i'm not christian but i do have some questions

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Blade

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i am an agnostic, basically meaning i don't believe we can know whether there is a god or not, but for the most part i live my life like an atheist. below i will list a few questions i would like answered to better understand where you all are coming from, and feel free to ask me anything too. (this is a repost, i was told it would fit better here)

1) how did you convert to christianity or were you christian since childhood?

2) what is your opinion on the LGBT community?

3) what is your opinion on atheists?

4) have you ever questioned your faith?

5) do you believe media like harry potter or pokemon to be problematic? why or why not?
Convert? He finds you. You feel this pulling in your heart this conviction. Man loves darkness and when that light shines on it.. you come to Him or you stay in that darkness. With Him such freedom and love. Yeshua/Jesus Christ is real. All anyone has to do it simple ask Him. If His so real.. ask and He the only one will show up.

LGBT? Not sure why this one thing is being asked about. Christ died for the sin of the world. I can not come to Him and not repent of all my sins. I can't walk in sin and say I love Christ.

Atheists? Again Christ died for the sin of the world. He came for them because the enemy has just lied to them. He loves them (the lost that know Him not) so much He alone came. No other has ever nor ever will. No one loves them you or me more. Ask Him.

Questioned my faith. Sure...yet I am in His hands and He never lets me go. God,Christ, Sweet Holy Spirit are real. Its not just some choice we make. He is real. Again all anyone has to do is simple ask HIM these questions. The kicker is it HAS to be from your heart. He does not play games.

Harry Potter or the like. Seem to many people have problems sometimes very strange problems in there life until they got rid of that stuff. A simple "I don't believe in that".. lol yeah the enemy loves that yet.. does not stop him. Only that NAME above ever name YESHUA JESUS CHRIST! We are free.. we can read have anything....again all anyone has to do is ask HIM how does HE feel about it? We find we care more sorry more about what we want then what He does.
 
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Well first off, you asked how CHRISTIANS thought. Why did you ask if you weren't going to accept the answer?
doing a lil' something called pressing for further answers, i asked how you knew this, because basing claims on things that can't be confirmed, like a book about a man who walks on water, to me isn't viable. i wanted you to elaborate and maybe see the error of your ways, that stating what people think without taking what they have to say into consideration isn't good, seems a tad cruel to me. i was just having some fun while doing so.

My answer is based on Scripture. I KNOW the Word is Truth:
i know you're lying, you don't actually believe in god, you're just sad. don't believe me? it's in a book my friend wrote

"you lie" -my friend

see? see? see how i can't say that? see how this is a claim propped up by nothing but hearsay? do you see how i can't know that about you or anyone else, and even if to some people this was true, applying it to everyone doesn't work? please, i don't care if you believe in a god or not, it's about your attitude towards people that disagree that i have a problem with.

you can say atheists know god is real, just like how i can say you know he isn't, it's unhelpful, undermines the people you're talking about and in general is just kinda rude.
 

Eli1

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i disagree, if you're talking about my agnosticism, that's mostly just for theism, not everything. if something can be observed and experimented on, it's safe to say it's probably real, but we can't experiment on a god because they're beyond everything that is and the people that meet him don't ever come back. we can't observe a soul and it doesn't interact with anything. these are unfalsifiable, and something that falls under that category is useless.



sure, it's more accurate to say "wow, the serotonin levels when my neurons are made aware of those vibrations in the air coming from that direction are spiking" is less useful and much more unwieldy than just saying "their music's great" that's why layman's terms exist. also exactly what beliefs aren't i living up to by not using scientific wording every time i speak. my view on theism? descriptivism? that i believe unfalsifiable claims can't be assumed true?



we don't believe testimonies are very useful in regards to reality, personal experience is completely seperate. if you say "dude, i saw my friend just fly over that building" we might investigate what happened, usually when the claim is new, because hey maybe personal flight's just been discovered, but taking you on your word with no evidence isn't helpful, maybe you did see your friend fly, but that doesn't mean he actually flew. but using testimony to know how someone is feeling is fine. ignoring testimony in regards to what someone is experiencing is unhelpful, because what else do we have? you have nothing saying they don't experience that, but you do have testimony saying they did. testimony about getting your prayers answered or seeing god in a vision may happen, we (most of us) believe these testimonies to be true, but what they imply to not be true.
The first paragraph is important because if you want to give yourself freedom in labeling unknown things as “stupid” because others believe A or B, it also means that you’re not being honest with yourself because your position allows you to say “I don’t know”. And that’s an honorable position.
‘Because if you or humanity knew that God doesn’t exist, then we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

The second paragraph is important because if you don’t apply the same level of rigorosity on yourself that you require from others than you’re not being honest in your approach. This means that you should have no opinion on personal testimonies.

and the third paragraph which is about testimonies itself, you kinda avoided the question which this applies to YOU. Why should anyone acknowledge you when you say “I’m in pain”?
 
