Is Genesis History?

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because there is evidence of somethign which happened post creation.

You also have the fossils which can be seen in the canyon walls. This shows that it had to have been created post creation. not before
There is no evidence that the Canyon was formed post creation, so me the evidence?
 

Dino246

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There is no evidence that the Canyon was formed post creation, so me the evidence?
The evidence was actually presented, but you didn't see it. There are fossils in the canyon walls. Why would God create canyon walls with fossils already in them? That would be deceptive and dishonest.

Further, the canyon walls are clearly sedimentary layers, consistent with having formed under water. While it's possible that God would create sedimentary layers, there would need to be a discernible reason for His doing so. That reason has not been discovered, nor has any plausible reason been suggested.
 

Dino246

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You can argue that whichever way you like, but there is no denying the HISTORICAL FACT that there was a universal worldwide Flood after Noah entered the Ark. And only eight *souls* (people) survived. If one will not believe that, then he or she cannot claim to believe God, Christ, or the Bible. Jesus specifically mentioned the Flood in His discourses, and Jesus is God.
This is unfortunately typical of your posts: dogmatic, inflexible, and condemnatory. God help the person who suffers judgment at your hands; you show all the mercy of a Pharisee.

Just remember: with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. I suggest you spend some time meditating on the mercy and grace YOU have received from Jesus, and try to emulate it with others. Did you come to Christ believing EVERYTHING you currently believe? I doubt it. Lighten up.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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There is no evidence that the Canyon was formed post creation, so me the evidence?
lol. ok I have read it from multiple people and multiple reports. But here is one example that I have read.

Go to his link, Formation of the grand canyon

if you take the time to read it you will see evidence that many scientists have seen,
 
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While we have no evidence as to when the Grand Canyon came into existence, chances are that it happened after the Flood. That is also where there were huge movements beneath the surface of the earth.

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. (Gen 7:11)

JOHN GILL'S COMMENTARY
...the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened; and by both these the flood of waters was brought upon the earth, which drowned it, and all the creatures in it: by the former are meant the vast quantities of subterraneous waters, which are more or greater than we know; and might be greater still at the time of the deluge:

"there are large lakes, (as Seneca observes (z),) which we see not, much of the sea that lies hidden, and many rivers that slide in secret:''so that those vast quantities of water in the bowels of the earth being pressed upwards, by the falling down of the earth, or by some other cause unknown to us, as Bishop Patrick observes, gushed out violently in several parts of the earth, where holes and gaps were made, and where they either found or made a vent, which, with the forty days' rain, might well make such a flood as here described:
The great mariana trench could be a likely candidate, it is deep under the ocean and about 7 miles deep

It’s a 50/50 chance the Grand Canyon on top of the continent was involved also, if it was not the biblical flood, then a fast melting glacier run off could dig into the earth pretty fast no one who was around some 2190000 days ago
 
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lol. ok I have read it from multiple people and multiple reports. But here is one example that I have read.

Go to his link, Formation of the grand canyon

if you take the time to read it you will see evidence that many scientists have seen,
I’m going by the olive tree that was brought back to the ark, the tree either grow very fast or was preserved.
and what did the animals eat when coming off the ark?
 
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I’m going by the olive tree that was brought back to the ark, the tree either grow very fast or was preserved.
and what did the animals eat when coming off the ark?
not sure what that has to do with the grand canyon.

Have you seen how fast things grow when something is destroyed?

and that does not prove the grand canyon was not formed as a result of the flood. (I do not believe it was formed by the flood itself. but the after affects as shown in the link I sent to you)

Have you read it?
 
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going to go watch video now. I found it on youtube so can watch on TV :)
 
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not sure what that has to do with the grand canyon.

Have you seen how fast things grow when something is destroyed?

and that does not prove the grand canyon was not formed as a result of the flood. (I do not believe it was formed by the flood itself. but the after affects as shown in the link I sent to you)

Have you read it?
I agree I don’t think it was formed by the Bible flood either, I know it’s not believeble God could preserve such a landscape from destruction I get you what you mean, what would the point of total destruction then super growing when a simple preserve would be more logical IMO.

The flood hadn’t even completely receded from the land and a olive branch was brought back what are you saying about how fast a plant grows?

Like another poster mentioned from scripture the deep opened up, I don’t see the top mass land as part of that deep
 
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The evidence was actually presented, but you didn't see it. There are fossils in the canyon walls. Why would God create canyon walls with fossils already in them? That would be deceptive and dishonest.

Further, the canyon walls are clearly sedimentary layers, consistent with having formed under water. While it's possible that God would create sedimentary layers, there would need to be a discernible reason for His doing so. That reason has not been discovered, nor has any plausible reason been suggested.
That still is not evidence of a Bible flood that did that, there was fish in the ocean before land animals, was that trench once connected to the ocean, tides move in and out of it, I don’t know went on but just because there is fossils in the layers still doesn’t point to a Bible flood.

I think your thinking narrow minded when you say dishonest and deceptive, because no one can hoestly prove how it was formed and why fossils are in the walls.
 
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Another dry land appears.

 
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I agree I don’t think it was formed by the Bible flood either, I know it’s not believeble God could preserve such a landscape from destruction I get you what you mean, what would the point of total destruction then super growing when a simple preserve would be more logical IMO.

The flood hadn’t even completely receded from the land and a olive branch was brought back what are you saying about how fast a plant grows?

Like another poster mentioned from scripture the deep opened up, I don’t see the top mass land as part of that deep
Look at when land is totally destroyed. BY fire,

then a few months later you have all this new life sprouting up.

bu the way this video is good. It explains a lot of the stuff I have said also,
 
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This is unfortunately typical of your posts: dogmatic, inflexible, and condemnatory. God help the person who suffers judgment at your hands; you show all the mercy of a Pharisee.

Just remember: with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. I suggest you spend some time meditating on the mercy and grace YOU have received from Jesus, and try to emulate it with others. Did you come to Christ believing EVERYTHING you currently believe? I doubt it. Lighten up.
That’s ok I got thick skin, 7x70
 
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Look at when land is totally destroyed. BY fire,

then a few months later you have all this new life sprouting up.

bu the way this video is good. It explains a lot of the stuff I have said also,
That wasn’t destroyed by fire it was created a brand new dry land.

do you see any trees on the island? lol
 
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That wasn’t destroyed by fire it was created a brand new dry land.

do you see any trees on the island? lol
We have witnessed the same thing after a catastrophic local flood, I just used fire as an example as I think people see this more
 
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We have witnessed the same thing after a catastrophic local flood, I just used fire as an example as I think people see this more
what kind of catastrophic local flood you have witnessed that created an island new land mass not sure what you mean?
 
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My point being why try and one up science on how it was formed by pointing to a Bible flood as to the cause or even the after effect of a Bible flood that formed that Canyon when that theory in itself could be not the way the Canyon or any other landmark was formed from a Bible flood. there was a Bible flood and what that effected of the shape of the landscape on earth can’t really be known by physical evidence.
 

CS1

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There is no evidence that the Canyon has formed post creation, so me the evidence?
so you the evidence?

Well IN the State of Washington they had a big Volcano BLOW UP!!!! Mount St. Helen. The canyon in the Video where Mr. Tackett is stands, yes that is a canyon that was formed on May 18, 1980, after the Mountian BLEW UP! it took less than 40 years for the Canyon in the video to be formed. I have personally walked it and have seen it. And you can too.
 
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what kind of catastrophic local flood you have witnessed that created an island new land mass not sure what you mean?
I thought we were talking about growth of plants, when did we shift to islands?
 
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My point being why try and one up science on how it was formed by pointing to a Bible flood as to the cause or even the after effect of a Bible flood that formed that Canyon when that theory in itself could be not the way the Canyon or any other landmark was formed from a Bible flood. there was a Bible flood and what that effected of the shape of the landscape on earth can’t really be known by physical evidence.
Have you watched the video or read the link I sent you?