Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!
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No I don't think so. One day about a year ago, I was reading the Bible and I realized that it never clearly states anyone is in eternal conscious torment aside from three people. People quote Revelation 20:10, but it can be proven that forever doesn't always mean forever. The debate for eternal torment always falls back to Revelation 20:10, but it literally says only three persons are tormented forever not all sinners. The Bible is packed full of dozens of verses that say the wicked are destroyed, perish, or are put to death.
What do you mean, "No Scripture? Of course not"???
I'm HAPPY to back up every thing I say with Scripture. What was it that I said for which you want a Scripture?
Keep in mind, I assume by just the mention of a verse or partial verse, everyone knows which passage I'm referring to. But, I assure you everything I say can be back up. So, which thing have I said do you need a Scripture?
I'm HAPPY to back up every thing I say with Scripture. What was it that I said for which you want a Scripture?
Keep in mind, I assume by just the mention of a verse or partial verse, everyone knows which passage I'm referring to. But, I assure you everything I say can be back up. So, which thing have I said do you need a Scripture?
Here's just a small snip. There is A LOT more. As you can see, as you have false accused me of, conditional immortality or annihilationism, is not a cult teaching.
180 AD
"And therefore he who shall preserve the life bestowed upon him, and give thanks to Him who imparted it, shall receive also length of days for ever and ever. But he who shall reject it, and prove himself ungrateful to his Maker, inasmuch as he has been created, and has not recognised Him who bestowed [the gift upon him], deprives himself of [the privilege of] continuance for ever and ever. And, for this reason, the Lord declared to those who showed themselves ungrateful towards Him: “If you have not been faithful in that which is little, who will give you that which is great?” indicating that those who, in this brief temporal life, have shown themselves ungrateful to Him who bestowed it, shall justly not receive from Him length of days for ever and ever. "
Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book 2, Chapter 4, paragraph 3
180 AD
"For as the heaven which is above us, the firmament, the sun, the moon, the rest of the stars, and all their grandeur, although they had no previous existence, were called into being, and continue throughout a long course of time according to the will of God, so also any one who thinks thus respecting souls and spirits, and, in fact, respecting all created things, will not by any means go far astray, inasmuch as all things that have been made had a beginning when they were formed, but endure as long as God wills that they should have an existence and continuance."
Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book 2, Chapter 34
335 AD
He brought them into His own garden, and gave them a law: so that, if they kept the grace and remained good, they might still keep the life in paradise without sorrow or pain or care besides having the promise of incorruption in heaven; but that if they transgressed and turned back, and became evil, they might know that they were incurring that corruption in death which was theirs by nature: no longer to live in paradise, but cast out of it from that time forth to die and to abide in death and in corruption.
Athanasius, on the Incarnation of the Word 3
335 AD
"The human race then was wasting, God’s image was being effaced, and His work ruined. Either, then, God must forego His spoken word by which man had incurred ruin; or that which had shared in the being of the Word must sink back again into destruction, in which case God’s design would be defeated."
Athanasius, on the Incarnation of the Word, chapter 6
~107-110 AD
"For this end did the Lord allow the ointment to be poured upon His head, that He might breathe immortality into his church. Be not anointed with the bad odour of the doctrine of the prince of this world; let him not lead you away captive from the life which is set before you. And why are we not all prudent, since we have received the knowledge of God, which is Jesus Christ? Why do we foolishly perish, not recognising the gift which the Lord has of a truth sent to us?"
Ignatius, letter to the Ephesians, Beware of false doctrines, chapter 17
~70-132 AD
"It is well, therefore, that he who has learned the judgments of the Lord, as many as have been written, should walk in them. For he who keeps these shall be glorified in the kingdom of God; but he who chooses other things shall be destroyed with his works. On this account there will be a resurrection, on this account a retribution. I beseech you who are superiors, if you will receive any counsel of my good-will, have among yourselves those to whom you may show kindness: do not forsake them. For the day is at hand on which all things shall perish with the evil [one]."