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if scientific literature never changed, then we would still be using leeches to cure bad blood. the fact that science corrects itself instead of assuming everything to be right the first time is a good thing. great people were wrong sometimes, and if we ignore that we wouldn't be doing science.

the scientific method is our least flawed method of finding truth, trying something else would mean sacrificing accuracy and purposefully using a method that is more flawed than what we have now.
Science isn’t really doing science the way it claims it is though. It’s more like they think they have found the objective truth, but they change it when new information becomes available or even sometimes end up debunking their own previously held beliefs. That’s because the scientific method cannot discover objective truths and makes way too many assumptions. Thus the scientific method proves it can find inaccuracies versus the objective truth that is impossible to recognize unless someone already knows it.

Christianity doesn’t suffer from that problem. As far as God and spirituality goes, we definitely have it all figured out.


if i were asked by aliens to go to their lab so they could study me, i'd be happy to oblige, atleast the first time. we only need to prove his existence once unless it comes into question again, like if the methods we used are found to be significantly flawed and we can't replicate our findings anymore.



if the bible stories happened again now, we would be able to study them and confirm their legitimacy and use our findings to further research in many fields. a guy lived for 3 days in a fish and was unharmed. if that happened now, we would need to test the acidity of the fish's stomach acid, jaw strength and tooth sharpness, compare that to the safety of what the survivor was wearing, and our findings may just be that we found a large fish that can't eat properly.
My point is I don’t think the scientific method can place God under a microscope and find Him like that. The scientific method is useless for that purpose at least in the traditional sense of how a supreme Creator God is understood.

However, do you see that more and more scientifically-minded people are actually believing the perspective that we are living in a simulation? They’re getting close to figuring it out, just from a non-spiritual perspective. They are effectively admitting that we and the universe were intelligently designed. Intelligent design is something Christianity has known since the beginning.
 
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The first paragraph is important because if you want to give yourself freedom in labeling unknown things as “stupid” because others believe A or B, it also means that you’re not being honest with yourself because your position allows you to say “I don’t know”. And that’s an honorable position.
‘Because if you or humanity knew that God doesn’t exist, then we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
i don't know how the universe was created but i believe it to not be designed. i don't think people are stupid for believing in a god, if i was raised christian i would probably be on the other side of these questions. i understand how people can believe these things and i don't think it's their fault because they're ignorant or something. i just can't believe something with no substantial evidence and i don't think anyone should.

The second paragraph is important because if you don’t apply the same level of rigorosity on yourself that you require from others than you’re not being honest in your approach. This means that you should have no opinion on personal testimonies.
i said i was a descriptivist, as long as people understand what you're saying no rules should be worth that much trouble. i don't use capitalization because it makes me seem more casual, but a prescriptivist would say that i need to use capitals because that's how the english language is intended. i don't see where you're coming from on this one.

and the third paragraph which is about testimonies itself, you kinda avoided the question which this applies to YOU. Why should anyone acknowledge you when you say “I’m in pain”?
because acknowledging me when i'm in pain makes me more loyal, and able to perform work, which is needed for me to be able to contribute to society. not caring when i say i'm in pain makes me like you as a person less, therefore less likely to do what you want, it leads to mental or physical pain, which can get strong enough to prevent me from doing anything. even if i'm lying, which i have no reason to, it's still going to make me feel more loved, which can make me more willing to work. this won't apply to everyone but i'm sure the majority would agree that getting attention when it is needed is important.
 

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doing a lil' something called pressing for further answers, i asked how you knew this, because basing claims on things that can't be confirmed, like a book about a man who walks on water, to me isn't viable. i wanted you to elaborate and maybe see the error of your ways, that stating what people think without taking what they have to say into consideration isn't good, seems a tad cruel to me. i was just having some fun while doing so.


i know you're lying, you don't actually believe in god, you're just sad. don't believe me? it's in a book my friend wrote

"you lie" -my friend

see? see? see how i can't say that? see how this is a claim propped up by nothing but hearsay? do you see how i can't know that about you or anyone else, and even if to some people this was true, applying it to everyone doesn't work? please, i don't care if you believe in a god or not, it's about your attitude towards people that disagree that i have a problem with.

you can say atheists know god is real, just like how i can say you know he isn't, it's unhelpful, undermines the people you're talking about and in general is just kinda rude.
Unfortunately, the post above is all I needed to determine that you are here to promote your unbelief rather than look for answers.
 

CS1

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i was commenting on god's sexual preference as a joke...

do you see how this quote is implying that the only sexual preference that matters is gods, therefore implying that god has a sexual preference. i just thought it was funny!

Then you're not serious. You are a scoffer, which is ok because it was seen in your first post as I suggested your real intent of the questions you asked..

Thank you. Have a nice day.
 

Eli1

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i don't know how the universe was created but i believe it to not be designed. i don't think people are stupid for believing in a god, if i was raised christian i would probably be on the other side of these questions. i understand how people can believe these things and i don't think it's their fault because they're ignorant or something. i just can't believe something with no substantial evidence and i don't think anyone should.



i said i was a descriptivist, as long as people understand what you're saying no rules should be worth that much trouble. i don't use capitalization because it makes me seem more casual, but a prescriptivist would say that i need to use capitals because that's how the english language is intended. i don't see where you're coming from on this one.



because acknowledging me when i'm in pain makes me more loyal, and able to perform work, which is needed for me to be able to contribute to society. not caring when i say i'm in pain makes me like you as a person less, therefore less likely to do what you want, it leads to mental or physical pain, which can get strong enough to prevent me from doing anything. even if i'm lying, which i have no reason to, it's still going to make me feel more loved, which can make me more willing to work. this won't apply to everyone but i'm sure the majority would agree that getting attention when it is needed is important.
This is pretty good. You mentioned the word believe there on your first paragraph. A key tenet of Christianity is Faith despite evidence. Not all things are revealed to us. Also science is us asking HOW things work but most of the time it doesn’t tell us the Why. That’s where Faith comes in again.
‘Evidence is also a great word that you used because if we had Evidence Why the Universe exists and Why we are here, then we would follow that evidence. But the truth is that nobody knows the Why with supporting materialistic evidence so we can see, touch and reason.

The reason we are discussing the second paragraph is because you said that 500 people who saw Jesus raised from the dead are somehow stupid. So this is where being precise and honest in our approach would yield us some truth.

This is also linked to the third question again which I don’t think you’re understanding. This is why I used the word “Acknowledge”.
This has nothing to do with your sense of worth or by going to the doctor so he can verify the pain. This has to do with acknowledgment. Why should anyone acknowledge you at all when you say “I’m in pain” if personal testimonies are to be discarded?
 

CS1

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"First, I want to say I believe you already know the answers to the questions you are asking or already have a position most likely firm in."

1. I did not convert to Christianity; I am in a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ as I was formally introduced in 1981 when I repented of my sins and saw I needed God s forgiveness for the sins and have done in my life at that time. My eyes were open to the reality of the Lord Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit by the preaching of the gospel of the Lord Jesu Christ.

2. I have no opinion, nor would it matter of the LGBTQ sexual preferences. The only one that matters is God's.

3. I have no opinion of atheists other than it is a belief system of faith in nothing that causes everything we see.
4. yes, but I find more than enough in the word of God prayer, and creation to confirm what I beleive.
5. I believe harry potter and anything you take out of the context of just entertainment is an issue that speaks to the power behind or unseen.
I want to say I told you so, LOL.
 

Pilgrimshope

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i am an agnostic, basically meaning i don't believe we can know whether there is a god or not, but for the most part i live my life like an atheist. below i will list a few questions i would like answered to better understand where you all are coming from, and feel free to ask me anything too. (this is a repost, i was told it would fit better here)

1) how did you convert to christianity or were you christian since childhood?

2) what is your opinion on the LGBT community?

3) what is your opinion on atheists?

4) have you ever questioned your faith?

