Is Ferguson, MO. an EXAMPLE of Life AFTER the HOLY SPIRIT taken out of the WAY?

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Don't worry as he would have to dial 000 and of course no corrupt cops in the land down under.
Corruption is rampant down here.

I'm also privy to a possible criminal drug conspiracy amongst conservative political network here.

Let's just say, that a good way to get rid of your drug distribution network in Qld would be to outlaw motorcycle gangs.

None of this you can prove, but it's all hush hush stories of people connected politically.
 
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Corruption is rampant down here.

I'm also privy to a possible criminal drug conspiracy amongst conservative political network here.

Let's just say, that a good way to get rid of your drug distribution network in Qld would be to outlaw motorcycle gangs.

None of this you can prove, but it's all hush hush stories of people connected politically.

The truth is rather simple....corruption all around for sure...here...there...over seas in Europe...Moscow...China etc. as evil men and seducers will wax worse and worse for sure....by the way...I loved the land down under and my trip to Sydney a few weeks ago was a blast....spent 10 days down under and really enjoyed your Country....I about puked the way your media falls all over our king (was there over the G-20)...but besides that...really enjoyed the people and the country and the food. Thumbs UP!
 

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Corruption is rampant down here.

I'm also privy to a possible criminal drug conspiracy amongst conservative political network here.

Let's just say, that a good way to get rid of your drug distribution network in Qld would be to outlaw motorcycle gangs.

None of this you can prove, but it's all hush hush stories of people connected politically.

That will not happen because that is not what is prophesied about drug habits in the end times. It says they will REFUSE to REPENT of their Drug Habits. In case you do not remember reading that, here it is:


Revelation 9:21 (HCSB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And they did not repent of their murders, their sorceries {[FONT=Gentium !important]pharmakeia - the same Greek word that we get pharmacuticals from.[/FONT]}, their sexual immorality, or their thefts.
New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible.

Yes, if you wanted to get high in Bible Times you went to a Sorcerer and bought a Magic Potion. Sorcerers were little more than Drug Dealers, and they thought the high or trip they went on was Magic.
 
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That will not happen because that is not what is prophesied about drug habits in the end times. It says they will REFUSE to REPENT of their Drug Habits. In case you do not remember reading that, here it is:


Revelation 9:21 (HCSB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And they did not repent of their murders, their sorceries {[FONT=Gentium !important]pharmakeia - the same Greek word that we get pharmacuticals from.[/FONT]}, their sexual immorality, or their thefts.
New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible.

Yes, if you wanted to get high in Bible Times you went to a Sorcerer and bought a Magic Potion. Sorcerers were little more than Drug Dealers, and they thought the high or trip they went on was Magic.
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^ and that's just counting the 'legal' drug users . . not even caffeine, energy drinks, alcohol or nicotene, or chocolate, sugar, etc.
 

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Nah. I think your country has seen worse. I'd say Civil war was the worst.

Things are getting better.

The end times are 5000 years away, when the USA empire has long been buried and replaced by 3000 years of Chinese Empire rule.

DAVID, who has been peddling you that ball of twisted YARN (Extreme Falsehood).

Matthew 24:44 (ESV)
[SUP]44 [/SUP] Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

For YOU, that certainly is Soon, and VERY SOON.

2 Peter 3:3-4 (ESV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.”


And what do you think John would have called a vision of modern New York City when he saw a giant statue of the famous Babylonian Goddess Ishtar standing in the Harbor?



Revelation 18:9-19 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] The kings of the earth who have committed sexual immorality and lived luxuriously with her will weep and mourn over her when they see the smoke of her burning.


