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maxwel

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I haven’t read anywhere that continuous in its physics sense doesn’t mean endless.

con·tin·u·ous
/kənˈtinyo͞oəs/
adjective
1.
forming an unbroken whole; without interruption.
"the whole performance is enacted in one continuous movement"
synonyms: continual, uninterrupted, unbroken, constant, ceaseless, incessant, steady, sustained, solid, continuing, ongoing, unceasing, without a break, permanent, nonstop, round-the-clock, always-on, persistent, unremitting, relentless, unrelenting, unabating, unrelieved, without respite, endless, unending, never-ending, perpetual, without end, everlasting, eternal, interminable.

A plank can be divided from wood to open space on each end.

Language:

People in different fields can use specific words in any way they choose.
This is a common feature of language.

This isn't a debate issue, it's just how language is used.
Scientists can use a word however they choose, and that is that.
It has nothing to do with you or me.

In philosophy I might say you made a "formal error",
and that doesn't mean you wore brown shoes with your tuxedo.
I would be using the word "formal" in a specific way, in a specific field, in a way it's not normally used.
Words are used in very specific, and sometimes unusual ways, in different fields.

This is why I said we were having a problem with terms.
My apology if I explained things poorly.


Continuous:
I specifically brought up the word "continuous" to reply to posthuman.
I was using it in a particular sense, after posthuman used the the phrase "discreet time".
He was specifically referring to an issue of "discreet time" verses "continuous time."
That is the issue he raised by using the word discreet.
So I was using the appropriate term, "continuous", to discuss the issue he raised.

God Bless.

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maxwel

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And you'll just have to apply some grace to my rambling, spelling errors, and grammar errors...
I never get enough sleep.
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Language:

People in different fields can use specific words in any way they choose.
This is a common feature of language.

This isn't a debate issue, it's just how language is used.
Scientists can use a word however they choose, and that is that.
It has nothing to do with you or me.

In philosophy I might say you made a "formal error",
and that doesn't mean you wore brown shoes with your tuxedo.
I would be using the word "formal" in a specific way, in a specific field, in a way it's not normally used.
Words are used in very specific, and sometimes unusual ways, in different fields.

This is why I said we were having a problem with terms.
My apology if I explained things poorly.


Continuous:
I specifically brought up the word "continuous" to reply to posthuman.
I was using it in a particular sense, after posthuman used the the phrase "discreet time".
He was specifically referring to an issue of "discreet time" verses "continuous time."
That is the issue he raised by using the word discreet.
So I was using the appropriate term, "continuous", to discuss the issue he raised.

God Bless.

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It’s all good bro, maybe we all are a little careful with terms and language, yet it doesn’t come out the we want it to or it may take a while for others to let it sink in. :)
 

theanointedwinner

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In split second, God can turn your world upside down

In split second, you could be in a spiritual realm and you'd be unable to distinguish between dream or reality

God can teleport you anywhere instantly

However this twinkling of an eye works
 

theanointedwinner

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God is so praiseworthy, we often take his praiseworthy ness for granted

We even take convenience for granted
 

posthuman

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Language:

People in different fields can use specific words in any way they choose.
This is a common feature of language.

This isn't a debate issue, it's just how language is used.
Scientists can use a word however they choose, and that is that.
It has nothing to do with you or me.

In philosophy I might say you made a "formal error",
and that doesn't mean you wore brown shoes with your tuxedo.
I would be using the word "formal" in a specific way, in a specific field, in a way it's not normally used.
Words are used in very specific, and sometimes unusual ways, in different fields.

This is why I said we were having a problem with terms.
My apology if I explained things poorly.


Continuous:
I specifically brought up the word "continuous" to reply to posthuman.
I was using it in a particular sense, after posthuman used the the phrase "discreet time".
He was specifically referring to an issue of "discreet time" verses "continuous time."
That is the issue he raised by using the word discreet.
So I was using the appropriate term, "continuous", to discuss the issue he raised.

God Bless.

.
In a mathematical sense something is continuous if it can be infinitely divided - that is, if you keep looking at smaller and smaller parts of it, you never reach a point where you have found the absolute smallest piece. Discrete is the opposite; there's a 'smallest' unit.

The easiest examples in a mathematical sense is the real numbers, which are all numbers including decimals, being continuous, and the natural numbers, which are the numbers 1, 2, 3 etc with no decimal part or fraction. These are discrete. In the real numbers there is no smallest part - you can always move the decimal over, always cut any number in half. With the natural numbers there is a 'unit part' - nothing is smaller than 1.

Jesus made mentions the 'least of these' with reference to believers and also with reference to the law - from that, because a least exists, it makes sense to me that us sheep are discrete and that the law of the covenant is discrete. But what is God? Is there such a thing as a smallest unit, like an atom, of God? Can He be divided at all lol.

Current understanding of the universe is that physical matter is discrete - it comes in packets ((quanta which n Latin, from which we get 'quantum theory')). We used to think stuff was made of atoms, that these are the smallest possible 'things' that everything is made of. Then it was electrons and protons. Then it was quarks. These days it's maybe something called strings. We don't really know.
I asked about time - is time discrete? Does it have a smallest unit? Is there some level, say, a billionth of a second, where anything less, like a 2 billionth of a second does not exist?
I dont think we know.

What about grace? Does grace come in packets or can you have any possible portion of it? Or faith? Can one count faith by some kind of faith unit, where there is no such thing as an half faith unit?