5) do you believe media like harry potter or pokemon to be problematic? why or why not?
1) how did you convert to christianity or were you christian since childhood?

I can’t remember ever not believing so I must have been born a believer I can’t say for sure though as far as I know I e just taken it as truth always ( but I was raised a long long time ago , in a world seemingly far far away when they still taught the Bible in school

2) what is your opinion on the LGBT community?

the same as everyone else in the human community if a person lies they need to stop lying and speak truth , if a person steals , they need to stop stealing and learn to share with others thier own possessions

if a person sins in whatever way we’re sinning and all of us do have sin issues we have to stop sinning and start walking after what God taught us in the gospel.

we are all sinners a practicing “homosexual” and an adulterer (a man that cheats on his wife ) are no different they’ve both sinned in Gods eyes , so has a liar , a thief , someone who is proud and arrogant , someone who worked once on a Sunday or Saturday or whatever day you consider a sabbath to be

all sin is sin I look at everyone no matter thier sins

3) what is your opinion on atheists?

I’m sad for them

4) have you ever questioned your faith?

what do you mean by my faith ?

My belief tbat God exists ? Never I sort of addressed this in the first answer I can’t remember not believing

5) do you believe media like harry potter or pokemon to be problematic? why or why not?

I think things like pornography , satanic themes and music slandering God and glorifying Satan is all problematic fantasy stories that aren’t slandering God and glorifying g Satan I don’t have any issue with just part of the secular world we live in , entertainment is big to humans I do t have much issue with it unless like I was saying pornography has a real impact o. Peoples mknds and hearts and also behavior if they watch it a lot I’ve seen many examples

or satanic music repetitive hearing and repeating lyrics I believe myself has an impact just as hearing the gospel and sharing it with others has an impact the other direction

I believe a lot of the evil in the world today thkngs like child molestation for instance and also adult sexual abuse isn’t caused by things like porn but I do believe if someone has a perversion sexual or otherwise , in them it will be exasperated from things like pornography or satanic music and entertainment ,

some evil things in this world will give the wrong type of people the wrong ideas of what to do even terrible thkngs like Ted Bundy . I remember reading years ago when It was happening and they first caught him he said when he was young he was addicted to porn , and as he got older he needed more extreme versions of porn violent type stuff , as he watched it his hunger for the things he was seeing was growing like a thirst developing

he went on to become one of the worst and most notorious serial killers and sexual sadists in American history

again I don’t think watching porn caused it , but I believe evil people are fed by thkngs like that and they can grow into worse monsters that do worse evil in part because of it , I think it’s just a factor or many that affects humans

if you want to make a decision about being a Christian the thing to do is study Jesus and what he said about God , about the world and the people in it both believers and non believers

Jesus teaches what Christianity is all about in a short summary “ treat other people , all People even those who don’t deserve it , treat them well , respectfully , help them if they have a need ( if your in a position and able to help )

don’t judge other people for thier sins

is one you may want to check out we’re not supposed to look at a sinner because we perceive a sin and the. Go into judgement and condemnation mode we’re supposed to love others d not judge them not condemn them , help them , try to restore them ect

Jesus teaches that ultimately our judgement is going to rely on how we treat other people and how we treat others that may offend us or do something against us

I’ve always found in speaking with agnostics even if they don’t believe in Jesus when they start hearing what he taught his followers to believe and do , they always agree with alot of what Jesus taught and always say thkngs like “ yes I agree the principles of his doctrine is all good and right and upright thinking “ I just don’t believe in God


maybe some can’t believe no matter what they hear ? Or maybe some refuse to believe what we know in us somewhere is true ? Hard to say really
 

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doing a lil' something called pressing for further answers, i asked how you knew this, because basing claims on things that can't be confirmed, like a book about a man who walks on water, to me isn't viable. i wanted you to elaborate and maybe see the error of your ways, that stating what people think without taking what they have to say into consideration isn't good, seems a tad cruel to me. i was just having some fun while doing so.


i know you're lying, you don't actually believe in god, you're just sad. don't believe me? it's in a book my friend wrote

"you lie" -my friend

see? see? see how i can't say that? see how this is a claim propped up by nothing but hearsay? do you see how i can't know that about you or anyone else, and even if to some people this was true, applying it to everyone doesn't work? please, i don't care if you believe in a god or not, it's about your attitude towards people that disagree that i have a problem with.

you can say atheists know god is real, just like how i can say you know he isn't, it's unhelpful, undermines the people you're talking about and in general is just kinda rude.
Terribly sad, at least for now, you have rejected The Gospel. I pray the Holy Spirit will do a work in you so you do not remain a "natural man", that is only capable of following his base instincts.

