Is Ferguson, MO. an EXAMPLE of Life AFTER the HOLY SPIRIT taken out of the WAY?

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Hizikyah

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There have been racial attacks and police wrongly executing citizens all over the country why has Ferguson, MO received all the attention?
 
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3Scoreand10

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Lawlessness can also refer to cover ups, giving fake evidence, and choosing to sabotage a case you are trying as a prosecutor.

Lawlessness also refers to the graft and corruption of the police and officials.
If you ever need help, please don't call 911.
I am sure you would complaine about houw the police delt with the situation.
 

VCO

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I doesn't know why they just didn't take it to trial before a judge and jury? The Medical examiner that the boy's family has hired is one of the best M.E., he even had his own show on HBO a while back. And what he had discovered from performing the autopsy didn't matched up with the story with the officer stated.

THEY DID, it was the GRAND JURY ITSELF, made up a jury of peers.

They examined the Evidence and ALL of the physical evidence supported the Officer's Testimony.

While the most of the Testimony told by word of mouth through the crowd and on TV, turned out to be hear say, falsehoods, and mistaken opinions that were NOT supported by the physical evidence on the street. Several so-called eye witnesses, were caught changing their stories and some even later admitted that they really did not see the event at all. Six eye witnesses, who did not talk to the media, all black, told the story exactly the way the Officer told the story. The story that he had his hands up and was trying to surrender the whole time, was proven a falsehood told originally by Michael Brown's pardner in crime at the convenience store robbery of the cigars. The JURY did their JOB, but the Crowd did not want to listen to the evidence the Grand Jury uncovered.
 

VCO

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​everybody knows that the po-po are corrupt!! lol
According to the Bible, it is that attitude that is corrupt!


Romans 13:1-7 (NKJV)
[SUP]1[/SUP]Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]
Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake.
[SUP]6[/SUP]
For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God's ministers attending continually to this very thing.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]
Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
 

VCO

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If you ever need help, please don't call 911.
I am sure you would complaine about houw the police delt with the situation.

According to the Bible, it is that attitude that is corrupt! And if you are a born again Christian, submitting to the word of God, you would not have that attitude.


Romans 13:1-7 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God's ministers attending continually to this very thing.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

1 Peter 2:11-16 (NKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Beloved, I beg you as sojourners and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] having your conduct honorable among the Gentiles, that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may, by your good works which they observe, glorify God in the day of visitation.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.

1 Peter 2:17-20 (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Servants, be submissive to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.
 

VCO

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There have been racial attacks and police wrongly executing citizens all over the country why has Ferguson, MO received all the attention?

Because most of the crowd was from out of town, who wanted an excuse to riot and LOOT, and if you watched the video feeds, they were full of glee, almost as if they were at a big party, as they ran amuck looting. They were not there to mourn Michael Brown.
 

VCO

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All ferguson is, is a bunch of people who didnt get what they wanted and played the race card. Now they are all angry and rioting because well, their welfare checks probably aren't enough to cover what they are looting.

NO, most were from out of town, and it was obvious that they were finding the mob mentally FUN.
 

Hizikyah

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If you ever need help, please don't call 911.
I am sure you would complaine about houw the police delt with the situation.
Because most of the crowd was from out of town, who wanted an excuse to riot and LOOT, and if you watched the video feeds, they were full of glee, almost as if they were at a big party, as they ran amuck looting. They were not there to mourn Michael Brown.
Im suspicious of how it even got attention for people to know to go there to gleefully loot. Al Sharpton (ex-drug dealer turned FBI informant, turned CIA psy-ops asset) and J.Jackson went to 89 cities rustling feathers. There are cases way worse than this, the black guy who got shot in the stairwell admittedly for no reason.

My point is MO is strategic because of the bridge so there is added motivation to.... "control" the area.
 

VCO

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Here is a young Christian boy that can be an EXAMPLE FOR ALL OF US.

[video=youtube;me709MPh8ZA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me709MPh8ZA[/video]
 
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THEY DID, it was the GRAND JURY ITSELF, made up a jury of peers.

They examined the Evidence and ALL of the physical evidence supported the Officer's Testimony.

While the most of the Testimony told by word of mouth through the crowd and on TV, turned out to be hear say, falsehoods, and mistaken opinions that were NOT supported by the physical evidence on the street. Several so-called eye witnesses, were caught changing their stories and some even later admitted that they really did not see the event at all. Six eye witnesses, who did not talk to the media, all black, told the story exactly the way the Officer told the story. The story that he had his hands up and was trying to surrender the whole time, was proven a falsehood told originally by Michael Brown's pardner in crime at the convenience store robbery of the cigars. The JURY did their JOB, but the Crowd did not want to listen to the evidence the Grand Jury uncovered.
That whole shenanigan was all about making a case so that it can go to trial; but they had said that there weren't enough evidence for a case.
 

