You came to the conversation not having a clue that Constatine Donated the land for Vatican City, and built the Basilicas, and your now the authority, (Big Smiles) 
Is Catholicism the Oldest Christian Faith?
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My question for sources was about the "all expenses paid" bit, not the land donations. And what you posted in regard to that seems to me that you misunderstood what the article said. The history of the church is an area of interest to me, though I wouldn't call myself an expert.
In post #530 I stated in a portion that Constatine Donated the land for Vatican City and Built St Peters Basilica.
In post #532 you asked for a source on my claims, because you didn't have a clue on the afore mentioned, just admit it
In post #532 you asked for a source on my claims, because you didn't have a clue on the afore mentioned, just admit it
Um, not exactly all expenses. Eusebius observed:
Then as if to bring a divine array against this enemy, he convoked a general council, and invited the speedy attendance of bishops from all quarters, in letters expressive of the honorable estimation in which he held them. Nor was this merely the issuing of a bare command but the emperor’s good will contributed much to its being carried into effect: for he allowed some the use of the public means of conveyance, while he afforded to others an ample supply of horses for their transport.
Eusebius of Caesaria. (1890). The Life of the Blessed Emperor Constantine. In P. Schaff & H. Wace (Eds.), E. C. Richardson (Trans.), Eusebius: Church History, Life of Constantine the Great, and Oration in Praise of Constantine (Vol. 1, p. 521). New York: Christian Literature Company.
There was no state church in 325. Constantine did not make Christianity the state religion. Theodosius I did that some 60 years later.
If you are referring to the Donation of Constantine, that is a forgery. The land that was 'donated" was far greater than just the land on Vatican Hill. The Papacy wound up controlling a large swath of territory in the central Italian peninsula until the 1870's.
Which body would that be?
Then as if to bring a divine array against this enemy, he convoked a general council, and invited the speedy attendance of bishops from all quarters, in letters expressive of the honorable estimation in which he held them. Nor was this merely the issuing of a bare command but the emperor’s good will contributed much to its being carried into effect: for he allowed some the use of the public means of conveyance, while he afforded to others an ample supply of horses for their transport.
Eusebius of Caesaria. (1890). The Life of the Blessed Emperor Constantine. In P. Schaff & H. Wace (Eds.), E. C. Richardson (Trans.), Eusebius: Church History, Life of Constantine the Great, and Oration in Praise of Constantine (Vol. 1, p. 521). New York: Christian Literature Company.
There was no state church in 325. Constantine did not make Christianity the state religion. Theodosius I did that some 60 years later.
If you are referring to the Donation of Constantine, that is a forgery. The land that was 'donated" was far greater than just the land on Vatican Hill. The Papacy wound up controlling a large swath of territory in the central Italian peninsula until the 1870's.
Which body would that be?
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Far more thorough than I'm willing to be with him. Thank you for your attention to detail. Do you have any recommendations for general historical overviews that are good? I've read Zondervan's church history finding a lot of value in volume 1 but volume 2 seemed too close to modern disputes for me to get past the biases.
Because it would have been a substantial error. The issues you mentioned just don't carry much weight . Three Popes Babylon, perhaps the Chair was even vacant? Not an unsurpassable problem.
I really do believe what was given Peter was from the Father. The issues that you mentioned don't carry the weight you think they should.
I really do believe what was given Peter was from the Father. The issues that you mentioned don't carry the weight you think they should.