1 Corinthians 2:14

New King James Version

14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 

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Thank you for opening up your heart and asking about your personal interests in Christ's people.
I'm going to give super short answers to each.

i am an agnostic, basically meaning i don't believe we can know whether there is a god or not, but for the most part i live my life like an atheist. below i will list a few questions i would like answered to better understand where you all are coming from, and feel free to ask me anything too. (this is a repost, i was told it would fit better here)

1) how did you convert to christianity or were you christian since childhood?

2) what is your opinion on the LGBT community?

3) what is your opinion on atheists?

4) have you ever questioned your faith?

5) do you believe media like harry potter or pokemon to be problematic? why or why not?
1) how did you convert to christianity or were you christian since childhood?
I met people who possessed a unique unconditional love for me, and they introduced me to their Savior (Jesus) and shared how He had blessed them through the good and bad seasons of life. After a few years, I made a genuine endeavor to open my heart to this Jesus, to see if He really is who He says He is in the Bible. I found out that He is the real deal! And He loves me exactly the way Im...so much that He will not leave me where I am, but strengthens me to improve and grow in a meaningful and healthy lifestyle.

2) what is your opinion on the LGBT community?
I say this with a deep compassion...
...Generally speaking, the LGBT community is persuing a counterfeit love.

They say and pretend they are happy, but they are not. God designed men and women to harmonize and compliment one another, like ingredients in a meal. To illustrate, when people follow the recipe correctly, the dish comes out satisfying and healthy.

3) what is your opinion on atheists?
I say this with a deep concern...
...Atheists attempt to maintain a worldview that contradicts the way they live. Morally, philosophically, and logically...God is the only sufficient (and necessary) conclusion of the integration of all categories of knowledge. History, archeology, mathematics, philosophy, science, morality, physics, etc all point toward a conscious, personal, moral first-cause of all things. Ironically, "[God] has not been tried and found wanting; He has been found difficult and left untried." -G. K. Chesterton

4) have you ever questioned your faith?
I did until I genuinely opened myself to let God have his way with me. Do I ever currently doubt my own success in pleasing God...sometimes. But that is the result of a wrong focus. I ought to focus on Christ's sufficiency and ability to preserve me to the end. I am not able in my strength. Thank God He is the One responsible for keeping my salvation secure.

5) do you believe media like harry potter or pokemon to be problematic? why or why not?
Depends on what you mean by problematic. Harry Potter is my favorite movie series. But like any other entertainment, I do not watch for mere enjoyment. I watch to learn. I learn about other perspectives, life lessons, mistakes, symbolism, moral fiber, and so much more from movies. In Harry Potter specifically, I have identified some 30 Biblical parallels. Do I condone witchcraft? Absolutely not! Can I better understand spiritual truth from a fictional movie? Yes. It is not God's will that we avoid the world, but rather that we remain "unstained by the world" (James 1:27).
 

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There are more than a few lists of sins in the scriptures.

Mark 7:21-23
For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”
2 Timothy 3:1-5
But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Notice they all have the same outcome, they dont inherit the Kingdom of God.

It doesnt matter what inclinations we have.
Amen another witness

“For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:10-13‬ ‭

“…Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned:

forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.

For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:35-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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no, i am genuinely curious about how actual christians think about these things, since i've never had the chance to ask christians in real life, and in the media i watch christians are often represented as not great at arguing that don't really have any strong arguments for their claims. i am aware these are cherry picked examples to make a more interesting video, so i wanted to know how the average christian thinks about this stuff. i asked how you came to be christian to get a feel for how those who were raised in this religion compare to those who converted, likewise for me asking on questioning your faith. the other 3 questions are just things i felt were represented as not great, so i wanted to ask instead of assuming things.
It is not a matter of how a Christian thinks, much less the scope of your questions that have nothing to do with Christianity. Some of the posters will give you their opinions depending on where they are at, but to know whether Christianity is valid or not, you should've asked about its founder, who He is, what He came to do, what was His purpose for raising a people that would follow Him regardless of what happens in life. It is a total commitment to the God who created all things because He totally committed Himself to His creation.