Probably meaningless questions.
 

maxwel

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In a mathematical sense something is continuous if it can be infinitely divided - that is, if you keep looking at smaller and smaller parts of it, you never reach a point where you have found the absolute smallest piece. Discrete is the opposite; there's a 'smallest' unit.

The easiest examples in a mathematical sense is the real numbers, which are all numbers including decimals, being continuous, and the natural numbers, which are the numbers 1, 2, 3 etc with no decimal part or fraction. These are discrete. In the real numbers there is no smallest part - you can always move the decimal over, always cut any number in half. With the natural numbers there is a 'unit part' - nothing is smaller than 1.

Jesus made mentions the 'least of these' with reference to believers and also with reference to the law - from that, because a least exists, it makes sense to me that us sheep are discrete and that the law of the covenant is discrete. But what is God? Is there such a thing as a smallest unit, like an atom, of God? Can He be divided at all lol.

Current understanding of the universe is that physical matter is discrete - it comes in packets ((quanta which n Latin, from which we get 'quantum theory')). We used to think stuff was made of atoms, that these are the smallest possible 'things' that everything is made of. Then it was electrons and protons. Then it was quarks. These days it's maybe something called strings. We don't really know.
I asked about time - is time discrete? Does it have a smallest unit? Is there some level, say, a billionth of a second, where anything less, like a 2 billionth of a second does not exist?
I dont think we know.

What about grace? Does grace come in packets or can you have any possible portion of it? Or faith? Can one count faith by some kind of faith unit, where there is no such thing as an half faith unit?

Probably meaningless questions.
I think you've actually raised many different questions across different categories.
And things in different categories cannot be "measured" against each other.
We need to think of different categories in different ways, which is both appropriate and logical.

It is generally understood, in theology, that God is not comprised of parts.
I think we can easily make some logical proofs for this.
In fact, if we were doing apologetics work with an atheist, we would NEED to show proofs for this, because if God were shown to be made of parts, that would undermine many of the various attributes which actually make him divine.
In essence, if God were made of parts, that would create a logical "snowball" effect that would eventually divest him of all divinity.
God cannot be made of parts and still be God... it is very much an either/or proposition.

Regarding grace, we're again dealing with a different category, something completely different from that found in the physical realm.
I can't see there is any reason to even discuss grace in terms of "quantity."
I can't see that's relevant to anything at all.
But if it is, we'd have to start with the fact it is in a different category, and therefore there is no reason for mathematical measurements to apply.

Mathematics were devised, either by man or by God, to represent and quantify elements in the physical universe.
Even in purely theoretical math, it still has the underlying purpose of engaging with the physical universe, in some way.
If we weren't talking about the physical universe, we wouldn't be talking about math - if there were no space or time, there would be nothing to measure, and no physics or cosmology to be concerned with.
When we move beyond the physical universe, math becomes both impotent and irrelevant... it simply has nothing to do with anything beyond the physical.

We cannot take a system for measuring the physical, and use it to measure the metaphysical.

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maxwel

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continued...

We can say God is 3 in 1.
Before the creation of the physical universe, that is probably the only thing we can apply mathematics to.

And theologically, before creation, we could even debate if "3 in 1" actually exists in those terms.

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theanointedwinner

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Satan can't lie his way to happiness in hell

a place where they fall and sink endlessly into the sharpest possible pain in the realm of all realities
 

Lanolin

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I am going to sleep, sorry.
I will count the sheep. 1,2,3,4,5,6....

God knows every hair on our head.
He knows when we get up and when we lie down
We cant get away from Him.

Dishonest scales are an abomination the the Lord, a just weight is his delight.

Hell is a black hole.

I agree, we can measure the physical but we cannot measure the metaphysical. Because God is spirit. He is perfectly perfect, completely complete. He is holy, so how He is the standard by which everything is made.

The good thing is though, Jesus came to us in the flesh so we could see the Father through Him. Because of Jesus we can know what being holy is like. God kinda squashed himself down to human scale.

So we are not left wondering how to get to God. JEsus christ has come in the flesh. He had hands and feet and bled just like us.
 

theanointedwinner

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What if, an hour worth of worship can be condensed into a minute?

What if this applies self-recursively

How will the greatest commandment be obeyed?

We fall far too short! (Romans 3:23)
 
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Was just thinking.....

Hell opens her mouth without measure <---always room for one more!!
 

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Wow, you have a good memory. I have not told that story for a long time.

There was no TIME TO THINK TO OBEY that booming Voice, if you are talking about picking up that hitchhiker, if that is the incident you are talking about. If so, He Knew HE would have to YELL AT ME, to get me to obey, before the beginning of time. From 65 mph to a dead stop, with all four wheels screaming all the way to that stop. Just so you know, I did not back up. I sat there Shaking until the hitchhiker ran all the way up to the Car, opened my right hand car door, and asked me if I was stopping to give him a ride. That is why I said, "You get in this car, because GOD just told me to Pick You UP!" I picked him up at Elko, NV. I let him out at Laramie, WY, because he was insistent that he wanted to go to Denver, and then to Mo. I led him to the LORD, I prayed with him, and HE was so impressed with the Dr. John MacArthur Tapes, that we listened to, that I gave him several that I had with me.

So yes, every GOOD DECISION, was one that HE KNEW ABOUT before time began. He knew about the bad decisions too, But, those are mine, and I have repented of everyone I can remember.


Galatians 2:20 (HCSB)
20 and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.


That verse is VERY, VERY REAL TO ME.
The ultimate trust that leads to and testify of ultimate obedience!

Ultimate!
 

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