In the beginning something virtual happened

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pittsburghjoe

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We have to live in satan's perception because of Adam and Eve. The carnal mind is using the same perception. Believers can perceive the spiritual. This corrupted place is temporary.
 

pittsburghjoe

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There wouldn't be free will if the saved disappeared after opening the door. Everyone would know.
 

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So, there are two ways of seeing the world: from Satan's perspective (worldly way) and from God's perspective (with a repented, actually renewed mind - outwardly). 'Metanoia' means to aquire God's way of thinking and seeing.

Saint Paul said something about receiving or waiting for the thought of God (in order to know the will of God and fulfill it). He also said that he and the apostles made themselves view, making themselves the garbage of the world (both for people and angels). So yes, the world sees a bunch of crazy men, while God and those within the Church understand what they are actually doing: defeating the world (Satan) through their own crosses (allow themselves to be mocked, despised and even killed in the name of Jesus Christ)

I have a lot of things to say about this topic but I will open a new one and quote your two posts which absolutely amazed me, for they are so much in agreement with the Bible and the Church One.
 

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I'm sure you had some other things in mind but I just like how your scientific approach agrees (without you wishing for it) with what's been on my mind the last two years: the Christian icon (the symbolic expression of the kingdom of God).
 

pittsburghjoe

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I didn't know about "Metanoia", I need to look into that, thanks. Someone on a different sight mentioned

"God-conscious"

via Karl Broberg

Conscience is related.
 

pittsburghjoe

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Our eyes were opened to evil in the Garden, we need to close our eyes to that perception and reopen them to the spiritual.
 

pittsburghjoe

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Dead carnal spirit: a perception that includes good and evil (from the Tree of Knowledge), but is destined to become separated/forsaken from God.
 

pittsburghjoe

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Day one, morning and evening; day two, morning and evening.
I think the whole creation week was virtual. I then think something dramatic happened with satan being cast out of Heaven. ..And then Adam and Eve signed onto satan's point of view while they were in a safe-zone garden.
 
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I think science has actually debunked the plausibility of the hypothesis that we're in a simulation.

People would have to be able to reproduce what you're proposing to prove it's even possible. They can't reproduce it because it isn't possible using any known tests or technology.

Creation, with how beautifully complex it is, proves that there is an Almighty God. What science inevitably concludes is that creation looks designed because it is designed. God designed this. Pretty awesome!
God says himself he designed the earth to be inhabited.

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

I looked especially for a verse that suggested "intelligent design."

But, to the original poster, sorry, he or she went over my head. Scientific acumen is no substitute for faith. Yay!
 

pittsburghjoe

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Adam and Eve picked satan to be their lowercase god. A lowercase god can observe if we give him the authority to do so. There is a reason satan can hop around anywhere he wants. satan doesn't create anything ..but he sure can cause a mess.

“Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe the Gospel.” (2 Corinthians 4:4)

“We know that the world around us is under the control of the evil one.” (1 John 5:19) “Who can win this battle against the world? Only those who believe that Jesus is the Son of God.” (1 John 5:5)

“Jesus gave his life for our sins, just as God our Father planned, in order to rescue us from this evil world in which we live.” (Galatians 1:4)

“The world offers only a craving for physical pleasure, a craving for everything we see, and pride in our achievements and possessions. These are not from the Father, but are from this world. And this world is fading away, along with everything that people crave. But anyone who does what pleases God will live forever.” (1 John 2:16-17)

“Satan, the ruler of this world, will be cast out.” (John 12:31)

“Jesus said, ‘The ruler of this world approaches. He has no power over me.’” (John 14:30)

“We are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil spiritual rulers and authorities, and against mighty powers in this dark world.” (Ephesians 6:12)
 

pittsburghjoe

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Why stop at the Creation week? Why not Christ's death and resurrection? Who's to say that was not also virtual?
Fallen time for humans started at original sin. This place is still partially virtual. Math and the unobservable side of QM is virtual.
 

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Fallen time for humans started at original sin. This place is still partially virtual. Math and the unobservable side of QM is virtual.
I suppose death and Judgment are virtual as well?
 
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The Big Bang is generated history to match whatever He designed. That would mean the origin is simply a virtual starting point. It’s why quantum effects work. The core of our reality is virtual including the Vector Field and Quantum Fields ..even TIME is virtual. Oh, and Math.

God doesn’t allow carnal minds to find Him. That means scientific evidence. We are in a morality test.
First, I must say that for someone like me who knows little or nothing about Physics whether quantum physics or any other branch of it, and have no interest in deeply learning about it, the terms used in your post are sounding strange to me. Perhaps next time, you can simplify your words so that we all can understand your meaning, more importantly, since this forum is not specifically for science professionals

Having said this , I must also say that my interest in the post was heightened by your following assertions:

God doesn’t allow carnal minds to find Him. That means scientific evidence.

How is this scientific evidence? Issues relating to God have nothing to do with scientific theory or hypothesis and therefore, need no empirical evidence.

For me, your expression in this post shows the usual lack of understanding of the "Science World" of who God truly is and who we are in relation to Him.

Lastly, carnal minds portray a sinful state. Sinners actually find God in their sinful state and then walk with Him for renewal of their minds.
 
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The Fine-Tuning Argument is still in place. No one considers that something virtual happens to make an interference pattern.
In what way? Tell us.

What are the remaining fine tuning arguments? As @Runningman said and from what I understand, all outcomes of experiments relating to quantum physics are probabilistic. ------ not that I care about any outcomes that portend to explain away God's existence or non existence through scientific experiments
 
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Romans 1

. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
If you are linking this bible verse to your big bang or quantum theory in order to prove your meaning of virtual reality as captioned in your op, I disagree with that.

In the virtual world of science and what have you, everything is simulation. For one thing, God never experimented with His creation. He says and it happens as He says. There is no simulation in or with Him.

And, our seeing and understanding of those invisible qualities of His, in his creation is faith based which has no bearing with scientific observation or experience.