John 3:8 (LSB) "The wind blows where it wishes and you hear its sound, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who has been born of the Spirit.”

Christianity has many ramifications where most of them are false, therefore the noun "Christian" has been so distorted and maligned by those who CLAIM to be Christians, that to ask Christians about Christianity is like seeking for a needle in the middle of a bundle of hay. I'm going to make a new thread with the questions you should have asked. 😊
 

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Like I said to our now exposed atheist troll, some atheists are idiots. He proved my point.
 
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the miracles jesus performed could have been anything from mass hysteria to lies to just people misremembering or mistranslating what actually happened. and prophecies, if you make a prediction and that prediction turns out false, no one will remember it and it will be forgotten, but if by pure luck it actually happens people will remember it, that's survivorship bias.
Thank you for the reply but

You speak as if no one has EVER challenged the Bible and it's writings? DON'T you think IF it could be discredited IT WOULD BE? Don't you think atheists would be jumping all over it? The PROBLEM is when ever one does, they are CONVERTED because of the PERFECTION. It is impossible for all those different men over all those different times to write without conflict.

I remember when computers first started to become common how we HEARD again and again how IT WAS finally going to do what man had not been able to do and that was prove it false. STILL WAITING. Never hear them mention it anymore. Not that there aren't those who are still trying to cause doubt but don't do a very good job.

Go talk with a mathematician about it, the math tells a story of it's own.

And you have to REMEMBER, IT WAS ALL WRITTEN. And what was written did come to pass, Exactly as written. NOTHING GOT LOST. No one forgot anything. You need to go check out the rules and regulations the SCRIBES HAD when copying it. This was the least casual event that ever took place on the planet.

Go look it up, right here, online. Go look it up in the Bible yourself. You want to know how many years ago Jesus was BORN? Look at the date, HE CHANGED THE CALENDAR.

But here is the real PROBLEM that you find yourself in the middle of. Faith comes by hearing the words of God. THAT is how people are DRAWN to Him. Those who NEVER hear of HIM or never have access to HIS WORDS are in pretty good shape as their sins are of ignorance, trespasses. They didn't HEAR and then REJECT, they never knew.

YOU on the other hand HAVE heard some of GODS truth, Where do you think that places you? You do have access. His words have been calling you or you wouldn't be here. It's not like you can go back, you are at a cross road. But remember,
GOD KNOWS He wrote it in your heart and NOW He even knows you know it. Say what you want to us, we are not the issue anymore...

What is one to do? Everything you have read, you're accountable for...what a weird feeling that must be. Someone else will have to help you there, I have never faltered in my belief.

Did you know it is 'THE DEAD' who stand in Judgment at the GWTJ? The spiritually dead? Probably shouldn't say any more, just in case.

Again, Thank you for the reply. We'll be seeing you
 
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Like I said to our now exposed atheist troll, some atheists are idiots. He proved my point.
Maybe there would be less if WE practiced what we preached. It certainly would be less fun for them.


2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

2 Timothy 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

2 Timothy 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.


Probably blew it here though.
 

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Maybe there would be less if WE practiced what we preached. It certainly would be less fun for them.


2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

2 Timothy 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

2 Timothy 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.


Probably blew it here though.
I was open and honest without provocation in my reply to him. He didn’t come here seeking to learn about the Lord; he came here to wave a pompous middle finger at those of us who believe in Jesus Christ.
 

Lafftur

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i am an agnostic, basically meaning i don't believe we can know whether there is a god or not, but for the most part i live my life like an atheist. below i will list a few questions i would like answered to better understand where you all are coming from, and feel free to ask me anything too. (this is a repost, i was told it would fit better here)

1) how did you convert to christianity or were you christian since childhood?

2) what is your opinion on the LGBT community?

3) what is your opinion on atheists?

4) have you ever questioned your faith?

5) do you believe media like harry potter or pokemon to be problematic? why or why not?
This sounds like a political poll….:unsure:

Tell us if you wonder what happens when you die…. Is life on Earth all for NOTHING or did your life on Earth actually MATTER….:unsure::love:
 

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This is how we survive life on Earth… surviving is ONLY possible with God…
The Word of God and the Holy Spirit..