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There are two primary terms translated as FOR from the Greek. GAR can mean because of. EIS on the other hand means into, unto, toward, so that you may have. Acts 2:38 uses the latter. The illustration about the aspirin assumes the former. See Acts 2:38 in the NRSV (New Revised Standard Version); also look at it in the ASV (American Standard Version, 1901). No reputable translation has ever rendered it as "because of."
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Grrr...
Baptism of Infants versus baptism of Understanding Christians--the confusion comes in when you start wondering over 'grace'; Are we saved freely or 'because we see and understand'??? But to see and understand means to some extant the Lord has already changed you...Personally I say no to infant baptism because of the affects...as baptist has said that people believe they know the Lord enough to be called Christian just because they were baptised when young...
It was the same issue with death bed confessionals...then the LORD showed me, we are all on our death beds before he comes--even physical (though it may appear not) because sin is killing us)..
So I truly don't know but I do know I was baptised as an infant and then aslo felt a need to be baptised when I turned from sin when I was older...
And, now for the thread topic...
I do not believe baptism is a commitment in front of Christians or a clebration or anything like that...
Something spiritual happens (I do not know how to explain it). Whenever you follow the Lord and do what he says, he opens doors for you and shows you things, and takes him with him where he is...He commands baptism, if you follow, you see or our changed kind of like an actual wedding than a wedding ring...and you are with Him now...so long as you do not continue in sin...you are clean...remember it was only the Jews that had accepted John's baptism that accepted Jesus's call to repentence and life as well...The Eunuch did not parade his faith in front of people when he was baptised; his soul yearned he saw water and was baptised--who knows if anyone else was there--I would doubt there where any other Christians.
May the Lord bless you all
tony
Baptism of Infants versus baptism of Understanding Christians--the confusion comes in when you start wondering over 'grace'; Are we saved freely or 'because we see and understand'??? But to see and understand means to some extant the Lord has already changed you...Personally I say no to infant baptism because of the affects...as baptist has said that people believe they know the Lord enough to be called Christian just because they were baptised when young...
It was the same issue with death bed confessionals...then the LORD showed me, we are all on our death beds before he comes--even physical (though it may appear not) because sin is killing us)..
So I truly don't know but I do know I was baptised as an infant and then aslo felt a need to be baptised when I turned from sin when I was older...
And, now for the thread topic...
I do not believe baptism is a commitment in front of Christians or a clebration or anything like that...
Something spiritual happens (I do not know how to explain it). Whenever you follow the Lord and do what he says, he opens doors for you and shows you things, and takes him with him where he is...He commands baptism, if you follow, you see or our changed kind of like an actual wedding than a wedding ring...and you are with Him now...so long as you do not continue in sin...you are clean...remember it was only the Jews that had accepted John's baptism that accepted Jesus's call to repentence and life as well...The Eunuch did not parade his faith in front of people when he was baptised; his soul yearned he saw water and was baptised--who knows if anyone else was there--I would doubt there where any other Christians.
May the Lord bless you all
tony
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There was no Christian to explain it to him, other than Peter--and you think the gentiles rejoiced and celebrated with him that he became a Christian??? I do think the angelic host rejoiced and celebrated but not people, if they were or were not there it doesn't matter--God is the only one who mattered and matters.
Then if God could care that much to send Philip to the Eunuch to explain the Bible and Baptise Him, than baptism matters in christianity. I may say it is one of the ORDINANCES that Jesus left to the church.
Mathew 28:19 says: " Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
Acts 2:37-39 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?
ACTS 2:38
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
ACTS 2:39
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call. says: "
Then Baptism was ordered by Jesus and the first salvation meeting that was preached by the Apostles they talked of the same baptism.
I think it matters.
Mathew 28:19 says: " Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
Acts 2:37-39 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?
ACTS 2:38
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
ACTS 2:39
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call. says: "
Then Baptism was ordered by Jesus and the first salvation meeting that was preached by the Apostles they talked of the same baptism.
I think it matters.
Now if more believers were baptised straight away after conversion instead of months or years later or instead of waiting for that illusive "age of understanding" (whatever a person or church may suppose that to be, as if they'd know...) of a young person , there'd be a lot less worry about whether a person is saved or not if they aren't baptised.
Here's a scenario:
A child believes in the gospel at age 8, the church won't baptise them until age 10 because age 10 is the "official age of accountability", (according to them anyway). The child dies at age 9. Saved or not?
If they believe baptism is necessary for salvation then they better be ready to baptise that kid as soon as he is ready.
If not, they better baptise him as an infant or young child or something so that when he hits the right age of understanding, he has already been baptised.
Here's a scenario:
A child believes in the gospel at age 8, the church won't baptise them until age 10 because age 10 is the "official age of accountability", (according to them anyway). The child dies at age 9. Saved or not?
If they believe baptism is necessary for salvation then they better be ready to baptise that kid as soon as he is ready.
If not, they better baptise him as an infant or young child or something so that when he hits the right age of understanding, he has already been baptised.
Then if to God age 10 is the age of accountability then he cant count any wrong doing to that child when he is younger.
I dont know whether thats the year but i have seen children being baptised at age 8 as long as they understand what salvation and sin is and have repented their sins as peter required of them that day.
According to peter baptism is after repenting sin and he says you get baptised for remission of those sins you repent.
but an infant how do they repent? maybe i be told.
I dont know whether thats the year but i have seen children being baptised at age 8 as long as they understand what salvation and sin is and have repented their sins as peter required of them that day.
According to peter baptism is after repenting sin and he says you get baptised for remission of those sins you repent.
but an infant how do they repent? maybe i be told.
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