Epistle of Barnabas chapter 21
302 AD
"Do you dare to laugh at us when we speak of hell, and fires which cannot be quenched, into which we have learned that souls are cast by their foes and enemies? What, does not your Plato also, in the book which he wrote on the immortality of the soul, name the rivers Acheron, Styx, Cocytus, and Pyriphlegethon, and assert that in them souls are rolled along, engulfed, and burned up? But though a man of no little wisdom, and of accurate judgment and discernment, he essays a problem which cannot be solved; so that, while he says that the soul is immortal, everlasting, and without bodily substance, he yet says that they are punished, and makes them suffer pain.
But what man does not see that that which is immortal, which is simple, cannot be subject to any pain; that that, on the contrary, cannot be immortal which does suffer pain?"
Arnobius, Against the Heathen
180 AD
"And therefore he who shall preserve the life bestowed upon him, and give thanks to Him who imparted it, shall receive also length of days for ever and ever. But he who shall reject it, and prove himself ungrateful to his Maker, inasmuch as he has been created, and has not recognised Him who bestowed [the gift upon him], deprives himself of [the privilege of] continuance for ever and ever. And, for this reason, the Lord declared to those who showed themselves ungrateful towards Him: “If you have not been faithful in that which is little, who will give you that which is great?” indicating that those who, in this brief temporal life, have shown themselves ungrateful to Him who bestowed it, shall justly not receive from Him length of days for ever and ever. "
Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book 2, Chapter 4, paragraph 3
180 AD
"For as the heaven which is above us, the firmament, the sun, the moon, the rest of the stars, and all their grandeur, although they had no previous existence, were called into being, and continue throughout a long course of time according to the will of God, so also any one who thinks thus respecting souls and spirits, and, in fact, respecting all created things, will not by any means go far astray, inasmuch as all things that have been made had a beginning when they were formed, but endure as long as God wills that they should have an existence and continuance."
Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book 2, Chapter 34
335 AD
He brought them into His own garden, and gave them a law: so that, if they kept the grace and remained good, they might still keep the life in paradise without sorrow or pain or care besides having the promise of incorruption in heaven; but that if they transgressed and turned back, and became evil, they might know that they were incurring that corruption in death which was theirs by nature: no longer to live in paradise, but cast out of it from that time forth to die and to abide in death and in corruption.
Athanasius, on the Incarnation of the Word 3
335 AD
"The human race then was wasting, God’s image was being effaced, and His work ruined. Either, then, God must forego His spoken word by which man had incurred ruin; or that which had shared in the being of the Word must sink back again into destruction, in which case God’s design would be defeated."
Athanasius, on the Incarnation of the Word, chapter 6
~107-110 AD
"For this end did the Lord allow the ointment to be poured upon His head, that He might breathe immortality into his church. Be not anointed with the bad odour of the doctrine of the prince of this world; let him not lead you away captive from the life which is set before you. And why are we not all prudent, since we have received the knowledge of God, which is Jesus Christ? Why do we foolishly perish, not recognising the gift which the Lord has of a truth sent to us?"
Ignatius, letter to the Ephesians, Beware of false doctrines, chapter 17
~70-132 AD
"It is well, therefore, that he who has learned the judgments of the Lord, as many as have been written, should walk in them. For he who keeps these shall be glorified in the kingdom of God; but he who chooses other things shall be destroyed with his works. On this account there will be a resurrection, on this account a retribution. I beseech you who are superiors, if you will receive any counsel of my good-will, have among yourselves those to whom you may show kindness: do not forsake them. For the day is at hand on which all things shall perish with the evil [one]."
Epistle of Barnabas chapter 21
302 AD
"Do you dare to laugh at us when we speak of hell, and fires which cannot be quenched, into which we have learned that souls are cast by their foes and enemies? What, does not your Plato also, in the book which he wrote on the immortality of the soul, name the rivers Acheron, Styx, Cocytus, and Pyriphlegethon, and assert that in them souls are rolled along, engulfed, and burned up? But though a man of no little wisdom, and of accurate judgment and discernment, he essays a problem which cannot be solved; so that, while he says that the soul is immortal, everlasting, and without bodily substance, he yet says that they are punished, and makes them suffer pain.
