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FreeGrace2

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savedbysovereigngrace99 said:
lol, God gives belief in Christ, its a gift of grace and it causes belief in Christ.
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You know full well there is no verse that says this. What you are peddling is just reformed talking points.

Phil 1:29 doesn't say that God gives belief. It it about God giving the ability to believe. But your reformed spectacles warps your vision and you read verses quite wrong.

Christ died for everyone, as many verses plainly say. And NO verse says He died for only some.

So that in itself proves that salvation is available for everyone and man is free to believe or reject.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
All this days is that God made a choice that gentiles would hear and believe, it does not say he made that choice for them
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No, that they should hear and believe. Should is the simple past of the word shall. They shall hear and shall believe. Its just like when Jesus said in Jn 10:16

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Acts 28:28

Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

If God says something shall, should, will occur, then it will occur because He says it, and does it, or causes it to happen by His Power.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
You are closed to truth. There is no reasoning with you. Your unbiblical claim about God hating individuals proves that.

John 3:16 should stick in your craw.
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No you are, Gods truth plainly tells us God hated a individual easu, and you dont believe it.
 
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savedbysovereigngrace99 said:
God made a choice of who would preach, and what would occur from the preaching to the Gentiles, that they should #1 Hear and #2 Believe.
Acts 15:7

And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
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Again, you are misreading the verse. One must hear before they can believe. However, the choice that God made was that Peter was the one to preach to Cornelius and family/friends. That Peter included "and believe" is simply a fact of his preaching.

Peter was NOT saying that God chose for Cornelius to believe. God is omniscient and has known from eternity past that Cornelius WOULD believe after hearing the gospel.

Your reformed spectacles keep getting in the way of understanding the Bible.
 
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savedbysovereigngrace99 said:
I see those verses, doesn't change a thing, God gives belief in Christ on behalf of Christ.
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The verse you provided, Philippians 1:29, should change your mind because they don't say what you're saying they do. Something is being given to them for them to believe in. They aren't being forced to believe in anything or suffer for Christ. At any time those people could have packed their bags and gone home and said "Nah, I'm not doing that."

No one was forced to do anything. Do we agree on this much?
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
You know full well there is no verse that says this. What you are peddling is just reformed talking points.

Phil 1:29 doesn't say that God gives belief. It it about God giving the ability to believe. But your reformed spectacles warps your vision and you read verses quite wrong.

Christ died for everyone, as many verses plainly say. And NO verse says He died for only some.

So that in itself proves that salvation is available for everyone and man is free to believe or reject.
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Phil 1:29 states clearly that God gives belief in Christ Phil 1:29

For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake.
 
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Again, you are misreading the verse. One must hear before they can believe. However, the choice that God made was that Peter was the one to preach to Cornelius and family/friends. That Peter included "and believe" is simply a fact of his preaching.

Peter was NOT saying that God chose for Cornelius to believe. God is omniscient and has known from eternity past that Cornelius WOULD believe after hearing the gospel.

Your reformed spectacles keep getting in the way of understanding the Bible.
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God says they shall hear and shall believe ! Thats His promise
 
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FreeGrace2

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savedbysovereigngrace99 said:
No you are, Gods truth plainly tells us God hated a individual easu, and you dont believe it.
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Again, you are just stubborn. John 3:16 flatly refutes your opinion. God is a God of love. He loves His creation. It is evil and sin that He hates. And the Bible makes clear that the mention of Esau was a reference to Edom, an evil people, who persecuted the Israelites.

Gen 25:23 - And the LORD said to her, “Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples from within you shall be divided; the one shall be stronger than the other, the older shall serve the younger.”

This is the verse that Paul quoted in Romans 9. So this proves that the reference to Esau was to the nation Edom.

However, you are free to your own opinions. Unbiblical as they are.
 
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savedbysovereigngrace99 said:
Phil 1:29 states clearly that God gives belief in Christ Phil 1:29

For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake.
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Please take off your glasses. They are getting in the way of truth.
 
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Runningman said:
The verse you provided, Philippians 1:29, should change your mind because they don't say what you're saying they do. Something is being given to them for them to believe in. They aren't being forced to believe in anything or suffer for Christ. At any time those people could have packed their bags and gone home and said "Nah, I'm not doing that."

No one was forced to do anything. Do we agree on this much?
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Change my mind ? Phil 1:29 confirms my view that God gives belief in Jesus Christ. Read it

For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake

All for whom Christ died are given the privilege to believe on Him.
 
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Again, you are just stubborn. John 3:16 flatly refutes your opinion. God is a God of love. He loves His creation. It is evil and sin that He hates. And the Bible makes clear that the mention of Esau was a reference to Edom, an evil people, who persecuted the Israelites.

Gen 25:23 - And the LORD said to her, “Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples from within you shall be divided; the one shall be stronger than the other, the older shall serve the younger.”

This is the verse that Paul quoted in Romans 9. So this proves that the reference to Esau was to the nation Edom.

However, you are free to your own opinions. Unbiblical as they are.
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Again God tells us plainly that He hates individuals, easu is only one of many.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
Please take off your glasses. They are getting in the way of truth.
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You may need to put on some glasses, for Phil 1:29

For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake; What could be plainer ?
 
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savedbysovereigngrace99 said:
All for whom Christ died are given the privilege to believe on Him.
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That's correct. "Giving belief to someone" and giving the privilege to believe in someone aren't the same. Not to split hairs, but it actually does matter in a Biblical sense because it effects theology tremendously.
 
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FreeGrace2

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savedbysovereigngrace99 said:
Again God tells us plainly that He hates individuals, easu is only one of many.
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You don't even have one. I showed you the verse from the OT that Paul was quoting from that proves that Paul had in mind the nation of Edom. Why are you so stubborn?

Please share the many verses that tell us plainly that God hates individuals. I don't believe your claim.
 
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You don't even have one. I showed you the verse from the OT that Paul was quoting from that proves that Paul had in mind the nation of Edom. Why are you so stubborn?

Please share the many verses that tell us plainly that God hates individuals. I don't believe your claim.
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I gave you a scripture and you dont believe it.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
You've already been schooled on this.
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But you haven't been schooled, since you reject plainly what scripture says. God gives some to believe on Jesus Phil 1:29

For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

You appear to be unlearned or unschooled since you dont believe plain scripture.
 
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