Is faith a work?
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God never said he hated esau
Mal 1:
Yet Jacob I have loved;
3 But Esau I have hated,
And laid waste his mountains and his heritage
For the jackals of the wilderness.”
4 Even though Edom has said,
“We have been impoverished,
But we will return and build the desolate places,”
Thus says the Lord of hosts:
“They may build, but I will throw down;
They shall be called the Territory of Wickedness,
And the people against whom the Lord will have indignation forever.
5 Your eyes shall see,
And you shall say,
‘The Lord is magnified beyond the border of Israel.’
Esau is they, Esau is edom. Esau is not a baby born next to Jacob.
Again, You have failed to interpret romans 9 correctly
Mal 1:
Yet Jacob I have loved;
3 But Esau I have hated,
And laid waste his mountains and his heritage
For the jackals of the wilderness.”
4 Even though Edom has said,
“We have been impoverished,
But we will return and build the desolate places,”
Thus says the Lord of hosts:
“They may build, but I will throw down;
They shall be called the Territory of Wickedness,
And the people against whom the Lord will have indignation forever.
5 Your eyes shall see,
And you shall say,
‘The Lord is magnified beyond the border of Israel.’
Esau is they, Esau is edom. Esau is not a baby born next to Jacob.
Again, You have failed to interpret romans 9 correctly
I told you: Eph 4:11-13 shows who the GC was given to initially: apostles. Now that we don't have that gift, we do have the spiritual gifts of evangelist, pastor, and teacher. These are the ones to whom the GC applies. They have the communication gifts.
I do know it. Matthias was chosen by MEN. Paul was chosen by God. Do you understand the difference?
What do you think of Rev 21:14 - The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Please don't tell me that one of the foundations will have Matthias' name on it.
Sure, they prayed. But one was GUARANTEED to replace Judas, so what kind of "God choice" was that?
Kinda like, "Here God, you get to choose between these two that we picked out for you". Sure.
As a SS teacher, YES, do.
Why do you think every believer is commissioned when many do not even have the spiritual communication gift?
The MOST effective apostle EVER was PAUL. There is no doubt about it. Matthias was NEVER mentioned again, and you want me to believe that he will have his name on one of the foundations of the NJ?
Sorry, but that just isn't believable.
And, if the GC was given to every believer, why is there NO MENTION of it anywhere in the NT? That doesn't make sense either.
I do know it. Matthias was chosen by MEN. Paul was chosen by God. Do you understand the difference?
What do you think of Rev 21:14 - The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Please don't tell me that one of the foundations will have Matthias' name on it.
Sure, they prayed. But one was GUARANTEED to replace Judas, so what kind of "God choice" was that?
Kinda like, "Here God, you get to choose between these two that we picked out for you". Sure.
As a SS teacher, YES, do.
Why do you think every believer is commissioned when many do not even have the spiritual communication gift?
The MOST effective apostle EVER was PAUL. There is no doubt about it. Matthias was NEVER mentioned again, and you want me to believe that he will have his name on one of the foundations of the NJ?
Sorry, but that just isn't believable.
And, if the GC was given to every believer, why is there NO MENTION of it anywhere in the NT? That doesn't make sense either.
Sorry to have to break this to you, but that is an ignorant comment.
Since you have have already made your mind up, and don't want any FACTS, I won't repeat the actual reason the Greek grammar is very important.
Amen.
Nice sentiment, but where in the Bible do you find this?
This is obviously about bearing fruit, which is works. The works that believers do while IN fellowship with the Lord are what count. Not the miserable good deeds believers do when OUT OF fellowship with the Lord and either grieving (Eph 4:30) or quenching (1 Thess 5:19) the Spirit.
Correct. They MUST be "walking by means of the Spirit" (Gal 5:16) or "be filled with the Spirit (Eph 5:18).
Test question: since Eph 5:18 is a command to obey, can you explain specifically how to obey the command to be filled with the Spirit?
[QUOT] Obviously someone who is NOT SAVED can't either.[/QUOTE]
Obviously irrelevant to the discussion.
