Is Catholicism the Oldest Christian Faith?

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Every pagan or only athenian pagan?
The Greeks he found worshipping in a shrine dedicated to the Unknown God. Truth is Our Lord. We love it wherever it's found knowing it belongs to us.
 

Jackson123

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The Greeks he found worshipping in a shrine dedicated to the Unknown God. Truth is Our Lord. We love it wherever it's found knowing it belongs to us.
So It not apply to muslim
 

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The oldest Christian faith is belief in the truth. The original doctrine of the New Testament is the Pauline Doctrine of Justification Solely by Faith.
This doctrine was abolished about 300 years after the death of the last apostle.
 

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To me catholic is more danger than Hindu, we know hindu is not Christian. But some people think catholic is Christian.
Christian not believe in purgatory, Christian don't believe salvation by doing religious ritual etc.

Catholic is pretend to be Christian but is not.

Read jesuit oath and you know how satanic catholic is

http://www.alamoministries.com/content/english/Antichrist/jesuitoath.html
Yeah, that oath is bogus. According to this book the oath is supposedly from the Knights of Columbus oath. The KoC did not exist until the 19th century so why they are being referred to in a Jesuit Oath makes no sense. I am no defender of the Jesuits but spreading (even unintentionally) false information doesn't help the cause of Truth. The oath begins on page 18.

https://archive.org/details/4thdegreeoathofk00wats/page/18/mode/2up
 
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So It not apply to muslim
Once a person is able to accept that there is one God who is Creator of all that is. That's our common starting point. The ultimate end of the natural light of reason. We believe in God in a way that natural reason could never apprehend. The doctrin it'self is evidence that it is Divine. Three persons One God,,,that isn't a doctrin we could put together and probably wouldn't anyway. It's a radical shift. Yet the God the Jewish people believe is One. Three persons one being .....not unless heaven reveals it. That info can't have an earthly origin and be believed.

Do you believe the same God that the Jewish people believe in, is the God you believe in?
 
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The oldest Christian faith is belief in the truth. The original doctrine of the New Testament is the Pauline Doctrine of Justification Solely by Faith.
This doctrine was abolished about 300 years after the death of the last apostle.
I think I read somewhere that the community that gathered around Christ was called 'The Way". Sounds too sixties hippy for me but that's what I read.
 

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Yeah, that oath is bogus. According to this book the oath is supposedly from the Knights of Columbus oath. The KoC did not exist until the 19th century so why they are being referred to in a Jesuit Oath makes no sense. I am no defender of the Jesuits but spreading (even unintentionally) false information doesn't help the cause of Truth. The oath begins on page 18.

https://archive.org/details/4thdegreeoathofk00wats/page/18/mode/2up
Knigh Colombus have similar oath with jesuit and knight Columbus is vatican alley
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/...f-columbus-for-charity-devotion-to-peter.html

Can you imagine, catholic know kc oath and pope praise kc, what is behind all,of that gangster?
 

Jackson123

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Once a person is able to accept that there is one God who is Creator of all that is. That's our common starting point. The ultimate end of the natural light of reason. We believe in God in a way that natural reason could never apprehend. The doctrin it'self is evidence that it is Divine. Three persons One God,,,that isn't a doctrin we could put together and probably wouldn't anyway. It's a radical shift. Yet the God the Jewish people believe is One. Three persons one being .....not unless heaven reveals it. That info can't have an earthly origin and be believed.

Do you believe the same God that the Jewish people believe in, is the God you believe in?
Satanism believe that satan is the only God who create universe.
 
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Well that's the real issue, isn't it? "Interfaith dialogue".

The problem is that John 14:6 does not really allow that. It is an either/or proposition.
Jesus saith unto him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no man cometh unto the Father, but [except] by me.
Taking the Jews and Muslims positions as a jumping off point isn't the same as treating them as saved. Essentially what it seems the Catholic position states is that Muslims and Jews can be reached by accepting what the Muslims and Jews believe is true and showing it to be insufficient rather than immediately shutting down dialogue by taking a wholly adversarial position.
 

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Essentially what it seems the Catholic position states is that Muslims and Jews can be reached by accepting what the Muslims and Jews believe is true and showing it to be insufficient rather than immediately shutting down dialogue by taking a wholly adversarial position.
What do you mean by reached muslim and jews? To make them catholic? And con them?