But what man does not see that that which is immortal, which is simple, cannot be subject to any pain; that that, on the contrary, cannot be immortal which does suffer pain?"
Arnobius, Against the Heathen
This isn't and exclusive "SDA interpretation" but your statement suggests you've only studied contemporary Christian doctrine, and haven't looked into church history to see what used to be taught.
I feel the EXACT same way toward people who refuse to acknowledge the many Scriptural contradictions that erupt by making the Rich Man and Lazarus passage literal. They willfully ignore basic doctrines plainly taught elsewhere such as that the dead do not receive resurrection bodies UNTIL the resurrection, not when they die. We call that twisting Scripture.
Are Sodom and Gomorrah still literally burning? Before you argue, "Yeah, spiritually in hellfire", I remind you that right there in your NEW TESTAMENT Peter plainly tells us the punishment of the wicked is now "reserved" for a time in the future "unto the day of Judgment" where they are "to be punished". Again, the Immortal Soul/Eternal Torment crowd willfully ignores Peter's words so that Hitler and Jeffery Dahmer and the Sodomites/Gomorrahmites are burning in hell right now, right or wrong?
Who's trying to convince people there's no judgment? I'm trying to convince people that hell is HOTTER than the Christian world teaches, because while they teach the wicked will slow-simmer for all eternity, WE TEACH that the fire is so hot, it's going to burn them up and completely out of existence.
Let's get something straight: it is YOU who teach the lie of the Serpent that the dead really ain't "surely" dead. It is YOU who believe the Serpent told the truth and that God was lying. God said "ye shall SURELY die" but you guys teach, "Oh, they're dead all right - but not surely...they're still alive in joy above or in flames below". Total rubbish.
The approach we SDAs take on this issue is one of common sense: "eternal redemption" does not mean Jesus will be nailed repeatedly to a Cross to redeem us over and over, because "eternal" refers to the RESULT, not the PROCESS. Same for "eternal judgment" and "eternal salvation" which all refer to the RESULT, not the PROCESS. I've shown you that Sodom and Gomorrah were burnt with "eternal fire" but are presently NOT ON FIRE because the "eternal fire" with which those cities were burned refers to the RESULT of that fire, not the PROCESS of burning.
Look man, does the text say "eternal punishING" or eternal punishMENT"? It says "punishment"...but what is the punishment? Eternal torment? Do you believe Romans 6:23 or not? Obviously, most of the Christian world doesn't understand what they're reading, because the truth is they are NOT reading anything, they are regurgitating bulldookey preached by false pulpit prophets who themselves are blind guides leading the blind.
What do you mean you don't contradict what Jesus said? Jesus said the dead don't rise until the resurrection, which at that time is when they get their resurrection bodies, but you teach the Rich Man, Lazarus, and Abraham have "literal" bodies in a "literal" passage about "literal" afterlife events. YOU CAN'T GET ANY MORE CONTRADICTORY THAN THAT, FRIEND.
I feel the EXACT same way toward people who refuse to acknowledge the many Scriptural contradictions that erupt by making the Rich Man and Lazarus passage literal. They willfully ignore basic doctrines plainly taught elsewhere such as that the dead do not receive resurrection bodies UNTIL the resurrection, not when they die. We call that twisting Scripture.
Are Sodom and Gomorrah still literally burning? Before you argue, "Yeah, spiritually in hellfire", I remind you that right there in your NEW TESTAMENT Peter plainly tells us the punishment of the wicked is now "reserved" for a time in the future "unto the day of Judgment" where they are "to be punished". Again, the Immortal Soul/Eternal Torment crowd willfully ignores Peter's words so that Hitler and Jeffery Dahmer and the Sodomites/Gomorrahmites are burning in hell right now, right or wrong?
Who's trying to convince people there's no judgment? I'm trying to convince people that hell is HOTTER than the Christian world teaches, because while they teach the wicked will slow-simmer for all eternity, WE TEACH that the fire is so hot, it's going to burn them up and completely out of existence.