[SUP]10 [/SUP] They will stand far off in fear of her torment, saying: Woe, woe, the great city,Babylon, the mighty city! For in a single hour your judgment has come.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] The merchants of the earth will also weep and mourn over her, because no one buys their merchandise any longer—
[SUP]12 [/SUP] merchandise of gold, silver, precious stones, and pearls; fine fabrics of linen, purple, silk, and scarlet; all kinds of fragrant wood products; objects of ivory; objects of expensive wood, brass, iron, and marble;
[SUP]13 [/SUP] cinnamon, spice, incense, myrrh, and frankincense; wine, olive oil, fine wheat flour, and grain; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and slaves and human lives.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The fruit you craved has left you. All your splendid and glamorous things are gone; they will never find them again.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] The merchants of these things, who became rich from her, will stand far off in fear of her torment, weeping and mourning,
[SUP]16 [/SUP] saying: Woe, woe, the great city, dressed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, adorned with gold, precious stones, and pearls,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] for in a single hour such fabulous wealth was destroyed! And every shipmaster, seafarer, the sailors, and all who do business by sea, stood far off
[SUP]18 [/SUP] as they watched the smoke from her burning and kept crying out: “Who is like the great city?”


[SUP]19 [/SUP] They threw dust on their heads and kept crying out, weeping, and mourning: Woe, woe, the great city, where all those who have ships on the seabecame rich from her wealth, for in a single hour she was destroyed.
 
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To be honest, the cop was right and the uprising was an excuse to get free tv's and computers and cell phones and a new couch.
 
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Philippians 2:12 (HCSB)

[SUP]12 [/SUP] So then, my dear friends, just as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now even more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Now let me correct some false understanding about what this verse is saying compared to:

Ephesians 2:4-10 (NKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), {WHEN WERE WE SAVED? When we were dead in trespasses, NOT AFTER WE HAVE LEARNED TO WALK IN OBEDIENCE.}
[SUP]6 [/SUP] and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved {Past Tense} through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not of works, lest anyone should boast.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. {SALVATION IS NOT PART OF WALKING IN OBEDIENCE, BECAUSE SALVATION HAPPENS BEFORE WE EVEN BEGIN OUR WALK OF OBEDIENCE.}

So what is He saying in Philippians 2:12? Let me paraphrase it for you: "So then, my dear friends, just as you have always obeyed,
since the Day you were SAVED when you received HIM as LORD, which means MASTER; continue to manifest proof that you really were saved, by letting that Salvation that is IN YOU work it's way out in the way you live your life before others."

NOT BY WORKS, really does mean we are NOT SAVED BY WORKS.
thank you for replying.
did God Call for Scientists?
did You Come Here to Kill Verses?
you paraphrase?

if you can correct false understanding, then go do that, please.
really.
can you look at the two verses and breathe? please?
 

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thank you for replying.
did God Call for Scientists?
did You Come Here to Kill Verses?
you paraphrase?

if you can correct false understanding, then go do that, please.
really.
can you look at the two verses and breathe? please?
No, I absolutely believe in interpreting Scripture with Scripture.

And any time one verse on a given subject seems to contradict another verse on the same given subject, it is a human error of interpretation, of at least one, if not both verses.

YOU CANNOT HAVE Salvation by GRACE, NOT BY WORKS;

AND SALVATION BY WORKS. ONE IS AN ERROR IN INTERPRETATION; and SALVATION BY WORKS IS THE ERROR IN INTERPRETATION.


Acts 17:11 (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
 
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Romans 5:10-11 (ESV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

So how much of your Walk of Obedience was YET TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE when you WERE RECONCILED TO GOD?

Romans 5:15 (ESV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.

Is it a FREE GIFT if you have to work for it?

Romans 4:4-5 (ISV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Now to someone who works {to earn his Salvation}, wages are not considered a gift but an obligation.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But to someone who doesn't work {to earn his Salvation}, but simply believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness.

Why then do we WORK, if it is NOT to earn Salvation? Simply Because we LOVE HIM.

John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If you love Me, you will keep My commands.
 

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ATTENTION sveinen :




Romans 5:10-11 (ESV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

So how much of your Walk of Obedience was YET TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE when you WERE RECONCILED TO GOD?

Romans 5:15 (ESV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.

Is it a FREE GIFT if you have to work for it?

