Fair enough, wisdom is personified and by wisdom and understanding, everything was created:
Prov 3:
19The LORD founded the earth by wisdom
and established the heavens by understanding.
But Jesus grew in wisdom:
Luke 2:52And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.
So Jesus is much created just like you are created but He is also un created; something that is hard to understand. When we say created, we mean all created things (more precisely, visible things or material things). In this case, Jesus was created some 2000 years ago.
Q. Are a created being? when were you created?
But when we talk of un-created things (mainly the spirit), it has been forever with God as part of God. In this manner, Jesus is un created and also we were together with God as part of Him.
@Waggles; Wisdom rejoiced in the sons of men before the foundation of the world. Whatever you are quoting is a misinterpretation.
Job 32:
7I thought that age should speak,
and many years should teach wisdom.
8But there is a spiritb in a man,
the breath of the Almighty,
that gives him understanding.
1.The breath of God which is in a man is never created, it is the wisdom that created the universe within man.
2. Wisdom and understanding do not hold a hammer and hit the anvil, they only reside in a mind and the results of their action are thoughts. So the whole universe is a thought for it was founded by wisdom. The mind and its thought process process are given to sons of men.
Prov 3:
19The LORD founded the earth by wisdom
and established the heavens by understanding.
But Jesus grew in wisdom:
Luke 2:52And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.
So Jesus is much created just like you are created but He is also un created; something that is hard to understand. When we say created, we mean all created things (more precisely, visible things or material things). In this case, Jesus was created some 2000 years ago.
Q. Are a created being? when were you created?
But when we talk of un-created things (mainly the spirit), it has been forever with God as part of God. In this manner, Jesus is un created and also we were together with God as part of Him.
@Waggles; Wisdom rejoiced in the sons of men before the foundation of the world. Whatever you are quoting is a misinterpretation.
Job 32:
7I thought that age should speak,
and many years should teach wisdom.
8But there is a spiritb in a man,
the breath of the Almighty,
that gives him understanding.
1.The breath of God which is in a man is never created, it is the wisdom that created the universe within man.
2. Wisdom and understanding do not hold a hammer and hit the anvil, they only reside in a mind and the results of their action are thoughts. So the whole universe is a thought for it was founded by wisdom. The mind and its thought process process are given to sons of men.
Who's the "we" in your statement noose? And why are you trying so hard to say things that are contradictory to what the Bible says and teaches? How is Jesus created and uncreated at the same time?
You must be a jw from the way you are explaining things. You said, "When we say created, we mean all created things (more PRECISELY, VISIBLE THINGS OR MATERAL THINGS). Really! Here is what Colossians 1:16 clearly teaches without one shred of ambiguity. "For by Him/Jesus Christ all things were created, in the heavens and on earth, (Now watch this noose) VISIBILE AND INVISBLE, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities---ALL THINGS have been created by Him and for Him."
Now, if one reads the jw bible, the "new world translation" why did they add the word "other" in the verse noose? "because by means of Him all "OTHER" things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things "VISIBLE" AND THINGS INVISIBLE."
So, by all means please explain what these "OTHER" things are that are not included that are visible and invisible? Like waggles said, what other world or planet are you from, Pluto?
And PS: You still did not address the other issues I brought up in my opening post, why?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto