Ignore Button Abuse: Ignorance is NOT BLISS!!!

[ember]

its the same stuff

1. The ignore you, but they do not ignore you
2. The ridicule you while your on ignore (and give yuo no means to respond, because they have you on ignore)
3. They are asked questions, most of the time in an even keeled not threatening way, and they either refuse to answer, sideswipe the issue, change the question, or us a strawman in an attempt to not respond to the question, then yell we are staling if we keep asking the same question (that they refuse to answer)
4. Other people see whats going on, so they ask the same questions, maybe (like you and I were doing in a particular thread) in a different way. The same thing happens to them, it gets to the point, the ignore, one, then the other, then everyone who asks the same unanswered questions. And it gets to the point they scream they are being stalked. Or as later in this thread, someone showed, They start to condemn us, and call us things we are not. in yet more strawmen.

So I understand where you coming from, it gets old. And next thing you know you have divided groups (we called them clicks in church) that have lost all means of communication, because they will argue against the others no MATTER WHAT THEY SAY, even if the other person is right, they will still argue against them..

This goes on far to much in this chat room.

I'm serious when I say I am starting to think that certain groups here have all the makings of a cult and basically should be referred to as 'FRINGE CHRISTIANITY'

excellent post by the way!

 

[just-me]

With great respect, brother, CC has forced me to look in the mirror and examine my heart. There's obviously a difference between righteous indignation and an un-Christian attitude, and regretfully I was sharing the latter much more so. It is my prayer that God purify my heart so I may rebuke false doctrine and bad attitudes with a heart more loving than indignant, but this is indeed a challenge since Pharisees bring out the worst in me.

Ya, they saw Jesus as indignant when they were the ones who really were. They followed Jesus around trying to catch Him in a trap they created. It never worked then, and it won't now. To find out the truth about this situation, notice who is following who. Let the truth be confirmed as to who is attacking who.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm serious when I say I am starting to think that certain groups here have all the makings of a cult and basically should be referred to as 'FRINGE CHRISTIANITY'

excellent post by the way!

They have been called worse. Stick around, They will probably get called many more names. They are a dangerous group.

and thank you..

 

[Utah]

John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

This Scripture is completely out of context with Ben's heart and what he is sharing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ya, they saw Jesus as indignant when they were the ones who really were. They followed Jesus around trying to catch Him in a trap they created. It never worked then, and it won't now. To find out the truth about this situation, notice who is following who. Let the truth be confirmed as to who is attacking who.

says the one who does most of the attacking.

Don't you ever look in a mirror just-me? 90 percent of the things you claim other people do to you, you have done, are doing, and most likely will continue to do.

Here is one thing that people do not do to you. When you ask them questions, they answer. Something that can NOT be said of you or your "clan"

 

[just-us-2]

This Scripture is completely out of context with Ben's heart and what he is sharing.

All I can say to that is - just look back at his and his comrades' attitude when they post. They post lies that if brought into a courtroom would be recognized as such by the evidence. My advice - know exactly what you are talking about and do your research before you post anything. Always remember these words from the Bible (hence God's own words) from Psalm 118:8, "But the point was that since you don't believe the Bible I don't consider you qualified to say anything about it."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All I can say to that is - just look back at his and his comrades' attitude when they post. They post lies that if brought into a courtroom would be recognized as such by the evidence. My advice - know exactly what you are talking about and do your research before you post anything. Always remember these words from the Bible (hence God's own words) from Psalm 118:8, "But the point was that since you don't believe the Bible I don't consider you qualified to say anything about it."

Yep. yours and your husbands is so pure. you have done nothing wrong.

90 percent of the time people ask you both questions in sincere and an honest hart. Your response to them has brought on what people do to you. You do not like to be questioned, Anyone who questions you fells your wrath.

So this little i am mis goody two shoes does not work in here

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This Scripture is completely out of context with Ben's heart and what he is sharing.

They attack, And since they have ben on Ignore. He can't respond. And they wonder why people treat them the way they do.