Your explanation of how to obey the command to be filled with the Spirit will demonstrate who the LOSER is.
The text is obviously about bearing fruit, and fruit that counts with God is fruit produced by the filling of the Holy Spirit.
So I'm very interested in your explanation of how to obey the command.
Sure. Go ahead and laugh your head off about Greek grammar. Scholars would have quite a laugh at YOU, too.
Since you have have already made your mind up, and don't want any FACTS, I won't repeat the actual reason the Greek grammar is very important.
Amen.
Nice sentiment, but where in the Bible do you find this?
This is obviously about bearing fruit, which is works. The works that believers do while IN fellowship with the Lord are what count. Not the miserable good deeds believers do when OUT OF fellowship with the Lord and either grieving (Eph 4:30) or quenching (1 Thess 5:19) the Spirit.
Correct. They MUST be "walking by means of the Spirit" (Gal 5:16) or "be filled with the Spirit (Eph 5:18).
Test question: since Eph 5:18 is a command to obey, can you explain specifically how to obey the command to be filled with the Spirit?
[QUOT] Obviously someone who is NOT SAVED can't either.[/QUOTE]
Obviously irrelevant to the discussion.
Your explanation of how to obey the command to be filled with the Spirit will demonstrate who the LOSER is.
The text is obviously about bearing fruit, and fruit that counts with God is fruit produced by the filling of the Holy Spirit.
So I'm very interested in your explanation of how to obey the command.
Nope. I'm gonna have to go with the Lord and scripture on this one and not the IMAGINATIONS and WISHES of some undiscerning person on the internet that has shown themselves incapable of understanding scripture. Greek grammar...
FreeGrace2 said:
I said:
Your statement cannot be found in that verse.
That would be your opinion, yes. But Jesus didn't say anything about being born of God in order to hear God's words.
Throughout the NT, the issue in salvation is hearing the gospel. Not being born again in order to hear the message. You cannot prove your claim with any verse, much less with Jn 8:47.
And I have proved from Eph 2:5 and 8 that faith precedes both salvation and regeneration, so you have no point.
Nope. Jesus doesn't have "opinions". That what man has. Jesus has the TRUTH.
That isn't the disagreement.
I said:
Your statement cannot be found in that verse.
That would be your opinion, yes. But Jesus didn't say anything about being born of God in order to hear God's words.
Throughout the NT, the issue in salvation is hearing the gospel. Not being born again in order to hear the message. You cannot prove your claim with any verse, much less with Jn 8:47.
And I have proved from Eph 2:5 and 8 that faith precedes both salvation and regeneration, so you have no point.
Nope. Jesus doesn't have "opinions". That what man has. Jesus has the TRUTH.
That isn't the disagreement.
Magenta said:
Esau and Jacob were called nations while in Rebekah's womb. Esau represents Edom... God's (and Israel's) enemy. Jacob = Israel.
They were NATIONS last and MOST important.
Esau and Jacob were called nations while in Rebekah's womb. Esau represents Edom... God's (and Israel's) enemy. Jacob = Israel.
They were NATIONS last and MOST important.
God never said I hated easu ? You got to be kidding Rom 9:13
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Mal 1:1-3
The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi.
2 I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob,
3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
They were individuals first and foremost !
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Mal 1:1-3
The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi.
2 I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob,
3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
They were individuals first and foremost !
I know what you said. Jesus tells us who it is that hears the words of God Jn 8:47
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
If a person isnt of God they dont hear His word with Spiritual understanding. Jesus said earler Jn 8:43
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
If a person isnt of God they dont hear His word with Spiritual understanding. Jesus said earler Jn 8:43
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Magenta said:
Esau and Jacob were called nations while in Rebekah's womb. Esau represents Edom... God's (and Israel's) enemy. Jacob = Israel.
They were NATIONS last and MOST important.
Esau and Jacob were called nations while in Rebekah's womb. Esau represents Edom... God's (and Israel's) enemy. Jacob = Israel.
They were NATIONS last and MOST important.