Is drinking alcohol a sin?

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shad

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1Cor 3:16,17
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1Cor 6:19,20
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

2Cor 6:16
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

1Thes 5:23
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

There is no problem with these verses that tell us that our body is the temple of God and that the Holy Spirit (who is God) dwells in us. The portion of scripture you refer to in Mt 15:17-20 is speaking of a man being defiled by that which proceeds out of the heart. This is why we are to guard our heart in Prov 4:21-23 for out of it flow the issues of life (of the old man Adam). The word 'keep' is nastar (verb)- meaning to guard and watch over.

In 1Thes 5:23 the word 'preserve' is tereo (verb)- and has the same meaning as nastar above. So we are to watch over our body and guard it against that which can defile it. This word does not mean just to preserve inwardly but also outwardly, knowing also that our outward man is perishing, we are to also preserve that, to be in good health even as your soul prospers / 2Cor 4:16, 3Jn 1:2.

We understand the that our body is the temple of God and defilement of that temple comes from what proceeds out of the heart, which are the works of the flesh / Gal 2:19-21, Mt 5:19,20. The practical side of destroying the temple (or body) is not preserving it. When you smoke tobacco and your body dies from cancer that is by not preserving your body. When you consume too much alcohol over a period of years and your body dies from a hardened liver, that is not preserving your body. When you do the same with pharmaceutical drugs (legal or otherwise) and your body suffers the adverse effects and dies prematurely, that is not preserving your body. If you continue to live in some form of fornication and sin against your body and come down with a disease that kills your body, that is not preserving your body. If you subject your body to a diet with loads of cholesterol, saturated fat and a lack of live enzymes and amino acids with little or no exercise, that could be a deadly combination for your heart and when that goes so goes the body or the temple.

Do we want to encourage believers or anyone to smoke, to drink alcoholic beverages, to consume excessive amounts and combinations of pharmaceuticals, to stay on unhealthy diets and tell them that it will not defile their body and temple that God resides? Would that be wisdom, knowing what we know in the days that we live in? Wisdom is the application of knowledge and knowledge moves us out of the avenue of ignorance and stupidity.

If you are a believer, knowing what we know today about the harmful effects of smoking, and you continue to smoke tobacco and take in over 50 carcinogens (toxic poisons with over (4000) chemical compounds created) into your body every single day, that is sin because you know what it can do to you and it is a good thing not to do / James 4:17. Do you think that God is going to give you grace as you continue to smoke or do these other things that are killing off your body? And you risk dying early from cancer and other related causes. That is not wisdom and it is absolutely defiling the temple and body that God has given you. No one is judging you but you are certainly judging your body and using it as a cesspool for toxic waste.

Does this condemn you or convict you? Either way, you should stop it all together and get your body on a path of recovery. Remember this, there are plenty of professionals out there to help you and God has plenty of grace to give you strength and help in the time of need. For anyone to tell or suggest that these things do not defile the body lacks wisdom and understanding.
 

Stuey

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For those of you who say alcohol is stupid and are Condemning people for drinking it. You are being unbiblical.

Moderation is key, if you choose not to drink, good for you. It's a wise choice, but so is drinking in moderation.

If drinking alcohol is sinful, why did jesus drink wine? As for someone who commented you don't know friends who haven't gone to excess - well... I do know christians who drink, enjoy it and haven't Ever gone to excess.

So don't go around condemning people with your own personal views that are not scripturally based, the bible both states the good things about alcohol and warns about overconsumption, don't pretend there is only one side to it.
 
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MightyLionOfJuda

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If drinking alcohol is sinful, why did jesus drink wine? As for someone who commented you don't know friends who haven't gone to excess - well... I do know christians who drink, enjoy it and haven't Ever gone to excess.
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you have no proof that the wine Jesus made was alcoholic and I dont believe it was.Moderation with everything is not Biblical nor is it correct.Yes that must be why we are told not to look upon strong drink because Jesus himself drank it,it makes perfect sense.Give me a break! And just for the record alcohol in any amount is stupid and unnecessary
 
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Graybeard

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As a pastor if I was caught drinking a beer and offended one of my members and caused them to backslide and become apostate.......
What did I accomplish by drinking that beer thinking it was not wrong???
Try educating some on these forums about this principle, I have and they just don't see it!
basically what they say is they are not their brothers keeper.
 
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Graybeard

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If drinking alcohol is sinful, why did jesus drink wine? As for someone who commented you don't know friends who haven't gone to excess - well... I do know christians who drink, enjoy it and haven't Ever gone to excess.
where does it actually say in scripture that Jesus drank wine??..I'm curious, because everyone users this as an excuse to drink.
 