Romans 4:4-5 (ISV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Now to someone who works {to earn his Salvation}, wages are not considered a gift but an obligation.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But to someone who doesn't work {to earn his Salvation}, but simply believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness.

Why then do we WORK, if it is NOT to earn Salvation? Simply Because we LOVE HIM.

John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If you love Me, you will keep My commands.
 
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ATTENTION sveinen :




Romans 5:10-11 (ESV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

So how much of your Walk of Obedience was YET TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE when you WERE RECONCILED TO GOD?

Romans 5:15 (ESV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.

Is it a FREE GIFT if you have to work for it?

Romans 4:4-5 (ISV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Now to someone who works {to earn his Salvation}, wages are not considered a gift but an obligation.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But to someone who doesn't work {to earn his Salvation}, but simply believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness.

Why then do we WORK, if it is NOT to earn Salvation? Simply Because we LOVE HIM.

John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If you love Me, you will keep My commands.
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i did not say "Salvation by works."
you crazy cookie
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i did not say "Salvation by works."
you crazy cookie
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..if it was not after sunset, "i could tell you we Believe In His Loving Body Church Being." .. and Staying In Church being The Work, Actively Taking Care.
yeah yeah. this is not saving anyone :p
 
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There have been racial attacks and police wrongly executing citizens all over the country why has Ferguson, MO received all the attention?
To quiet down other Brown jihad assassins, perhaps?

[video=youtube;FDo0-LunbrM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDo0-LunbrM&spfreload=10[/video]
 

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Islamic State fighters have increased calls for "lone wolves" to attack U.S. soldiers in America in recent months, citing one tweet that called for jihadists to find service members' addresses online and then "show up and slaughter them."
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/09/17/law-enforcement-bulletin-warned-isis-urging-jihad-attacks-on-us-soil/




[h=2]ISIS Threatens to Kill Families of U.S. Soldiers[/h]Thursday, October 2, 2014



With our wide open borders, this will be easy for ISIS to do. Obama has certainly made everyone vulnerable on so many levels.
Check it out:

An Army intelligence bulletin is warning U.S. military personnel to be vigilant after Islamic State militants called on supporters to scour social media for addresses of their family members – and to “show up [at their homes] and slaughter them.”

Read more at ISIS Threatens to Kill Families of U.S. Soldiers : PatriotUpdate.com #patriotupdate @patriotupdate

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I urge all Military Personnel, National Guard Units, and ALL VETERANS; and all American Citizens who also feel this threat is aimed at them too. To be prepared to defend yourself and your families. YOU WILL NOT BE VIOLATING THE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST, because HE urged His own disciples to be prepared to defend themselves against a Violent attack:

Luke 22:35-36 (HCSB)
[SUP]35 [/SUP] He also said to them, “When I sent you out without money-bag, traveling bag, or sandals, did you lack anything?” “Not a thing,” they said.
[SUP]36 [/SUP] Then He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money-bag should take it, and also a traveling bag.
And whoever doesn’t have a sword should sell his robe and buy one.

The Self Defense Weapon of choice in Bible Times was the personal SWORD.

The Self Defense Weapon of choice in Modern Times is the personal Hand Gun or other Firearms.

AGAIN, I take this Threat to be REAL, and very Serious. I think you should too. I am proud to wear my Veterans Ball Cap in public, and I will not let these Terrorists bully me into taking it off and hiding it.






 
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come to think of it, i shall say SALVATION BY WORKS..
MAKE CHRIST THE ADORER FALL IN LOVE WITH YOU!
yeah.
He Might Strictly Fancy LOVING.
thanks.
go we.
:)
 

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come to think of it, i shall say SALVATION BY WORKS..
MAKE CHRIST THE ADORER FALL IN LOVE WITH YOU!
yeah.
He Might Strictly Fancy LOVING.
thanks.
go we.
:)

John 3:16 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.

John 15:12-14 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] This is My command: Love one another as I have loved you.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] No one has greater love than this, that someone would lay down his life for his friends.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] You are My friends if you do what I command you.

Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.


