Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?
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That's fanciful. A multitude of Scripture verses predicate eternal life on knowing/being known by and believing in Jesus.
John 17:2-3~ You granted Him authority over all people, so that He may give eternal life to all those You
have given Him. Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, Whom You have sent.
John 17:2-3~ You granted Him authority over all people, so that He may give eternal life to all those You
have given Him. Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, Whom You have sent.
What did Jesus say about it. What did Peter say about the matter? Its that simple.
We need to do what Jesus said because he said to and then believe what he said about the doing of it. It was never disputed in the church until modernity. The only question was should infants be baptized? (Anabaptists) questioning the practice of the church for hundreds of years.
Amazing.
Everyone agrees that the bible is God's word but we dont trust what it says. Is that lack of trust in God? I think so.
We need to do what Jesus said because he said to and then believe what he said about the doing of it. It was never disputed in the church until modernity. The only question was should infants be baptized? (Anabaptists) questioning the practice of the church for hundreds of years.
Amazing.
Everyone agrees that the bible is God's word but we dont trust what it says. Is that lack of trust in God? I think so.
There is no contradiction between what Jesus' stated in Matthew 28:19, and what the disciples did as recorded.
I have no way of knowing for sure why Jesus did not just plainly say it. However, I have come to believe scripture hints at the reason. A couple that come to mind are: "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." (Prov 25:2); "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." (Matt 5:6)
Jesus' statement in Matthew 28:19 is a revelation of who He is. Something the disciples who were closest to Him understood as seen by how they baptized in response to His words.
I have no way of knowing for sure why Jesus did not just plainly say it. However, I have come to believe scripture hints at the reason. A couple that come to mind are: "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." (Prov 25:2); "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." (Matt 5:6)
Jesus' statement in Matthew 28:19 is a revelation of who He is. Something the disciples who were closest to Him understood as seen by how they baptized in response to His words.
That's fanciful. A multitude of Scripture verses predicate eternal life on knowing/being known by and believing in Jesus.
John 17:2-3~ You granted Him authority over all people, so that He may give eternal life to all those You
have given Him. Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, Whom You have sent.
John 17:2-3~ You granted Him authority over all people, so that He may give eternal life to all those You
have given Him. Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, Whom You have sent.
John 20:31
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Upon breaking that scripture down we know Jesus said to baptize IN THE NAME of... Meaning a singular name. Father, Son and Holy Ghost are titles not names. The name to which Jesus referred is His own as witnessed by how the apostles responded to His words. We also know that in Jesus dwells all of the fulness of the Godhead bodily according to Col. 2:9. In addition, consider the words of the prophet Isaiah:
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Isa 9:6
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Isa 9:6
I agree that the bible must be trusted. However, many are unaware of what the bible actually reveals about water baptism. Many are taught to follow a tradition begun well after the time of the apostles. The following scriptures may be helpful in understanding how to water baptize and its God-given purpose:
Paul instructs the born again Corinthians concerning the relevance of their water baptism in the name of Jesus.
Paul knew baptism was to be in Jesus’ name:
Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 1 Cor 1:13
I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. 1 Cor 1:14-16
Acts 2:38-39 (Jewish)
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Acts 8:12-17 (Samaritans-half Jewish-half Gentile)
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:43-48 (Gentiles)
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 19:2-6 (Disciples who did not realize they had to water baptized in Jesus name)
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 22:14-16 (Paul's water baptism)
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Paul instructs the born again Corinthians concerning the relevance of their water baptism in the name of Jesus.
Paul knew baptism was to be in Jesus’ name:
Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 1 Cor 1:13
I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. 1 Cor 1:14-16
Acts 2:38-39 (Jewish)
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Acts 8:12-17 (Samaritans-half Jewish-half Gentile)
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:43-48 (Gentiles)
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 19:2-6 (Disciples who did not realize they had to water baptized in Jesus name)
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 22:14-16 (Paul's water baptism)
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Could you please use the quote function, lower right hand corner (REPLY) of post you are quoting?
That is, if you are actually responding to one particular post Then we will know to whom you are speaking
I do realize your comments could be directed to the board at large, however, as such, they seem quite discombobulated
That is, if you are actually responding to one particular post
Then we will know to whom you are speaking I do realize your comments could be directed to the board at large, however, as such, they seem quite discombobulated
Good reason to disagree.
https://carm.org/oneness-pentecostal/must-baptism-be-in-jesus-name-baptize/
https://carm.org/oneness-pentecostal/must-baptism-be-in-jesus-name-baptize/
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Oops posted the following and afterward saw Magenta provided the same info.
Since you are a new member I thought the following may be useful.
When asking a question about a specific post, click the reply button at the bottom of the post. And type in your question. This way it is known to whom your comment/question is addressed. Hope this helps.
Since you are a new member I thought the following may be useful.
When asking a question about a specific post, click the reply button at the bottom of the post. And type in your question. This way it is known to whom your comment/question is addressed. Hope this helps.
Could you please use the quote function, lower right hand corner (REPLY) of post you are quoting?
That is, if you are actually responding to one particular post Then we will know to whom you are speaking
I do realize your comments could be directed to the board at large, however, as such, they seem quite discombobulated
That is, if you are actually responding to one particular post
Then we will know to whom you are speaking I do realize your comments could be directed to the board at large, however, as such, they seem quite discombobulated