Is Catholicism the Oldest Christian Faith?

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Jackson123

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Why do people stray from it if it were the original Christian doctrine? How does one know one's Christian walk is true with thousands of Christian sects each purporting to be the truth and damning other sects to hell? Why do we put so much faith in our own opinions and call it God's opinion? Doesn't Christianity claim value to humility? How does thinking our opinion is God's opinion classify as such?
The original doctrine of Christianity is documented in the Bible. Base on the Bible catholic stray from original Christianity, for example pray to Mary, believe in Jesus may come as alien etc
 

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Why do people stray from it if it were the original Christian doctrine? How does one know one's Christian walk is true with thousands of Christian sects each purporting to be the truth and damning other sects to hell? Why do we put so much faith in our own opinions and call it God's opinion? Doesn't Christianity claim value to humility? How does thinking our opinion is God's opinion classify as such?
God's ways are higher than our ways. An opinion is just that, an opinion and not necessarily a statement of fact and often is not. Jesus said that where 2 or 3 are gathered in His name He will be in the midst of them. That's the true church. Damning other denominations or sects to hell is an act of arrogance. You will know that your Christian walk is true because, if not, the Holy Spirit will convict you on this.
 

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From my limited associating with Catholics, I have concluded that most are very good people that have been brained washed so as to believe a false doctrine and worship the pope.
Very sad indeed.
I was born and raised a Catholic and while I no longer attend mass I have never met a Catholic that worshiped the pope.
 

SoulWeaver

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Don’t Roman Catholics believe that a Priest can forgive their sins?
Always putting that middle man in. Never to allow people to go to Christ directly...

One of the main reasons I quit Eastern Orthodox, after I questioned a theologian on this, praying to Mary and other things.

He told me the mystery of confession is built upon the verse "confess your sins one to another". Well not to a priest. But if I offended you I go to you. What's a priest got to do with this to be mixed in. We make peace with our brethren privately as Christ says elsewhere.

Then he tried to sell me the special authority for binding and loosing.
So laymen believers according to them have the Home version of the Holy Spirit residing in them, and priests have Professional version unlocked with all admin options, while church leaders probably have Server version.

It's controlling, ridiculous and an offense to intelligence. The power of God's is absolute and unchanging, wherever He appears.

This of course isn't to mean there aren't Catholics or Eastern Orthodox who are saved. I am just saying why am I not a Catholic. My best friend is Orthodox, we have no issues over differences nor is she a lesser Christian in any way
 

crossnote

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Is Catholicism the Oldest Christian Faith?
Why do people stray from it if it were the original Christian doctrine?
It isn't. The Scriptures were given to the Prophets long before any Popes.
How does one know one's Christian walk is true with thousands of Christian sects each purporting to be the truth and damning other sects to hell?
Scripture determines that.
Why do we put so much faith in our own opinions and call it God's opinion?
Do you do that?
Doesn't Christianity claim value to humility?
We are humbled when we yield our opinions to the truth of God's Word.
How does thinking our opinion is God's opinion classify as such?
Hopefully Christians don't exalt their opinions to the status of God's Word.

What is your opinion?
 

wattie

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Why do people attack Catholics as false, when we're the mutant spawn that arose from the original church? How does one reconcile their beliefs knowing that Catholicism came first?
The original church?

That would be the first NT assembly of Jesus and His disciples.

Catholicism comes much later.

Also consider the history of churches that were nick named 'ana baptists' meaning 're-baptises' . Their history goes back before Catholicism
 

garee

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Why do people stray from it if it were the original Christian doctrine? How does one know one's Christian walk is true with thousands of Christian sects each purporting to be the truth and damning other sects to hell? Why do we put so much faith in our own opinions and call it God's opinion? Doesn't Christianity claim value to humility? How does thinking our opinion is God's opinion classify as such?
The original Christian doctrine is the word of God that he works in us who then can believe. Having obeyed the loving commandment.Not just a good suggestion but one needed to seek after him who has no form. Catholicism must seek the approval of men seen (the foundation of necromancy )

Catholisim, the non Christian doctrine follows the a laws of men called a "law of the fathers, or kings" An abomination of desolation. .That law of men makes the law of God as it is written without effect.

