Is Genesis History?

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This is an outstanding documentary on whether Genesis is actually an accurate record of the history of the earth. I have always believed that it was, after all, if you remove the actual fall from the first book of the Old Testament you pretty much remove the need for an actual savior from the first book of the New Testament.

Still, if you are a Christian it will strengthen your faith in the middle of a world that doesn't want to believe it. If you aren't, it will force you to examine the scientific presuppositions you use to analyze what you see around you.

It's fairly long but absolutely worth it.
I met Del Tackett during my Facilitator training for the " Truth Project in 2000. He and three other men flew onto the USS Carl Vinson CVN 70.
 

UnoiAmarah

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Nothing about Genesis that contradicts logic.
True, or at least IMO. However, the way the scriptures are interpreted by some not only contradict logic but the very principles that we know as the laws of nature.

If one truly believes that God can create by speaking the worlds into existence then everything else falls into place...
Wouldn't believing that God created, by speaking, 'the worlds' into existence require that God be able to speak?
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While you cite Genesis 1:3, wherein it is written that God said, Let there be light: and there was light, can you explain what you understand the next verse mean wherein it is written that God saw the light, that it was good, considering that Holy Spirit was already moving upon the waters that covered the earth as written in Genesis 1:2?

Mark 10:18 (KJV) And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
 
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This is an outstanding documentary on whether Genesis is actually an accurate record of the history of the earth. I have always believed that it was, after all, if you remove the actual fall from the first book of the Old Testament you pretty much remove the need for an actual savior from the first book of the New Testament.

Still, if you are a Christian it will strengthen your faith in the middle of a world that doesn't want to believe it. If you aren't, it will force you to examine the scientific presuppositions you use to analyze what you see around you.

It's fairly long but absolutely worth it.
Yea history, let the dry land appear.

 

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Wow what a bunch of nerds :cool: but cringe worthy puns aside this explains a lot but I am still confused about dinosaur bones. I mean science shows they loved like millions of years ago or something but I have heard Christians say they lived on earth but were wiped out by the flood
"Science" in this case is built on antitheistic presumptions and faulty assumptions regarding the age of rocks in which fossils are found. In short, people date fossils by the rocks, and date the rocks by the fossils.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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It makes perfect sense. The first Scientist explains all we need to know. Earth, mountains, caverns, layers, etc reveal not a gradual displacement of time aka: little water slow erosion, but rather much water at once = immediate erosion. Gives proof of a "Young Earth" rather than one being 4.5 billion years old.

Excellent video!
I will try to watch the video today.

Sounds like the support the catastrophic flood theory to explain what we see in geology today, and not the billion year old slow meticulous change that would be required to see what we see barring a catastrophic event
 
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That a interesting statement, so does a catastrophic event and what it can do in the potential to create a Canyon etc. can that be viewed also of the Grand Canyon. I notice the opening statement of the video is sort of alluding to he mentioned a tiny river in what some think as the Colorado river forming the Grand Canyon that’s is not the only assumption, there is a few more it was much faster from glacier flows. what he is presenting is a assumption also as far as a catastrophic event. the video didn’t even speak about how top soil is formed everyday by trees that die and decay and all sorts of things that form dirt it takes awhile to build up but to say new top soil isn’t being formed I think would be not a good analogy of earths dirt and how it still is being formed today but there is no mentioning of current dirt formation.
do you know that is has been shown that the colorado river would have had to flow uphill in order to carve the grand canyon, as many believe?
 
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Yes exactly, catastrophic Feet per second would be required to create the Grand Canyon. I use to design sprinkler systems that was all based on PSI pounds per square inch of force. Even drip irrigation requires 25 psi.
The mini grand canyon formed by the catastrophy called mount st helens is a prime example of how a canyon is formed by a major flood. They also found petrified logs, which before this even I believe they said could not happen in a short period of time
 
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Wow what a bunch of nerds :cool: but cringe worthy puns aside this explains a lot but I am still confused about dinosaur bones. I mean science shows they loved like millions of years ago or something but I have heard Christians say they lived on earth but were wiped out by the flood
how does science show this, How do they know? Was anyone there millions of years ago to now how things worked?
 
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True, or at least IMO. However, the way the scriptures are interpreted by some not only contradict logic but the very principles that we know as the laws of nature.



Wouldn't believing that God created, by speaking, 'the worlds' into existence require that God be able to speak?
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While you cite Genesis 1:3, wherein it is written that God said, Let there be light: and there was light, can you explain what you understand the next verse mean wherein it is written that God saw the light, that it was good, considering that Holy Spirit was already moving upon the waters that covered the earth as written in Genesis 1:2?

Mark 10:18 (KJV) And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Jesus as the Son of man walked by the will of the father that worked in him as our high apostle and prophet . the father communed with Him directly in the last days as a perfect sinless example. . The father who worked with Jesus would not receive the glory of the father unseen called Good Master (no man can serve both . . .the tings seen and that not seen there must be a mixture. The Son of man Jesus gave glory to the greater position not person .It was the work of two that did bring us the peace that does surpass of restricted understanding.

I think one way of looking at it you could say is by following the glory trail like following the money trail .

When God who is Light and not that he cannot create it (day four). But rather Light the essence of eternal Spirit in whom there is no darkness . When he said let "there be light" His invisible presence entered that realm of heaven the temporal. (things on earth ).

