Is abortion murder?

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CDavid

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here is what i don't get: why are christians so against abortion when an aborted child, according to your beliefs, will go straight to heaven. but if that child is born/raised in this world then there is a chance it will go to hell. so...do you really care about the child or not?

cuz allowing it to be born risks it suffering for eternity in hell whil abortion sends it straight to heaven...so what exactly is the problem with abortion?? lol just cuz it defies "gods will"?

well i would hope that the eternal well being of the child would be higher on your priority list than "gods will"

i'm not saying everyone should get abortions, i'm just saying i don't see why christians have such a problem with it if they really care so much about the child like they claim to...
I suppose, for someone who thinks like this, the baby is better off being aborted. The baby would go straight to God. If Dark Void were raising a child, the child would most likely never stand a chance of knowing Jesus.
Perhaps it works out to be a mercy killing; something abortionist must have in common with Muslims.
 
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It is best to leave it be to God. He will save who he wants, and he will not save whom he does not want to.
so if god just saves who he wants then what is the point of giving us a "choice"?

even if he lets us think we are making our own choice but really it is just his will then we don't really have a choice anyway, we just think we do.

so then we are just puppets in the end?

that makes god sound horrible but i am not opposed to that lol
 
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Amazing how self-centered and even narcissistic your god seems.

see what he did there? he made HIMSELF the only way to heaven. you cant get to heaven on good deeds or a good life. that is not what god really wants.

god just wants to be praised.

i know some people like that...i cant stand them lol
Yes God is self centered. And, He demands our love and worship. He is a great and terrible God. He is a jealous God.
 
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If Dark Void were raising a child, the child would most likely never stand a chance of knowing Jesus.
I wouldn't say that. I would let them read the bible if they want. but i would also present my ideas of why i think the bible is wrong. then they can decide for themselves.

but the idea of me raising a child is very funny lol i would either be the most awesome parent or a very pathetic one, depending on how you look at it lol
 

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here is what i don't get: why are christians so against abortion when an aborted child, according to your beliefs, will go straight to heaven. but if that child is born/raised in this world then there is a chance it will go to hell. so...do you really care about the child or not?

cuz allowing it to be born risks it suffering for eternity in hell whil abortion sends it straight to heaven...so what exactly is the problem with abortion?? lol just cuz it defies "gods will"?

well i would hope that the eternal well being of the child would be higher on your priority list than "gods will"

i'm not saying everyone should get abortions, i'm just saying i don't see why christians have such a problem with it if they really care so much about the child like they claim to...
Hmm, well see that's just one side of the "What if" card. The other side would be that that child is born and brings many others to Christ and helps others. It's not up to us to decide what a child "could be" and then determine whether or not they get to live based on that.
 
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My friend, how can you praise God with a bad heart?
All these things tie into one.
Faith and Love...
To praise God you must be sincere in you doings, that's cause its justified for him..
God will not take a guy who praises him yet commits adultery with every woman in town or who steals, kills etc.. (10 Commandments are the highest orders of the truth and also how to live a GREAT life with God) So no, he is not all about praise, he wants you fully not just in one way... Praise is only a little puzzle of ways to please God. Don't get that wrong.
Peace.
 
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Yes . Life starts at conception. When Mary received Christ, she went to her cousin Elizabeth who was already herself months along with John that baptist in her womb. When Marry entered the home, and saluted her cousin, John the baptist leaped for joy!, because, he could feel the presence of Christ. ( Luke 1:41 ) read the whole account...

Murder would mean, premeditated criminal, homicide. The act it's self is a premeditated choice. Is it criminal ? well the law would say no depending where your at. But I'm sure God would not like it. Because, abortion was often used to try to kill the prophets, it was used by Herod himself, ordered all children killed, in order to kill Christ. and on an on it gos. God will take care of those children. On the other hand He set rules. He expects us to be higher minded rather then savages. Even animals instinctively know to care for their young. Aren't we better then wild animals ?

If you had taken part in that I would repent and ask for forgiveness, if that was me. Forgiveness in Christ name, and change.
But if you never did that, then I would not think to try it. It's wrong. just really wrong.

Christ forgives and makes us new. But we have to make the first step.
 
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Amazing how self-centered and even narcissistic your god seems.

see what he did there? he made HIMSELF the only way to heaven. you cant get to heaven on good deeds or a good life. that is not what god really wants.

god just wants to be praised.

i know some people like that...i cant stand them lol
If he was a narcissist He would have picked up His ball and went home. He didn't half to die for your sins.
 