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greatkraw

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the fact is when the Jews celebrate passover they use vintage wine

they did in Jesus day
 
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shad

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Here is an observation only. When we take the word of God, which is spiritual and the most powerful commodity in heaven and earth, and by faith apply it practically to the details of life, that is when people have all kinds of problems with it. If you leave God's word as spiritual and don't apply and mix faith with it in the details of life / Heb 4:2, then people can live any way they want with that, privately interpret it, express their opinions about it and do as they please because it remains subjective and never becomes objective in the details of life. The word of God was never given and is never sent in vain or to return void because it is sent to accomplish what it has been sent to do / Is 55:11. The greatest example or exemplar of this is recorded in John 1:14;

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

also, 1Tim 3:16;

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Jesus taught us that those that worship the Father must worship in Spirit and truth and these are the true worshipers that the Father seeks / John 4:23,24. True worship before the Father is when we live by every word of God through the Spirit. Worship is learning doctrine, hiding the word in our heart, mixing faith with it in the details of life, having the Spirit guide us into all truth and being filled with the life of God that continually glorifies Him by making an invisible God visible / Rom 1:19,20, Col 1:15,16, Heb 11:27, 2Cor 3:2,3, 2Cor 4:10,11, 2Tim 1:10, 1Jn 4:17.
 

Stuey

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you have no proof that the wine Jesus made was alcoholic and I dont believe it was.Moderation with everything is not Biblical nor is it correct.Yes that must be why we are told not to look upon strong drink because Jesus himself drank it,it makes perfect sense.Give me a break! And just for the record alcohol in any amount is stupid and unnecessary
the fact is when the Jews celebrate passover they use vintage wine

they did in Jesus day
Non-alcoholic wine is a modern day invention I'm pretty sure, saying that jesus drank non-alcoholic wine is fairly ridiculous and it's interepreting the bible as you would like to interpret it, not looking for what it really means.

If alcohol is inherently evil, how do you explain verses like this? This is just a random one I found while looking for the one about jesus drinking wine, there are plenty more.

Zechariah 10:7
The Ephraimites will become like mighty men, and their hearts will be glad as with wine. Their children will see it and be joyful; their hearts will rejoice in the LORD.

This is one of the verses refering to jesus drinking wine, it's Mark 24.

" 24"This is my blood of the[b] covenant, which is poured out for many," he said to them. 25"I tell you the truth, I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it anew in the kingdom of God.""


All this being said - your stance on not drinking alcohol is good, and if you think that you can't drink in moderation, it's fantastic, but you shouldn't be judging & condemning others who do drink it in moderation.

Wine is a blessing from god to be enjoyed responsibly, like all of his blessings.

Will prob write more later... bit pressed for time. :)
 
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There's nothing in the bible about what you put into your body defiling you or the temple. That idea is a modern day christian invention. It is what comes out eg heretic doctrines, evil heart etc that defiles the temple. What defiles comes from within, not what is put in from without.
There are many fine christians who happen to smoke but they are just as much christian as anyone else and aren't defiling the temple because that is a serious thing, much more serious than smoking cigarettes. It would also mean everytime you take a breath in a polluted city or walk past a diesel bus putting out bad fumes and breathing it in you are also defiling the temple. That's not right at all.
 
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Trina

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Let me first address the fact that some people feel that there was lesser alcohol content in the wine used in Jesus' time. Granted distillation did not exist, as far as we know.
The distillation process does enhance the alcohol content. However, the fermentation process produces enough alcohol to get drunk. In fact, the lower acohol levels for them would have been the same as our higher levels are for us. Let me explain.

Our bodies produce an enzyme called alcohol dehydrogenase, (AD), which detoxifies the alcohol we consume. It is the amounts of AD in our body, along with how much we have had to eat, that determines our vulnerability to getting drunk. Our size has nothing to do with it, that is a myth. Food in our stomach to dilute the alcohol is important because alcohol is one of just a few things that are absorbed directly from the stomach into our blood, most foods waiting till the intestines for absorbtion. The point is that the body responds to alcohol by producing AD. In the beginning, there is little to none, that why we get so drunk the first time we drink. Through time, our bodies slowly increases it's ability to produce AD. That is why people who have been drinking for years can drink more without getting drunk. The reduced amounts of AD in those people of Jesus' time (because it's production would not be stimulated as greatly), would mean that they would be just as able to get drunk on the lesser amounts of alcohol content, as we are. It is all relative!

Now consider the following verse. Jesus is speaking:

Luke 7: 33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, 'He has a demon.' 34 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." '

There is no way that an honest person can interpret this passage without the realization that Jesus admits to drinking fermented wine. If Jesus did it, it is NOT sin!
Personally, I don't agree with drinking at all. Some people think it is okay as long as we do not get drunk, but I don't think that. What would be the point in drinking at all if it isn't to get drunk or to feel a buzz off of the alcohol? It seems pretty pointless to me. Not only that, this can't be a good testimony of our faith to other people.
 