Let's get something straight: it is YOU who teach the lie of the Serpent that the dead really ain't "surely" dead. It is YOU who believe the Serpent told the truth and that God was lying. God said "ye shall SURELY die" but you guys teach, "Oh, they're dead all right - but not surely...they're still alive in joy above or in flames below". Total rubbish.
The approach we SDAs take on this issue is one of common sense: "eternal redemption" does not mean Jesus will be nailed repeatedly to a Cross to redeem us over and over, because "eternal" refers to the RESULT, not the PROCESS. Same for "eternal judgment" and "eternal salvation" which all refer to the RESULT, not the PROCESS. I've shown you that Sodom and Gomorrah were burnt with "eternal fire" but are presently NOT ON FIRE because the "eternal fire" with which those cities were burned refers to the RESULT of that fire, not the PROCESS of burning.
Look man, does the text say "eternal punishING" or eternal punishMENT"? It says "punishment"...but what is the punishment? Eternal torment? Do you believe Romans 6:23 or not? Obviously, most of the Christian world doesn't understand what they're reading, because the truth is they are NOT reading anything, they are regurgitating bulldookey preached by false pulpit prophets who themselves are blind guides leading the blind.
What do you mean you don't contradict what Jesus said? Jesus said the dead don't rise until the resurrection, which at that time is when they get their resurrection bodies, but you teach the Rich Man, Lazarus, and Abraham have "literal" bodies in a "literal" passage about "literal" afterlife events. YOU CAN'T GET ANY MORE CONTRADICTORY THAN THAT, FRIEND.
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What you describe - eternal torment - is not "everlasting punishment", but "everlasting punishING".
The Bible teaches no such thing. It teaches "everlasting punishment"...but what is the punishment? '
IT'S DEATH!!! (Romans 6:23 KJV) Now, if you can find me a verse that teaches "everlasting punishING", I'll concede the argument
The Bible teaches no such thing. It teaches "everlasting punishment"...but what is the punishment? '
IT'S DEATH!!! (Romans 6:23 KJV) Now, if you can find me a verse that teaches "everlasting punishING", I'll concede the argument
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No, I just showed you how you've been reading it wrong all these years. The Soul exists ONLY as a consequence of the union of the Body and the Breath of Life...SAYS IT RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU THAT THE SOUL ONLY BEGINS TO EXIST WHEN THESE TWO JOIN. Even a fool can see that once these to disjoin, the Soul cannot continue to exist.
You can't take the symbolism of the most symbolic book in the Bible and make it literal while ignoring the several verses which say the dead are in total silence. We call that "twisting Scripture". Would you like me to post all the texts that say the dead are in "silence" and "darkness" and are devoid of "emotion" and "knowlege" and "wisdom" and "device" and do "no work"? I got 'em for anyone who's willing to be an honest scholar.
[QUOTE' Isaiah 10:18 And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standard-bearer fainteth. [/QUOTE] Yes, the Soul is comprised of the Body and the Spirit. God is going to destroy the Body and the Soul, but the Spirit shall return to Him just as it was when it left Him, which means it don't LOOK like you, SMELL like you, SOUND like you, or has ANYTHING to do with you...it returns to Him just as it was when it went forth to enter your body and caused the Soul that is named John146 to begin to exist.
See above response
You can't take the symbolism of the most symbolic book in the Bible and make it literal while ignoring the several verses which say the dead are in total silence. We call that "twisting Scripture". Would you like me to post all the texts that say the dead are in "silence" and "darkness" and are devoid of "emotion" and "knowlege" and "wisdom" and "device" and do "no work"? I got 'em for anyone who's willing to be an honest scholar.
[QUOTE' Isaiah 10:18 And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standard-bearer fainteth. [/QUOTE] Yes, the Soul is comprised of the Body and the Spirit. God is going to destroy the Body and the Soul, but the Spirit shall return to Him just as it was when it left Him, which means it don't LOOK like you, SMELL like you, SOUND like you, or has ANYTHING to do with you...it returns to Him just as it was when it went forth to enter your body and caused the Soul that is named John146 to begin to exist.