It would appear he performed that work in advance to show his creative power holding even the heavens together by it. .hidden from scientist that look to the rudiments of this world. as if we could know Christ after them and not after a faith that works in them with them . He reveals the hidden glory to His children by faith.

The Sun and moon the temporal corruption time keepers which continually reveal the wrath of God from heaven (Roman 1:18 ) were not switched on until day 4.

The first three days His glory was the light and heat source. He hid himself at night to represent evil . Three as it seems is used through the bible to represent a end of a matter. Four or forty and four hundred can respect the time of testing. Something that cannot be tested under a microscope beyond the view of telescopes. But rather under the Sun.

I am no scholar. I think many scientists like Pagan Sun worshipers need the sun as the source of life as there foundation . . The light of the gospel destroys that.

This shows us God revealed His glory for three days with His person . His glory departed and will return on the last day when the Sun and moon corruption time keepers will be under the feet of the bride . There will be no more night and no temple


God is eternal Spirit. To reveal himself to a creation, he chose to use the things seen with the eyes and ears he created. Like he told Moses .Who made the mouth and the ear? ( pay attention to my words do them or you will surely die )

That wrath is being revealed and will end on the last day when Death the letter of the law the cause of suffering( hell) will be cast into the judgement fire never to rise again and condemn through corrupting and entire creation to death

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Roman1: 18-23

Images made like to corruptible man to include the Son of man Jesus. One is our Good Master the unseen glory.

Can't find the Good Master under a microscope or through telescope . He who informs us to study in order to seek His approval has given the proper tools for scoping the unseen. Cannot find him by gazing as the temporal stars.


2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 

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True, or at least IMO. However, the way the scriptures are interpreted by some not only contradict logic but the very principles that we know as the laws of nature.
Remember, the Fall has changed what we call ‘the laws of nature’ and that God’s ways, although they supersede our logic, they are not illogical.
 
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do you know that is has been shown that the colorado river would have had to flow uphill in order to carve the grand canyon, as many believe?
Well I find it interesting people wanting to use the Canyon as proof of a biblical flood, when it very well may have been there way before the flood, mountains was around before the flood why can’t the Grand Canyon.
 

Nehemiah6

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Well I find it interesting people wanting to use the Canyon as proof of a biblical flood, when it very well may have been there way before the flood, mountains was around before the flood why can’t the Grand Canyon.
You can argue that whichever way you like, but there is no denying the HISTORICAL FACT that there was a universal worldwide Flood after Noah entered the Ark. And only eight *souls* (people) survived. If one will not believe that, then he or she cannot claim to believe God, Christ, or the Bible. Jesus specifically mentioned the Flood in His discourses, and Jesus is God.
 
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You can argue that whichever way you like, but there is no denying the HISTORICAL FACT that there was a universal worldwide Flood after Noah entered the Ark. And only eight *souls* (people) survived. If one will not believe that, then he or she cannot claim to believe God, Christ, or the Bible. Jesus specifically mentioned the Flood in His discourses, and Jesus is God.
Yes though that doesn’t mean the Canyon was formed by the flood does it?

Because science talks about a Canyon being made by a river or fast glacier melting. that means the Bible flood got to come into play on it
 
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How does anyone know God didn’t create the Canyon while forming the earth
 
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I don’t think God has to leave evidence, the waters receded and life went on, is it impossible for no landmarks to be present.
 
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Well I find it interesting people wanting to use the Canyon as proof of a biblical flood, when it very well may have been there way before the flood, mountains was around before the flood why can’t the Grand Canyon.
never said it was not

Just saying it was NOT caused by the river.

And there is proof not only of a great lake on the western side of the canyon, (actually two) which was rpobably left when the floods receded, and that there appears to be a catostrophic break of a natural damn, which emptied both lakes. and carved out the canyon, In fact, we can see in california where the rock and sediment from the canyon was deposited.
 
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Yes though that doesn’t mean the Canyon was formed by the flood does it?

Because science talks about a Canyon being made by a river or fast glacier melting. that means the Bible flood got to come into play on it
Science is wrong it was not caused by a river

the river would have had to flow uphill
 
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look at all the rivers around the world. where there are no canyons, If rivers can form canyons we would expect to see many many large canyons, with all the rivers which are there
 
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How does anyone know God didn’t create the Canyon while forming the earth
because there is evidence of somethign which happened post creation.

You also have the fossils which can be seen in the canyon walls. This shows that it had to have been created post creation. not before
 

Nehemiah6

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How does anyone know God didn’t create the Canyon while forming the earth
While we have no evidence as to when the Grand Canyon came into existence, chances are that it happened after the Flood. That is also where there were huge movements beneath the surface of the earth.

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. (Gen 7:11)

JOHN GILL'S COMMENTARY
...the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened; and by both these the flood of waters was brought upon the earth, which drowned it, and all the creatures in it: by the former are meant the vast quantities of subterraneous waters, which are more or greater than we know; and might be greater still at the time of the deluge:

"there are large lakes, (as Seneca observes (z),) which we see not, much of the sea that lies hidden, and many rivers that slide in secret:''so that those vast quantities of water in the bowels of the earth being pressed upwards, by the falling down of the earth, or by some other cause unknown to us, as Bishop Patrick observes, gushed out violently in several parts of the earth, where holes and gaps were made, and where they either found or made a vent, which, with the forty days' rain, might well make such a flood as here described: