Is debating equally acceptable amongst genders?

[Lafftur]

The above quotes taken out of you post point to the reason many woman cannot deal with debate.. You yourself spent nearly half of your post walking over egg shells knowing all to well the potential for some woman to emotionally over react...

It is laborious and stressful to need to walk on egg shells all the time around woman.. Constantly trying to defend oneself from accusations of being a misogynists and having toxic masculinity for simply stating a belief / position on a topic.. I have experienced it on the few topics here..

It is good when you are in a discussion with a woman who understands and appreciates guys who state what they believe and why they believe it without all the shallow tinsel and cotton wool speak that just clutters a post when all you want is to get to the point efficiently so you can reply back with your observations and counter thoughts..

Yeah i know there are some woman who will read this post and get all offended and upset..

Such is life..

That’s funny! I know a few “males” that get their feathers ruffled too! Lol!

I really like post #31 by @MattforJesus - gender is only flesh deep. Souls have no gender and in heaven we are neither male or female.

I find that I keep thinking about Deborah under the palm tree .......

She didn’t seem to me to be an emotional female or macho man, she did not operate in her flesh concerning the things of God, instead she operated in her non-gender soul/spirit - lead by the Holy Spirit.

Barak was not acting as a macho man, yet he refused to go to battle without Deborah.

Was Barak operating in His non-gender soul/spirit - being lead by the Holy Spirit or his flesh?

Was Barak focused on God? the enemy? Deborah? or himself?

Deborah answered that because of this, the enemy would be killed by a woman.........

I wonder what God was trying to tell us when He chose Deborah and Barak as an object lesson for us.......

God has no pleasure in the flesh. Pertaining to the things of God, we are NEVER to operate in our flesh.

HOWEVER, here’s the other sign of the coin.........

Yeshua/Jesus, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob/Israel, 12 tribes of Israel and the 12 disciples are all male in the flesh. Hmmmm..........

So, what was God trying to tell us about gender concerning all the males chosen as building blocks?

Yet God doesn’t allow men to multiply without women......nor women without men....... I suppose God made it that we actually need each other........

So, I’d just say God has an incredible sense of humor and I enjoy laughing with Him immensely!! LOL!

 

[Adstar]

Yet God doesn’t allow men to multiply without women......nor women without men....... I suppose God made it that we actually need each other........

Don't ever let a third wave feminist catch you saying that ..
In their mind woman need men as much as fish need bicycles..

 

[Lafftur]

I think we all know it says for women to not usurp authority from men for good reasons

breno785au, please correct me if I am wrong, BUT it appears you have addressed the “flesh nature” of a woman usurping power over a man by sensuality - lusting for power as security and control.

We are NOT talking about the flesh. We are on a higher level where there is no male or female - Jesus/Yeshua is Lord and ALL of us (male and female) submit to Him.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Silence can be a way of communicating too.

I have noticed men dont enjoy being corrected but watch out if they are in authority they can just change the rules. I dont make the rules here. Some men have a big ego, but if they puffed up with pride maybe there needs to be a little deflation, yet wouldnt you use gentle correction?

Proverbs 21:9 says its better to live on a corner of a roof than to share a house with a quarrelsome wife.

Debating doesnt get anybody into the Kingdom. Loving them does.

oh I agree

however, it is very often not a postive form of communication

as far as debating goes, no one is going to make you 'debate'

and no one said if you debate people will be saved. the whole thing is entirely your choice and no one here forces you to participate

there are chat rooms and so on and other forums here. whatever you want

 

[7seasrekeyed]

breno785au, please correct me if I am wrong, BUT it appears you have addressed the “flesh nature” of a woman usurping power over a man by sensuality - lusting for power as security and control.

We are NOT talking about the flesh. We are on a higher level where there is no male or female - Jesus/Yeshua is Lord and ALL of us (male and female) submit to Him.

thing is, seems that does not happen a whole awful lot

I didn't think much of his remark either and not worth addressing frankly. I was very spoiled by my dad. He just didn't make remarks like that about women and he was always supportive... you know, I think he is about the only man who ever loved me just for myself

well Jesus too

the problem there, is that you think men are going to be different than how most of them seem to be and you get hurt

 

[garee]

breno785au, please correct me if I am wrong, BUT it appears you have addressed the “flesh nature” of a woman usurping power over a man by sensuality - lusting for power as security and control.