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I assure you that anyone who has heard the truth that the wicked are not eternally tormented, but are annihilated, and refuses to accept the truth...it is they who are spiritually blind, usually because they have separated themselves from God through the indulgence of sin, and thus are left without Holy Spirit discernment.
Don't mean to denigrate or criticize either, friend. I pray you will come to believe God Who said, YE SHALL SURELY DIE" and not the Serpent who has convinced the entire Christian world that "YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE...Y0U'LL DIE ALRIGHT, BUT YOU'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO BE DEAD - YOU'LL STILL BE ALIVE IN JOY ABOVE OR IN TORMENT BELOW, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SURELY DIE."
I always ask why Christians are so scared of spending the night in a cemetery. They all know them folk are dead...but not surely, right?
Don't mean to denigrate or criticize either, friend. I pray you will come to believe God Who said, YE SHALL SURELY DIE" and not the Serpent who has convinced the entire Christian world that "YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE...Y0U'LL DIE ALRIGHT, BUT YOU'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO BE DEAD - YOU'LL STILL BE ALIVE IN JOY ABOVE OR IN TORMENT BELOW, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SURELY DIE."
I always ask why Christians are so scared of spending the night in a cemetery. They all know them folk are dead...but not surely, right?
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Too bad they aren't willing to accept truth as soon as they're confronted with it. They claim Paul as one of their champions of the faith, but they do not as Paul did.
When Paul's mind was completely blown when the voice came to him, "I am JESUS Whom thou art persecuting", Paul immediately accepted the truth. BUT, HOW INCREDULOUS WAS THAT TO HIM? It's the equivalent of Martin Luther crying out, "Who art thou?" and hearing the response, "It is I, the POPE".
Paul went immediately in the direction of truth, but these many here refuse to believe and will be fully deceived by "the spirits of devils working miracles" because they think the dead are still alive and conscious. Grandma and Grandpa will appear to them and tell them to believe the false Christ that has come impersonating Jesus and they will believe those lying demons that look "familiarly" like their dead loved ones instead of the Scriptures and there will be no mercy for them because they refused to "receive a love of the truth that they might be saved" so they will "believe a lie that they might be damned".
When Paul's mind was completely blown when the voice came to him, "I am JESUS Whom thou art persecuting", Paul immediately accepted the truth. BUT, HOW INCREDULOUS WAS THAT TO HIM? It's the equivalent of Martin Luther crying out, "Who art thou?" and hearing the response, "It is I, the POPE".
Paul went immediately in the direction of truth, but these many here refuse to believe and will be fully deceived by "the spirits of devils working miracles" because they think the dead are still alive and conscious. Grandma and Grandpa will appear to them and tell them to believe the false Christ that has come impersonating Jesus and they will believe those lying demons that look "familiarly" like their dead loved ones instead of the Scriptures and there will be no mercy for them because they refused to "receive a love of the truth that they might be saved" so they will "believe a lie that they might be damned".
"Unconsciousness" is a word we have invented to describe a state someone appears to be in from an outsider's point of view.
But the spirit is always awake; we dream when we sleep. But most people forget their dreams as soon as they wake up. This is confirmed in the psychological literature. Even when the body sleeps, the spirit is awake.
I already answered that. To be in someone's bosom means to be close to them. It's a common Hebrew idiom. To be "in Abraham's bosom" means to be in the place where Abraham is, because one would be near him.
For emphasis:
Here, Jesus made the point that these patriarchs are examples of how people are living even while their body is "asleep". He is (currently) the God of Abraham, and He is (currently) the God of the living because Abraham is (currently) alive.
The rich man (and the rest of the wicked) are awake and disembodied (until their resurrection). They are who Peter referred to when he spoke of how Jesus "went and preached unto the spirits in prison" (1 Pet 3:19).
Torment (in Hades) is their prison until judgment day.