Jesus the only way to the Father. Just tell the truth like what pope peter did, not use cunning strategy
 
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What do you mean by reached muslim and jews? To make them catholic? And con them?

Jesus the only way to the Father. Just tell the truth like what pope peter did, not use cunning strategy
It's not "cunning strategy," it's using bridges that already exist. As Benadam has pointed out such "cunning strategy" is demonstrated in Acts 17 when Paul uses the shrine of the unknown god as a jumping off point to teach about Christ. If you begin dialogue with someone by telling them they're wrong and their god is evil there's little hope they'll actually hear anything you say, just shut down and get defensive and hostile. There is a time for such declarations, but as a general disposition its foolish.
 
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Wrong about God to the point Jesus is not God, mean don't know anything about God
That's the boundary of Christian communion. But that isn't up for discussion with the Muslims.
 
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I think I read somewhere that the community that gathered around Christ was called 'The Way". Sounds too sixties hippy for me but that's what I read.
The Way was a phrase used to represent those who were being persecuted to death men and woman according tp a law of the fathers .It can be seen in Catholicism same manner of spirit . men requiring other men that a man must teach them as venerable . later when Saul had been born again as Paul the first denomination or sect is given called the Nazarene denomination or The Way as those they persecuted to death

They we now had Paul on the #1 wanted dead or alive. Hoping he would revert back to a law of the fathers . They tried to prove sola scriptura (all things written in the law and the prophets was a heresy and that Paul against must get under a law of the fathers. But Paul rather that worshiping a legion of fathers as if they were a our one father in heaven Paul declare he worshiped the actual unseen God of the fathers turning thing right side up .Inspired from heaven not earthly of the fathers.

Saul as member of fathers had all the right credential and had a zeal for God but not by faith the unseen eternal . But a pagan zeal out of sight out of mind . Kill the misperceived competition No God in their hearts but rather a law of corruotible men . No faith from hearing God .

Acts 22 :3-5 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day. And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women. As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished.

Acts 24:5-6 For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes: Who also hath gone about to profane the temple: whom we took, and would have judged according to our law.

Acts 24::12-14 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

He did not worship or venerate the fathers as if they were gods in the likeness of men .The pagan foundation .

Those who did walk by sight . . out of sight out of mind walked away in unbelief no faith coming from sola scriptura.

One reforming authority the Bible .Not two the law of the fathers.
 
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That's the boundary of Christian communion. But that isn't up for discussion with the Muslims.
The Muslims like the Catholics have another source of faith other than as it is written in the law and the prophets.(Christ's faith that works in the believer). Also referred to as sola scriptura..

Muslims have the Koran .as a law of men (oral tradition) Catholic have the book of the law of the fathers.(oral tradition) No man can serve two teaching masters.

Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
 
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Now the honest thing for the Catholic Church and particularly Pope Francis would have been to tell both Muslims and Jews that Christians DO NOT worship the same God, therefore there is no common ground.
You don't believe The Jewish people believed in the same God as Jesus believed?
 

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Yeah, that oath is bogus. According to this book the oath is supposedly from the Knights of Columbus oath. The KoC did not exist until the 19th century so why they are being referred to in a Jesuit Oath makes no sense. I am no defender of the Jesuits but spreading (even unintentionally) false information doesn't help the cause of Truth. The oath begins on page 18.

https://archive.org/details/4thdegreeoathofk00wats/page/18/mode/2up
So you admit that knight of Columbus have that satanic oath
You have to Google what knight Columbus relate to vatican

This is one of hundred of the article how close vatican to kof C

http://www.kofc.org/en/news/releases/20101116VaticantvTruck.html

You think vatican don't know k of C oath but you know It?

Than you know more than vatican

My brother, jesuit have similar oath with k of C that is why vatican alley with k of C

Both of them are satanic and luciferian
 

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So you admit that knight of Columbus have that satanic oath
You have to Google what knight Columbus relate to vatican

This is one of hundred of the article how close vatican to kof C

http://www.kofc.org/en/news/releases/20101116VaticantvTruck.html

You think vatican don't know k of C oath but you know It?

Than you know more than vatican

My brother, jesuit have similar oath with k of C that is why vatican alley with k of C

Both of them are satanic and luciferian
Roman Catholics are instructed to lie about the Jesuit oath ..