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MightyLionOfJuda

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There's nothing in the bible about what you put into your body defiling you or the temple. That idea is a modern day christian invention. It is what comes out eg heretic doctrines, evil heart etc that defiles the temple. What defiles comes from within, not what is put in from without.
There are many fine christians who happen to smoke but they are just as much christian as anyone else and aren't defiling the temple because that is a serious thing, much more serious than smoking cigarettes. It would also mean everytime you take a breath in a polluted city or walk past a diesel bus putting out bad fumes and breathing it in you are also defiling the temple. That's not right at all.

this coming from a man that says you need to be found blameless in the end .Smoking is not good and it is not a small issue as is drinking not a small issue.I wont be swept away by this ridiculous notion of letting these sins slide.Quit using your ridiculous scenarios to justify sin.God is not ever going to lead anyone to smoke because smoking is and in no way can be anything but a void filler that only Christ can fill and also leads to death and poor health.Ya ,if it causes lung cancer,terrible health,moodiness,lack of self control than it must be from God,how silly of me.:eek: My point is if it goes against what God would want for us we should not be doing it,its not a grey area but a bold black,black
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shad

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Personally, I don't agree with drinking at all. Some people think it is okay as long as we do not get drunk, but I don't think that. What would be the point in drinking at all if it isn't to get drunk or to feel a buzz off of the alcohol? It seems pretty pointless to me. Not only that, this can't be a good testimony of our faith to other people.

The above post is an example of simple truth coming from a pure heart with love and conviction. Oh, how I love to hear wisdom that come from a pure heart. The testimony that this young woman has given is undefiled. By not drinking alcohol you never run the risk of its pitfalls. No offending others, no stumbling, no regrets, no accidents from its use, no careless words spoken from under the influence, no playing around and putting yourself in compromising positions, no appearance of evil and no chance of long term use and going onto stronger drinks. Instead, you walk in the light, stay filled with the Spirit, you fellowship with God and other believers and you don't live in any superficial substitutes that are temporary and have no power to transform your life. Like she said, 'What's the point!'

Mt 5:16 'Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.'

Are we to think that drinking alcoholic wine is a good work for people to see? I don't think so, nor do I see it glorifying our Father in heaven, hallowed be His name?
 
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charisenexcelcis

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I think this issue dovetails into the issue of healing. I do not believe that drinking or smoking or overeating will keep you out of the kingdom of God. I wonder about this: if I overeat all of my life and fail to exercise and develop diabetes as a result of this, then I go to God and ask me for healing, is it reasonable that I should expect it? If you look at the root causes, most deaths in the United States are the result of these three things. I'm not saying that God won't heal me, but isn't there a responsibility that I have based on scripture to take care of my body.
 
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OK, so this has nothing to do with this thread but I really hate the issue of smoking, yes I agree it is not right but people are so quick to point a finger and jump all over someone who smokes. But they shrug off those who do far more damage to their spirit by feeding it things totally contrary to the Word and drive their air polluting vehicles adding to city pollution that everyone breathes in without a care...HYPOCRITES I say!....now don't you dare take another bite of that fast food you so like....:cool:
 
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you have no proof that the wine Jesus made was alcoholic and I dont believe it was.Moderation with everything is not Biblical nor is it correct.Yes that must be why we are told not to look upon strong drink because Jesus himself drank it,it makes perfect sense.Give me a break! And just for the record alcohol in any amount is stupid and unnecessary
well I have bought this up in here before but your remark

And just for the record alcohol in any amount is stupid and unnecessary
is even more stupid and unnecessary. for even the Bible says to drink a little wine for your stomach, the pastor is not to be given to wine while a deacon can have a little wine, if this is not fermented then why can a deacon to not given to MUCH wine, and a Bishop not have any wine are you saying that it is wrong for a pastor to drink Juice???? and then we have the same Bible that you claim make drinking a sin say,

Pr 31:6Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.Pr 31:7Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.

so I guess we drink enough grape juice it will help us forget our misery, and even if you say this is like a type of medicine which it is , doesn't this make your statement "And just for the record alcohol in any amount is stupid and unnecessary" go against scripture??

so you have a friend on their death bed, full of pain and you turn to the Word for help and u read proverbs 31:6 and it tell you to cause your friend to sin right before He is to meet God. I think Not what saith you?
 
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MightyLionOfJuda

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good point,I am not beyond correction throught the scriptures.I withdraw that statement but will not withdraw my belief that the majority of christians that casually drink are more susceptable to falling than one who chooses to withdraw entirely.
 
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Graybeard

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Pr 31:6Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.Pr 31:7Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
:eek:...:confused:....oookay, this is interesting, a "dangerous" scripture, how does one take this? because it could easily lead to a lot using this scripture as an excuse to drink, or even continuous drinking. I think one has to exercise wisdom to implement it. I can just see week Christians riding this one all the way.
what do others say about this?
 
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