Those who walk after the temporal what the eyes. They try their best to make (sola scriptura ) all things written in the law and the prophets without effect to keep their own written law as oral tradition of corruptible men.

Catholicism went out from us and they remain on the outside .No grace.

Paul turned the things like the laws of men upside down turning by and through as it is written. turning it right side up .
Rather than worshiping our Father in heaven not seen by faith they worshiped the fathers (apostolic succession ) seen setting up a order to lord it over the non venerable pew sitters. And destroying the meaning of the word apostle.

Acts 24: 5-6 For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes: Who also hath gone about to profane the temple: whom we took, and would have judged according to our law.

Our law above. . . .the oral traditions of men by which they simply kill the mispercived competition (out of sight out of mind) the foundation of the law of the fathers

Acts 24: 13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call "heresy", so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

learning how to walk by faith removes the wall of blindness which is putting ones total faith in the things seen the temporal.

Keep up the faith that comes from above (not seen) and then we have no reason to walk by sight earthly inspired of the devil. And his upside down campaign to make the word of God without effect. .

Sola scriptura the reforming restoring authority in any generation or family where two or three do gather together in his name. He is there working in us .

That faith is missing completely in Catholicism. . . another Christ as a daysman, a false teaching authority (anti)
 

ForestGreenCook

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Why do people attack Catholics as false, when we're the mutant spawn that arose from the original church? How does one reconcile their beliefs knowing that Catholicism came first?
Sorry for your misconception, but The church that Christ set up existed before there ever was the Catholic church. According to the history of the church, The church had a split, due to two of the elders disagreeing over adding some practices to the church other than singing, preaching and praying, to attract more people. The larger part of the congregation went with the elder that wanted the added practices, and they grew so large that the Roman government became afraid they would overthrow them, and incorporated them as part of the Roman government which evolved into the Roman Catholic Church. The RCC set out to eradicate the original church, which Paul took part in until he was converted on the road to Damascus. The true church remains to this day as a small group, referred to as the remnant, that still holds to the practice of singing, acapella, preaching and praying.
 
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Catholics are NOT Christians (this includes: JW, SDA, Mormons, and many more). The RCC believe that the Blood of Jesus wasn't good enough. They believe you must go to this make believe purgatory in hell before you go to Heaven; the more money you give them, they will pray each body part out from purgatory. The Methodist Church is splitting over same-sex marriage and gay pastors in the pullpit.
 

JohnRH

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Why do people stray from it if it were the original Christian doctrine? How does one know one's Christian walk is true with thousands of Christian sects each purporting to be the truth and damning other sects to hell? Why do we put so much faith in our own opinions and call it God's opinion? Doesn't Christianity claim value to humility? How does thinking our opinion is God's opinion classify as such?
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1 Tim 2:5 (KJV)
 

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Why do people stray from it if it were the original Christian doctrine? How does one know one's Christian walk is true with thousands of Christian sects each purporting to be the truth and damning other sects to hell? Why do we put so much faith in our own opinions and call it God's opinion? Doesn't Christianity claim value to humility? How does thinking our opinion is God's opinion classify as such?
Roman catholism is NOT a Christian faith.. It is a works based bondage cult masqurading as being Christian..
 

Dave-L

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Roman catholism is NOT a Christian faith.. It is a works based bondage cult masqurading as being Christian..
We must say the same of all Free Will based attempts at Christianity if we say it of the Catholics.
 

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We must say the same of all Free Will based attempts at Christianity if we say it of the Catholics.
Nope.. Free will is just basic observational fact.. Unless you are a deluded calvinist and believe we are all zombies without free will and nothing we do comes from our own minds.. It really sickens me when people who cannot think of anything else like cavinists try and turn every thread into a cavinist pushing thread..