We are NOT talking about the flesh. We are on a higher level where there is no male or female - Jesus/Yeshua is Lord and ALL of us (male and female) submit to Him.

Amen we look to the eternal not seen not the temporal seen . The woman not to teach a man must be defined just exactly what they are not to teach men . Surely not the gospel which is for both genders equally . Two by two .

The word teach as to hoe God defines it must be defined. And remember we are to call no man or woman on earth master teacher for one is our teacher not seen. We preach Christ not mankind.( Men and woman)

The teaching had more to do with the "time of reformation". Women previously when there was Kings in Israel. God having given them over to do that which they should not of was temporal .Women were forbidden from participating in ceremonial laws .There was a wall 15 foot high in the woman's courts that prevented them from even seeing the work. Just as in a lower place the court of the gentiles keeping them separate .

That wall was broken down, woman were elevated to the proper equal position of the husband . Just as the gentile were allowed to participate.

It was a great time tribulation like never before or ever again.

The new testament ordinance or ceremonial law of the head of hair un-converted for the man to represent the glory of Christ not seen. Giving man woman as the glory of man as man a representive Glory of God ,with the hair as the glory of the woman... not leaving her without a representative glory of here own her hair covered together was to be used as a one representative glory so the angel who are not subject to the gospel can work with the new creation as a proper way to understand which denomination. That part of the two part ceremonial law (breaking of the bread that points to our wedding supper in the new heavens and earth that was also used to represent the glory of God not seen Has all been turned into a fashion statement for women. The same reason for not using gold or precious other elements in their hair That could distract from why they are gathered together. A sack cloth or burlap would work the best

Man is not to teach a woman about relations just as women are not to teach a man . They have husbands and wife's at home to help them try and resolve conflicts . The teaching cannot be the gospel . Even the Son of man Jesus would not take the place of the teaching authority that comes from the father, When called good teaching "master? .Jesus gave glory to the father un-seen and said only God (not seen is good)

No man can serve two teaching masters .the flesh and the Spirit. woman have the same responsibility to prophesy declare the gospel as men . Again the time of reformation has come.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Viva la difference

 

[maxwel]

I thick if we have respect for other members, appreciate their strengths, do not spend our time harassing others, this can be a great place to debate, learn, grow and make friends. Regardless of gender.

Learn, grow and make friends... and don't spend time harassing others?

Next you'll say we should be praying for our enemies instead of stabbing them.


There goes Angela... with her crazy ideas.

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[Nehemiah6]

Viva la difference

Don't combine French and Italian, since neither group will be happy. Vive la difference.

 

[Angela53510]

Don't combine French and Italian, since neither group will be happy. Vive la difference.

Oui, c'est vrai!

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Don't combine French and Italian, since neither group will be happy. Vive la difference.

Is this guy for real????

 

[Angela53510]

Is this guy for real????

Ahh, mais oui! C'est important! On ne peut pas jamais combiner deux langues, come le français et l'italien. C'est méprisable.

 

[Grandpa]

Ahh, mais oui! C'est important! On ne peut pas jamais combiner deux langues, come le français et l'italien. C'est méprisable.

I had 4 years of high school French. That pretty much makes me an expert. I will translate this into English...

Oh, (something) yes! Very important! One must not combine two languages, like French and Italian. Its very (something) (probably bad)

 

[Angela53510]

I had 4 years of high school French. That pretty much makes me an expert. I will translate this into English...

Oh, (something) yes! Very important! One must not combine two languages, like French and Italian. Its very (something) (probably bad)

Pardon me, comme, needs two m's. I blame auto-spell correct. And you are very close! C'est is "there is" but, your dynamic translation certainly works.

 

[tourist]

You know, I hadn't thought about that. It is an open forum and there is nothing suggesting which gender we are unless we choose to make it clear.
Hmmmm, so perhaps leading with our genders isn't important, not even relevant here, that our goal should be to lead with Him.

I love your idea of closure. However. I think anyone saying or suggesting one position was substantiated more than another, would only be welcomed by the ones who won the argument. But the opposing sides would not agree and then on and on. If that were possible, wouldn't that be nice? I just think that would start the debates all over. I mean how often do we change our positions? I have wanted to ask that, Nehemiah. I would love to know how many here have changed their minds on stuff.

