unloving unless I showed actual hate towards them.
It's no different than people promoting a sin and still be saved doctrine like OSAS.
It's no different than people promoting a sin and still be saved doctrine like OSAS.