TOO LATE, HE LOVED YOU FIRST. Notice that Obedience is a by-product of God's Love that was poured into our hearts. Sorry, but you do not get to pat yourself on your back for Loving Him, and Obeying Him.
 
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yo, vco, is it ok He Has my back?
i am not writing to insult you, and i don't want to insult you, but to this last one it sorta seems you want to think you're under attack. and we want you to Defend He. and we don't want to critisize. "is you ready to fire at enmity to The Cross somewhere?"
 

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yo, vco, is it ok He Has my back?
i am not writing to insult you, and i don't want to insult you, but to this last one it sorta seems you want to think you're under attack. and we want you to Defend He. and we don't want to critisize. "is you ready to fire at enmity to The Cross somewhere?"

No, I did not feel attacked, nor did you insult me. Plus I already sense that you truly are a genuine Christian Brother.

I do however know that throughout the world, Christian beliefs are always under the attack of the evil one.

I just believe in BOLDLY proclaiming the Word of GOD to present the TRUTH.

It is what the Apostles were KNOWN FOR:

Acts 9:27-29 (ASV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how at Damascus he had preached boldly in the name of Jesus.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] And he was with them going in and going out at Jerusalem,
[SUP]29 [/SUP] preaching boldly in the name of the Lord: and he spake and disputed against the Grecian Jews; but they were seeking to kill him.

Acts 13:46 (ASV)
[SUP]46 [/SUP] And Paul and Barnabas spake out boldly, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first be spoken to you. Seeing ye thrust it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

Acts 14:3 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Therefore they stayed there a long time, speaking boldly in the Lord, who was bearing witness to the word of His grace, granting signs and wonders to be done by their hands.

Acts 18:26 (ASV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] and he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. But when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more accurately.

Acts 19:8 (ASV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And he entered into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, reasoning and persuading as to the things concerning the kingdom of God.

Acts 28:31 (GW)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] He spread the message about God's kingdom and taught very boldly about the Lord Jesus Christ. No one stopped him.


We live in an age (the Laodicean age) where the MAJORITY of Churches are teaching a Watered Down, Sugar Coated gospel to make it more palatable to the WORLD; and I happen to believe that is a FALSE GOSPEL. Their LOVE for Christ is LUKEWARM at best, and they go to Church for Christian Entertainment, NOT TO WORSHIP OUR LORD. Even Jesus Christ said that Watered Down Christianity sickens Him and He is about to VOMIT THEM OUT OF HIS MOUTH:

Revelation 3:15-16 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.

For a long time I could not figure out why it was better if one's love for CHRIST was cold, instead of lukewarm. And then I began to notice a pattern in the Christians that attended the Lukewarm Christian Entertainment Centers, that call themselves Churches; and were those that ONLY taught the Love of Jesus, and NEVER his Wrath. They thought they had enough of GOD, they thought they did not need anymore understanding of HIS WORD, they even thought they were spiritually rich when in reality they were nearly spiritually bankrupt, and their entire focus was on edifying self, instead of edifying others. THEREFORE THEY HAVE MADE THEMSELVES UNTEACHABLE.

1 Corinthians 10:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Let no one seek his own good {The word "good' is not in the original language manuscripts.}, but that of his neighbor. {We are supposed to be edifying others, NOT SELF.}

While at the same time every Christian whose love for Christ is Cold, KNOWS His relationship with Christ was not right, and therefore, HE WAS VERY TEACHABLE.

So, I refuse to let my teaching style be less than what the Apostles gave us as an Example. Please do not take it personal, but do take it very serious. I will always try to minimize my personal opinions in what I say, AND I WILL ALWAYS BOLDLY PROCLAIM WHAT THE WORD OF GOD ACTUALLY SAYS.

Yes I consider a watered down gospel a false gospel, and will ALWAYS strive instead to present the TRUE GOSPEL.

Jude 1:3-4 (NIV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

2 Timothy 3:2-5 (NIV)

[SUP]2 [/SUP] People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God--
[SUP]5 [/SUP] having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.
 
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