There are many false religions masquerading as being Christian.. There is one Way to eternity with God but many alternative paths leading to the eternal lake of fire.. It seems that this forum is being inundated with false preachers.. I can understand why the moderators / owners of this site tolerate sinless in the flesh pushers and calvinists.. But allowing Roman catholics in here to push their evil is bejond me..

They are flooding this place.. it's getting to the point where Christian with Christian fellowship and growth in the knowledge of salvation can no longer happen because of the shear numbers of enemies of the Gospel being allowed to flood this place with false doctrines.. Christians have to spend their time fighting deceivers on here rather then leading genuine seekers to salvation..

It sickens me to the point of wanting to leave and try and find a place where the owner / moderators don't put up with such promotion of false doctrines..
 

Dave-L

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Nope.. Free will is just basic observational fact.. Unless you are a deluded calvinist and believe we are all zombies without free will and nothing we do comes from our own minds.. It really sickens me when people who cannot think of anything else like cavinists try and turn every thread into a cavinist pushing thread..

There are many false religions masquerading as being Christian.. There is one Way to eternity with God but many alternative paths leading to the eternal lake of fire.. It seems that this forum is being inundated with false preachers.. I can understand why the moderators / owners of this site tolerate sinless in the flesh pushers and calvinists.. But allowing Roman catholics in here to push their evil is bejond me..

They are flooding this place.. it's getting to the point where Christian with Christian fellowship and growth in the knowledge of salvation can no longer happen because of the shear numbers of enemies of the Gospel being allowed to flood this place with false doctrines.. Christians have to spend their time fighting deceivers on here rather then leading genuine seekers to salvation..

It sickens me to the point of wanting to leave and try and find a place where the owner / moderators don't put up with such promotion of false doctrines..
Free Will drives Catholicism and you are no different. They have physical sacraments you must choose to take in order to save yourself. You have assumed spiritual sacraments you must choose to take in order to save yourself. It's the pot calling the kettle black.
 

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Free Will drives Catholicism and you are no different. They have physical sacraments you must choose to take in order to save yourself. You have assumed spiritual sacraments you must choose to take in order to save yourself. It's the pot calling the kettle black.
As an ex-catholic who renounced that evil religion i take this post as a special low level of false accusation insult.. You are now on my ignore list..
 

Dave-L

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Catholicism VS Protestanism and Evangelicalism or Pentecostalism. If your church teaches Free Will salvation, you are no different in the end.

Free Will drives Catholicism and you are no different. They have physical sacraments you must choose to take in order to save yourself. You have assumed spiritual sacraments you must choose to take in order to save yourself. It's the pot calling the kettle black.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Christianity came first, actually. Christianity comes from Jesus, and He was here long before any of us were. :)

Sorry but catholicism is not Christianity. Many catholics use rosaries and pray to Mary, among other things. Christians don't do that..
Why do you come to a site that views Catholicism as heretical
IS THIS THE OFFICIAL POSITION OF CHRISTIAN CHAT?

That Catholics are NOT Christian?
 

Magenta

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IS THIS THE OFFICIAL POSITION OF CHRISTIAN CHAT?

That Catholics are NOT Christian?
Hello Lucy :) I did not say that Catholics are not Christian. If you had quoted just my post to ask for confirmation, I could answer yes, the official position of CC is that Catholicism is heretical. Catholicism being viewed as heretical, however, does not equate to there being no Christians within their ranks.
 
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Also consider the history of churches that were nick named 'ana baptists' meaning 're-baptises' . Their history goes back before Catholicism
Oh, not this rubbish again.
Not a catholic, but the ones referred to as re-baptisers in the pre-Reformation world were either:
a)various flavours of donatism, that considered the mainstream church to lack valid Sacraments, due to being lost by former traditores, and the ones tolerating them;
b)various flavours of gnostics, that rejected trinitarian baptism due to their religions being extra-weird mystery cults;

So it wasn't a question of rejecting pedobaptism in favour of credobaptism, but rejecting all baptism performed by mainstream churches entirely.