I have changed my position on a certain point possibly once or twice in the BDF in the 4+ years I have been a member. It is rare for a member to change a position based on the various threads and posts in the BDF. It is important though not to belittle someone who has a different opinion than yourself. You are setting an excellent example of forum decorum and that is most refreshing and something to be emulated.

 

[CharliRenee]

I have changed my position on a certain point possibly once or twice in the BDF in the 4+ years I have been a member. It is rare for a member to change a position based on the various threads and posts in the BDF. It is important though not to belittle someone who has a different opinion than yourself. You are setting an excellent example of forum decorum and that is most refreshing and something to be emulated.

Grinning Brother, thank you so very much. You are an excellent example yourself. I hope we point to Him always, in all that we say and do, because we owe our all to the One who set the best example, Ever, our Lord and Savior. Btw Tourist, nice knowing you changed your mind, that the different threads can broaden our minds and maybe our Faiths.

 

[Lambster]

I agree 100%. This is not an equality issue or at least it wasn't meant to be. I just wondered if debates amongst genders, especially heated ones, cross into or preaching or teaching lines.

Deade your relationship with your with your wife shows the kind of marriage He wants from us. I definitely agree women have leadership roles.

I agree that women of valor is a beautiful God centered way I long to be. I do wonder why you think this, though.

have no doubt that the Christian females operating within their God given roles, will be rewarded greater, in the kingdom, than the men

We should seek to do God's Holy Will, not our own will. Feminism has taught women that their roles are lesser and to pursue men's roles as greater and more privileged. Eve listened to the serpent more readily and brought destruction on man by seduction. Women are far more vulnerable to the voice of the serpent and lure others away from God, convincing others into error. That is why women should fear headship roles, it is a gift granted to Adam and implanted in His nature, not something he took unlawfully to himself.

 

[CharliRenee]

We should seek to do God's Holy Will, not our own will. Feminism has taught women that their roles are lesser and to pursue men's roles as greater and more privileged. Eve listened to the serpent more readily and brought destruction on man by seduction. Women are far more vulnerable to the voice of the serpent and lure others away from God, convincing others into error. That is why women should fear headship roles, it is a gift granted to Adam and implanted in His nature, not something he took unlawfully to himself.

So you believe they, women, are taking leadership or headship if they speak up in a debate?

 

[Lanolin]

oh I agree

however, it is very often not a postive form of communication

as far as debating goes, no one is going to make you 'debate'

and no one said if you debate people will be saved. the whole thing is entirely your choice and no one here forces you to participate

there are chat rooms and so on and other forums here. whatever you want

Yea I just get very bored easily when all the talk just goes round in circles. Someone might have won a debate, like it was boxing match with opponents, but I missed it...who was fighting who again? ..ahhh nevermind.

 

[Lambster]

So you believe they, women, are taking leadership or headship if they speak up in a debate?

Debates are an educational tool devised by men that can denote a teaching role or a student role. It depends how on how it is conducted.
Mostly I see it as possible source of pride and contension for women and proverbs 21:19 talks about the contentious woman. It's gender appropriation for women to debate, this is something invented by men and has certain rules established by men.

It's not women's role to be contentious in a peaceful Christian society, nor should it be institutionalised as a norm.

I remember my great grandmother as the image of woman's gift, her serenity, humility and gentleness won far more than any debate could. Men and women alike surrounded her with a certain reverence. She was a place of great peace and calm even in times of terrible turmoil. She practiced a loving silence that could have only come from Christ.

Women should conduct themselves with virtue, however today all this is gone, even among believing women, women war with their tongues, cause unimaginable suffering and devastation with their words.
Let men contend and do not partake of these occasions of pride and sin.

The Mona Lisa is the most admired woman in the world and she has said absolutely nothing.

What if women chose the better part and sat silently before the Lord in the present moment. What wellsprings of peace and blessing they could be, in their fixed attention on the Lord.

Rather than women practicing debates, they should practice baking cakes and closing their pie holes. I say this jokingly, yet women today must understand that virtue makes the Lady. Yet no woman actively works on the attainment of virtue, if they even knew how or what it even is. Who even preaches it?

Debate is contention with winners and losers, why practice contention and not virtue, what better prize does debate offer that bests virtue.

I see mostly only contentious women today, they will do anything to win and have the last word, very few have prudence and temperance of speech. Does the world have enough loud and opinionated women.