But the spirit is always awake; we dream when we sleep. But most people forget their dreams as soon as they wake up. This is confirmed in the psychological literature. Even when the body sleeps, the spirit is awake.
So, Abraham's "literal" bosom must be many square miles in size if all the dead who've ever lived have gone there, right?
For emphasis:
““But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God: ‘I AM the God of Abraham, and the God of Issac, And the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”” (Matthew 22:31–32)
Here, Jesus made the point that these patriarchs are examples of how people are living even while their body is "asleep". He is (currently) the God of Abraham, and He is (currently) the God of the living because Abraham is (currently) alive.
The rich man (and the rest of the wicked) are awake and disembodied (until their resurrection). They are who Peter referred to when he spoke of how Jesus "went and preached unto the spirits in prison" (1 Pet 3:19).
Torment (in Hades) is their prison until judgment day.
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It does. While I emphasize the Oneness of the Lord in my teaching, I also do not deny the distinctions between the members of the Godhead.
But because I emphasize His Oneness, sometimes the three-ness in the Godhead may take the backburner; which may account for your misunderstanding.
The doctrine of eternal judgment in hell is not against the scriptures; it is a basic tenet of holy scripture (Hebrews 6:1-3).
All my statements are based in sound doctrine.
Yes, God is one Lord.
There is even one Lord in holy scripture (Ephesians 4:5); the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21, 2 Corinthians 6:17-18).
Yet, no one can say that Jesus is the Lord except by the Spirit of truth (1 Corinthians 12:3 (kjv)).
And, Jesus is the one Lord of holy scripture (1 Corinthians 8:6).
I conclude that Jesus and the Father are the same Lord (1 Corinthians 12:5, 2 Corinthians 8:19).
In light of Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21, 2 Corinthians 6:17-18, can you say that Jesus is the Lord?
(I await your response)...
If you cannot, then you do not have the Holy Ghost (1 Corinthians 12:3 (kjv))...
And therefore you do not belong to Christ (Romans 8:9).
No, I do not want the last word. As a matter of fact, I await your response to the question that I have asked of you.
But because I emphasize His Oneness, sometimes the three-ness in the Godhead may take the backburner; which may account for your misunderstanding.
The doctrine of eternal judgment in hell is not against the scriptures; it is a basic tenet of holy scripture (Hebrews 6:1-3).
All my statements are based in sound doctrine.
Yes, God is one Lord.
There is even one Lord in holy scripture (Ephesians 4:5); the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21, 2 Corinthians 6:17-18).
Yet, no one can say that Jesus is the Lord except by the Spirit of truth (1 Corinthians 12:3 (kjv)).
And, Jesus is the one Lord of holy scripture (1 Corinthians 8:6).
I conclude that Jesus and the Father are the same Lord (1 Corinthians 12:5, 2 Corinthians 8:19).
In light of Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21, 2 Corinthians 6:17-18, can you say that Jesus is the Lord?
(I await your response)...
If you cannot, then you do not have the Holy Ghost (1 Corinthians 12:3 (kjv))...
And therefore you do not belong to Christ (Romans 8:9).
No, I do not want the last word. As a matter of fact, I await your response to the question that I have asked of you.
Creation as we now know it will be ser ablaze at the return of our Lord Jesus. He said,
as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
meaning God sent a flood on the unrepentant,
Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pet.2:3-7
So our King reigns now. To those who reject his reign now he will say at his return,
But as for these enemies of mine who did not want me to be their king, bring them here and slaughter them in front of me!'"
The so called millennial reign of Christ is when he reigns over sinners in mercy and appoints ambassadors to do the same. When our sweet Savior returns, his reign in mercy over unrepentant sinners ends.
as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
meaning God sent a flood on the unrepentant,
Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pet.2:3-7
So our King reigns now. To those who reject his reign now he will say at his return,
But as for these enemies of mine who did not want me to be their king, bring them here and slaughter them in front of me!'"
The so called millennial reign of Christ is when he reigns over sinners in mercy and appoints ambassadors to do the same. When our sweet Savior returns, his reign in mercy over unrepentant sinners ends.