SolidGround

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After reading the passage a few times, from the OP, I was wondering if the one "restaining" is actually someone other than the Holy Spirit.
In Daniel, there is an image of spiritual warfare involving specific angels. Perhaps this is a reference to such warfare.
It doesn't actually mention the Holy Spirit in the passage,
and also the Holy Spirit is never labeled as such elsewhere.

Upon a literal reading, it takes a dispensational assumption to interpret the "until he is out of the way" to mean rapture of the Church, which seems implied by labeling the "restrainer" as the Holy Spirit.

Even with a dispensational viewpoint, it would still fit for, say Micheal or another angelic/supernatural force, to be the "restrainer".

I'm not expressing a view, just questioning the base assumptions.

Ferguson is a very good example of how quickly mankind turns to lawlessness when given the chance.
Good connection!
 

SolidGround

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That whole shenanigan was all about making a case so that it can go to trial; but they had said that there weren't enough evidence for a case.
The evidence was presented publicly.
It was pretty clear that the officer was justified,
or at least shown that it is impossible to prove that he was out of line.

How about we protest about the 12yr old who got killed in Cleveland. That one actually has some facts behind it, and is a total outrage.

There is a real problem that needs to be addressed, when the innocent are tried, judged, and executed without provocation,
but we also need to not glorify violent criminals who put themselves in harms way.
 
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miktre

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[h=1]2 Thessalonians 2 King James Version (KJV)[/h] 2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.


It is SATAN that is taken out of the way, not the Holy Spirit.
 
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popeye

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THEY DID, it was the GRAND JURY ITSELF, made up a jury of peers.

They examined the Evidence and ALL of the physical evidence supported the Officer's Testimony.

While the most of the Testimony told by word of mouth through the crowd and on TV, turned out to be hear say, falsehoods, and mistaken opinions that were NOT supported by the physical evidence on the street. Several so-called eye witnesses, were caught changing their stories and some even later admitted that they really did not see the event at all. Six eye witnesses, who did not talk to the media, all black, told the story exactly the way the Officer told the story. The story that he had his hands up and was trying to surrender the whole time, was proven a falsehood told originally by Michael Brown's pardner in crime at the convenience store robbery of the cigars. The JURY did their JOB, but the Crowd did not want to listen to the evidence the Grand Jury uncovered.
Wait till the civil suit hits and the fam loses again. ....round 2 anyone???
 
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popeye

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Wow,touching vid vco.
Thanks!
Good to see this kind of love shatter hardened hearts.
 
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popeye

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Obama could have neutralized the whole thing singlehandedly. Sad he is not a leader.
 

SolidGround

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2 Thessalonians 2 King James Version (KJV)

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.


It is SATAN that is taken out of the way, not the Holy Spirit.
interesting interpretation. I'm not sure any of the other translations would support that noun/verb relation, but in the KJV it seems a possible way to read it.
 
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The Holy Spirit has been removed from America many years ago folks and do not blame it on one man. This is a SYSTEM that was create by MAN/Satan/Adam. Remember when the Senate during Rome period named Caesar(G-D). JESUS was against GOVERNMENT during his time. I weep for the liberty of my country when I see at this early day of its successful experiment that corruption has been imputed to many members of the House of Representatives, and the rights of the people have been bartered for promises of office.
Andrew Jackson

It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their own selfish purposes.
Andrew Jackson
Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.
Abraham Lincoln

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
Abraham Lincoln

The masses of folks are ZOMBIES in America because they are under mind control by the ELITE. The ELITE understands the TACTIC of Divide/Conquer the sheep/chattel because they are STUPID. Have the character of a sheep, but not STUPID/MIND like a sheep.

 

maxwel

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The Holy Spirit has been removed from America many years ago folks and do not blame it on one man. This is a SYSTEM that was create by MAN/Satan/Adam. Remember when the Senate during Rome period named Caesar(G-D). JESUS was against GOVERNMENT during his time. I weep for the liberty of my country when I see at this early day of its successful experiment that corruption has been imputed to many members of the House of Representatives, and the rights of the people have been bartered for promises of office.
Andrew Jackson

It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their own selfish purposes.
Andrew Jackson
Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.
Abraham Lincoln

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
Abraham Lincoln

The masses of folks are ZOMBIES in America because they are under mind control by the ELITE. The ELITE understands the TACTIC of Divide/Conquer the sheep/chattel because they are STUPID. Have the character of a sheep, but not STUPID/MIND like a sheep.

The Holy Spirit is in each believer...
as long as there are believers in America, then the Holy Spirit will be in America.

America may be a spiritual disaster right now,
but that's no reason to start making up bad theology.