 

[Utah]

1. They ignore you, but they do not ignore you.
2. They ridicule you while your on ignore (and give you no means to respond, because they have you on ignore)

Where I come from, such people are known as kittens.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I'm serious when I say I am starting to think that certain groups here have all the makings of a cult and basically should be referred to as 'FRINGE CHRISTIANITY'

excellent post by the way!

Not sure, but I think it's the Psalms 119 cult.

 

[atwhatcost]

Hey atwhatcost, yes I notice the aggression. It isn't passive, as you have shared with me in the past. It's blunt. haha

The point you may have skimmed over was that wrongly using the ignore button to silence those who disagree with you so that you may be comfortable in your bubble and continue spreading your doctrine peacefully (that is false) doesn't lead to edification of all parties. It is self-centered and arrogant. It also closes you to learning. As I show you scripture about listening to others you'll see that the use of the ignore button, at least in the way its been described(in the OP), is foolish.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but a wise man listens to advice.

Those who ignore those with opposing view points thinks he is right, but doesn't listen to others advice in regards to redirecting them to scripture that clearly reveals the error of their doctrine. They remain in their bubble and their position is not questionable, they never allow it to be vulnerable so that it may be questioned on its validity. They don't heed advice, but stay firm in their belief by silencing differing ideas (through the ignore button).

Proverbs 18:2 A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.

This one most strongly defines the mindset of the person who abuses the ignore button (in my OP). We cannot reach understanding between one another if someone is on ignore. Edification towards mutual understanding cannot be met if discussion is halted by ignorance (that is forced by using the ignore button).

Those are only two verses, but are sufficient verses to reveal the error of abusing the ignore button. It is foolish to do so. Remember, to abuse it by using it wrongly to not listen to an opposing view point. This isn't about using it properly, but in the wrong way so as to stifle edification and understanding.

I do get that. But what's the difference between doing that without ignoring and ignoring? Whether the person puts someone on Ignore, or simply ignores them, it really doesn't matter. The vast majority of people on this particular forum, (not all, but the vast majority), are here to prove-a-point, not to learn, edify, fellowship, encourage, exhort, or congregate.

It's as if this forum is a harbor, and most folks are out to get others to join their ship.

Seems to me, the ignoring is being done with or without the Ignore feature.

 

[atwhatcost]

To clarify, I am not in opposition to the ignore button. I am opposed to it being abused and used in such a way that goes contrary to edification. This happens when we, the CC community, want to discuss a topic someone brings up but the person puts us, of the contrary position, on ignore to where no discussion of the topic can truly take place in depth. They desire to preach but not be tested, their doctrine is secure so long as it is not vulnerable to questioning.

So there is a place for the ignore button (not that I've ever used it or found reason to, or even know how)such as Angela pointed out but when it is used to silence biblical study of a particular topic just so its one-sided, it can be aggravating. The person calls for unity, for edification but mutes all in opposition and wishes to preach to those already on his side. He preaches to the choir, as it is said. Is it to stroke the ego? Possibly, but to ignore people in such a way I found to be close-minded.

This isn't a thread against the ignore button but a call for proper usage. Realize that there are cons to using it, just as some find pros to it such as quieting those that are constantly being offensive or harassing them. The biggest con of all is that your position may be false and someone offering another perspective might be right, but if you ignore them and don't give them the time of day to present their argument you may be stuck in error indefinitely.

As mentioned before, I know (eventually) who will and who won't listen. If someone doesn't listen, even if I put them on ignore, it certainly doesn't stop me from responding to a post. I talk to others o the post. If the purpose is to bring people away from the god of prove-a-point, that you are ignored by the person promoting the prove-a-point doesn't stop you from guiding others (aka babes in Christ, newcomers who think it sounds good until they know better, old timers who return after an absents and don't know the new Prove-a-Pointer well enough to pick up the under current, etc.) away from the false gospel.

I still don't think it matters, since the person ignoring is ignoring anyone who doesn't agree 100% anyway -- either physically or mentally.

 

[just-us-2]

They attack, And since they have ben on Ignore. He can't respond. And they wonder why people treat them the way they do.