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Yes God is self centered. And, He demands our love and worship. He is a great and terrible God. He is a jealous God.
Self-centered, demanding, great and terrible, and jealous.

wow, those are bad relationship traits if i ever heard them xD

i mean some jealousy is good but not TOO much...

that relationship doesn't sound very healthy.
 
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susanblange:


""" Is a fetus considered by God to be a human life? "" This was her main question .
 
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Hmm, well see that's just one side of the "What if" card. The other side would be that that child is born and brings many others to Christ and helps others. It's not up to us to decide what a child "could be" and then determine whether or not they get to live based on that.
Yes, but the majority of people do not truly accept jesus.

so it's safe to say the odds of them not bringing anyone to christ are signifigantly greater.

so taking that into consideration. plus the fact that they get a free express ticket to heaven.

that don't sound half bad, ya kno?

plus not to mention if you did abort everyone, then everyone would go to heaven :O

and if your ultimate goal is to get as many people to heaven as possible...well then lol

hmm, makes ya think huh?
 
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Amazing how self-centered and even narcissistic your god seems.

see what he did there? he made HIMSELF the only way to heaven. you cant get to heaven on good deeds or a good life. that is not what god really wants.

god just wants to be praised.


i know some people like that...i cant stand them lol
I used to think in similar ways to you prior to meeting with my creator God. I also used to seek out Christians as you are doing by interacting here and would challenge & ridicule their faith...but i was seeking, just like you are. Then one day I realised that Christ was The Way, The Truth & The Life. I look back to those days and am so grateful for the kindness & patience many of those Christians showed me. Some got angry, insulted me back! but most did not....because they knew, because God tells us, that a belief in God and His son Jesus Christ is foolishness to those 'who do not believe'. How do we believe? first step is to accept we are not sufficient unto our selves, that we are sinful, then and only then can we hear God calling us to Him and that seed of faith can then grow. You may think...just like i did and millions before us that that will never happen to you... but I am confident that it can. So when you write as you do, I simply pray that you will see the Truth and that Truth will set you free. God Bless you. <><
 

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He also did not have to create us in the first place.
Yup, that refutes your claim that He is a narcissist especially in the light that He knew there would be sin and that He would voluntarily die for us. Perhaps people deserve hell who refuse such great Love as they are perched in their ivory towers mocking.
 
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Yup, that refutes your claim that He is a narcissist especially in the light that He knew there would be sin and that He would voluntarily die for us. Perhaps people deserve hell who refuse such great Love as they are perched in their ivory towers mocking.
not if he planned it all out.

and his "sacrifice" for us wasnt exactly very great when you consider that he knew he was god and would just rise again.

it's like if you gave your car away knowing that you would get it back soon...

so he didn't "give" his life, he just let us borrow it lol
 

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not if he planned it all out.

and his "sacrifice" for us wasnt exactly very great when you consider that he knew he was god and would just rise again.

it's like if you gave your car away knowing that you would get it back soon...

so he didn't "give" his life, he just let us borrow it lol
He suffered as a man as well to the point of death...even for his enemies. How much have you suffered for those who despised you? Aww nevermind as important as this matter is it is off track of the OP.
 

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not if he planned it all out.

and his "sacrifice" for us wasnt exactly very great when you consider that he knew he was god and would just rise again.

it's like if you gave your car away knowing that you would get it back soon...

so he didn't "give" his life, he just let us borrow it lol
Well aren't you just a big bowl of sunshine!
 

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Oh yeah, to the OP....my answer... yes.
But I get a feeling there is a catch to your question since you made a comment yesterday that the worlds population is big enough already.
 
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He suffered as a man as well to the point of death...even for his enemies. How much have you suffered for those who despised you? Aww nevermind as important as this matter is it is off track of the OP.
Funny how he is willing to "suffer" so much but not willing to give us a third option besides heaven or hell.

so since he is not willing to give a third option, which would be so easy for him to do, it makes me really doubt the validity of his "suffering"
 

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Funny how he is willing to "suffer" so much but not willing to give us a third option besides heaven or hell.

so since he is not willing to give a third option, which would be so easy for him to do, it makes me really doubt the validity of his "suffering"
He didn't have to give us any option. After all, He is God and not us.