Think again about who starts this junk! If you were to go back and look at each thread and note who is the first to introduce a negative atmosphere you would see it is you and your kind. The talking about others as if they can't see what you write is so foolish as well as sinful -bearing false witness. That makes what you said a lie. Hmmm. I do not wonder why - it isn't everybody who treats us as ungodly as you and your comrades do.
Good bye.

 

[Utah]

I do get that. But what's the difference between doing that without ignoring and ignoring? Whether the person puts someone on Ignore, or simply ignores them, it really doesn't matter. The vast majority of people on this particular forum, (not all, but the vast majority), are here to prove-a-point, not to learn, edify, fellowship, encourage, exhort, or congregate.

It's as if this forum is a harbor, and most folks are out to get others to join their ship.

Seems to me, the ignoring is being done with or without the Ignore feature.

To everyone reading this post, Lynn and I were literally fighting from our very first exchange, and yet now we're buddies who sometimes share, sometimes disagree, yet always affirm our friendship.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Think again about who starts this junk! If you were to go back and look at each thread and note who is the first to introduce a negative atmosphere you would see it is you and your kind. The talking about others as if they can't see what you write is so foolish as well as sinful -bearing false witness. That makes what you said a lie. Hmmm. I do not wonder why - it isn't everybody who treats us as ungodly as you and your comrades do.
Good bye.

News flash. ASKING A QUESTION IS NOT ATTACKING.

Thats your problem, YOUR TO PROUD, AND DO NOT LIKE TO BE QUESTIONED.

You guys get treated like you do because from day one when you first entered here, You continue to do the same stuff.

I have MANY friends I do not completely agree with, yet we are able to have calm, edified discussions, even when we disagree

No one can do this with you two. BECAUSE ANYONE WHO QUESTIONS YOU IS SATAN!

 

[atwhatcost]

There really was no need to name drop. It isn't a matter of "respecting that", its a matter of false doctrine being propagated and not being allowed to be discussed because they don't want to be open and vulnerable to discuss what they hold to be truth. They wish to keep preaching without being scrutinized, or constructively criticized. They don't want to have a bible study, but rather stay discreet with words of illusion hiding their true intent.

How is it this is a bible study forum and its for discussion and yet someone will ignore you so that it can't be discussed and only one side can present itself? How is that respectful?

What's the difference between insinuating someone and out-and-out using the person's name? I had three guesses who you were talking about and I've refused to play the game for a couple of weeks now. (I guessed right.) Is insinuating any better than calling out?

As for "Bible Study?" I've actually asked for a forum for that on the suggestion forum. This isn't that. This is discussion, which is a good thing since this thread isn't a Bible Study, and pushing the boundaries on "Bible Discussion."

Considering the clogging up of the forum with weeks of "Legalism vs. Anti-legalism" fights, got to say, I'm not sad Ignore was used. It was/is about sides and prove-a-points while ignoring the obvious -- Jesus. So we might all win as the sides unclinch and go about their business.

To quote Moat from the movie Avatar, "It is hard to fill a cup already full." Both sides think their cups are full.

Only downside is knowing the next big argument is also going to miss the obvious -- Jesus.

So, okay, you got your rant done.

 

[KennethC]

While I agree the IGNORE function should not be abused to just put people on ignore for difference in opinions when it comes to scriptures.

However it should be used if the person is: Belittling, demeaning, talking down, condemning, bearing false witness, twisting your words without end, and for one reason or another can never have a edifying conversation with the person.

I have 4 people on ignore for doing more then one of the following above in the list, and I even gave a couple of them a couple of chances to have respectful fruitful discussions. It didn't work out so they went back on ignore !!!



Since also this is a thread on the ignore function I have a plea to throw out as well:

If you know you are on ignore please stop responding to the person, for that is unedifying, strife seeking, and plain down right unfruitful !!!

Dust your feet off, get over it, bridle your tongue, and move on.................................................

 

[atwhatcost]

John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

And this is where the other full cup comes along. Here we go again!

Arghhhhhh!!!!

I'm guessing the fighters come back out into the middle of the ring without ever hearing the bell rung long ago.

 

[just-us-2]

Some things are just not worth responding to.

 

[ember]

Some things are just not worth responding to.

but you just did actually


LOL!

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