Is it a sin to drink alcohol

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CND

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The act to drink can't to be a sin. But perfectly can to be the door for a sin (Ephesians 5:18). Dissolution it is the key word.


God's word has much to say about the consumption of fermented and unfermented wine. In ancient times wine could be fermented grape juice mixed with water, thus making it somewhat diluted. Fermented wine could also be made without adding water and making it more intoxicating. The Bible often describes this type of wine as "strong drink". Without question the Bible condemns drinking to the point where a person is drunk. As Christians we are commanded to not let our bodies be enslaved by anything (1 Corinthians 6: 12) and getting drunk with alcohol would certainly fall under this category. Christians should not do anything that hinders the Holy Spirit's influence on us. A person who consumes alcohol to the point where they are drunk has let the alcohol influence their decision making instead of being "filled by the spirit". Alcohol by itself is not tainted by sin, it is the drunkenness and addiction to it that a Christian must absolutely stay away from. Scripture does not forbid Christians from drinking beer, wine, or anything else containing alcohol in it. As a matter of fact, there are times the Bible speaks of alcohol in a positive light.

Ephesians 5:18 "be not drunk with wine where in excess; but be filled with the Holy Spirit." This passage of scripture is warning us to not be "drunk" or drinking to the point where it is to much or "excess". Drinking to much leads to intoxication, which leads to bad decisions. God wants us to be filled by the Holy Spirit which leads and guides us into making better decisions in life.

Exodus 32:6-7 The people were so intoxicated with wine that the Lord said, "they have corrupted themselves."
Proverbs 20:1 "Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler, and whoever is led astray by it is not wise." To be led astray is to be led by the intoxication of wine, where God wants us to be lead by the Holy Spirit.

Proverbs 31:4-7 verse 4 says that it is not for kings to drink wine. If the king is drunk and is under its influence, he may forget the law, his morals, or himself. A drunken king will use bad judgement when making important decisions concerning his kingdom. A king who stays drunk all the time cannot lead his people or country. Now notice in verse 6 this passage is actually giving permission to drink intoxicating wine. "strong drink" to those who are about to die and may need it for pain and "wine" who have a heavy heart and is afflicted with anxiety, nervousness, or something troubling them emotionally.

Final thoughts
It is incorrect to say that wine in the Bible was just simply grape juice, but equally incorrect to say that wine was fermented the same as modern day. It has been clinically proven that a glass of red wine soothes the stomach. The drunken state is what the Bible most warns about. The fact is, many people have a problem with having just "one glass" of red wine and want to keep going until it is too late. They become enslaved by the alcohol and do and say things they normally wouldn't. For these people it is a good idea to stay completely away from any kind of alcohol beverage. Keep in mind, back in ancient times the water was not very clean. Without modern sanitation, the water was filled with bacteria, viruses, and all kinds of contaminants. It is still true today in some third world countries where immediately after you step off an airplane they tell you not to drink the water! Regarding alcohol and its effects it has on people, the easy temptation to consume more than one can handle, and due to the possibility causing another brother or sister stumbling in their walk with Christ, it may be best for a Christian to abstain from drinking all together.
God bless everyone!
 

hornetguy

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As if we actually need a study.
Funny how if anyone will tell the truth they will admit when they first started drinking they felt a buzz after the first couple sips or first drink. And then after they progressed in their endeavor it took more.

Now lie about it.
Thanks for the suggestion, but I'll leave that up to you. One of us doing it is enough. I'll stick with my experiences, you stick with your made up "facts"..
 

lightbearer

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How many have heard or said this. I just have one drink after work to relax or when I go out to loosen me up.
A couple sips AND or One drink does not affect you?
No?
Liars all of you
 

WithinReason

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do you believe this is why the disciples kept falling asleep in Gethsemane?
because Jesus had gotten most or all of them drunk at the last supper when He passed the cup around?
Just ... *shakes head* ...
 

posthuman

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How many have heard or said this. I just have one drink after work to relax or when I go out to loosen me up.
A couple sips AND or One drink does not affect you?
No?
Liars all of you
lol what is your premise?
anything that affects you at all is sinful?

so much for your 'works righteousness' -- not one millisecond of your life on earth has your body ever been unaffected by the universe.
every breath you take.
 

posthuman

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Just ... *shakes head* ...
exactly.

what a ridiculous argument, to say a single sip of wine intoxicates a person and is sin.
Jesus drank wine. Jesus passed wine around saying '
drink' at the last supper.


the implications of accusing of sin anyone who takes a sip are idiotic.




oh - you're going to reply with 8 walls of text literally no one will read, to say, 'twas only mildly flavored grape water' ??

see page 1.
 

lightbearer

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lol what is your premise?
anything that affects you at all is sinful?


so much for your 'works righteousness' -- not one millisecond of your life on earth has your body ever been unaffected by the universe.
every breath you take.
Alcohol. We as priests and kings of the most High God are not to partake of it because even a little affects are judgment and emotions.
We are A chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that we should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. WE As lively stones, are built up a spiritual house. Upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. The temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
(Rev 5:10; 1:6; 1Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22 1 Cor 6:19)

What was the council for Kings and Priests?


It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.(Prov 31:4,5 KJV)

Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:
(Lev 10:9 KJV)

Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations: And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;
(Lev 10:9-10 KJV)
Neither shall any priest drink wine, when they enter into the inner court.
(Eze 44:21 KJV)

So We see that we as Kings are not to drink wine or strong drink at all lest their judgment be perverted. And we as Priests are not to drink wine or strong drink before we entered the inner court yard and the Tabernacle of the Congregation, the Temple.

Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
(1Cor 3:16)



LOL? You think this funny or I am?

I assure you It is not a laughing matter if someone is mislead or we think they are mislead. That is very serious in God's eyes.

LOL? I guess you have no idea how pompous it is of you to say that? Or how insulting that can be perceived?

Or maybe you would also lack the understanding if someone would go off on you because it is?
 

posthuman

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Alcohol. We as priests and kings of the most High God are not to partake of it because even a little affects are judgment and emotions.
We are A chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that we should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. WE As lively stones, are built up a spiritual house. Upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. The temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
(Rev 5:10; 1:6; 1Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22 1 Cor 6:19)

What was the council for Kings and Priests?


It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.(Prov 31:4,5 KJV)

Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:
(Lev 10:9 KJV)

Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations: And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;
(Lev 10:9-10 KJV)
Neither shall any priest drink wine, when they enter into the inner court.
(Eze 44:21 KJV)

So We see that we as Kings are not to drink wine or strong drink at all lest their judgment be perverted. And we as Priests are not to drink wine or strong drink before we entered the inner court yard and the Tabernacle of the Congregation, the Temple.

Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
(1Cor 3:16)



LOL? You think this funny or I am?

I assure you It is not a laughing matter if someone is mislead or we think they are mislead. That is very serious in God's eyes.

LOL? I guess you have no idea how pompous it is of you to say that? Or how insulting that can be perceived?

Or maybe you would also lack the understanding if someone would go off on you because it is?
see page 1.
 

lightbearer

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exactly.

what a ridiculous argument, to say a single sip of wine intoxicates a person and is sin.
Jesus drank wine. Jesus passed wine around saying '
drink' at the last supper.


the implications of accusing of sin anyone who takes a sip are idiotic.




oh - you're going to reply with 8 walls of text literally no one will read, to say, 'twas only mildly flavored grape water' ??

see page 1.
Your pompous attitude is showing and is quite telling. Ridiculous, idiotic, 8 walls of text no one will read?

You are assuming and stating that God would place a stumbling before the world. A world that is already weak because of the consequences of sin.

Now what? You are going to post some text for your love of this world and one of the things of it; Alcohol ?
 

lightbearer

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What for an excuse to love the world and the things of it? As priest and kings of the Most High God we are called to ministry always. No longer part of this world and the things of it. An example living in the joy of the Lord. Not a stumblingblock by partaking of the world and the things of it.
 

posthuman

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God would place a stumbling before the world.

Behold!
I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples,
when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem!

(Zechariah 12:2)


 

posthuman

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because even a little affects are judgment and emotions
And he said to him,
“Every man at the beginning sets out the good wine, and when the guests have well drunk, then the inferior.
You have kept the good wine until now!”
(John 2:10)
the scripture indicates that one of the properties of 'good wine' is that it affects a person's 'judgement and emotions'
the scripture indicates that upon taking it, a person becomes apt to be content ((emotion)) with a drink that they would otherwise have complained ((judgement)) about.
the scripture indicates that this is a property of the wine that Jesus gives at the feast.


this is on page 1. 41 pages later, have we taken it to heart?
 

posthuman

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You are assuming and stating that God would place a stumbling before the world.

The Lord of hosts, Him you shall hallow; let Him be your fear, and let Him be your dread.
He will be as a Sanctuary, but a Stone of Stumbling and a Rock of Offense
to both the houses of Israel, as a trap and a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
(Isaiah 8:13-14)


((see also Matthew 21:43-44, Romans 9:30-33, 1 Peter 2:8 etc))

He came eating and drinking, and they said, here is a glutton, a sot.
 

lightbearer

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And he said to him,
“Every man at the beginning sets out the good wine, and when the guests have well drunk, then the inferior.
You have kept the good wine until now!”
(John 2:10)
the scripture indicates that one of the properties of 'good wine' is that it affects a person's 'judgement and emotions'
the scripture indicates that upon taking it, a person becomes apt to be content ((emotion)) with a drink that they would otherwise have complained ((judgement)) about.
the scripture indicates that this is a property of the wine that Jesus gives at the feast.


this is on page 1. 41 pages later, have we taken it to heart?
You are assuming that GOD provided Alcohol. Just like I am assuming that he did not.

However Nothing in the Text says the Good wine was fermented.

Outside of the fact that they weren't to get drunk as children of God. I wonder how many sins were committed then or later on by those who were drunk ? And if God did provide more alcohol to further this drunken endeavor would He be responsible for the ill actions of those whom committed said sins.

Jesus our High Priest has anointed us all. Are joy is to be of this not of the world and the things of it.


WE ARE chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that we should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. WE As lively stones, are built up a spiritual house. Upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. The temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? TO BE LIVING OF THIS WORLD AND THINGS OF IT. A never ending ministry in which we need to be drunk in the Spirit not of the flesh.
(Rev 5:10; 1:6; 1Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22 1 Cor 6:19)

What was the council for Kings and Priests?

NOT TO DRINK SO OUR JUDGMENT IS SOUND ALL THE TIME.
 

WithinReason

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... to say a single sip of wine intoxicates a person and is sin.
It sure is (a sin), already demonstrated with actual study (refer to what you call (not I) 'walls of text').

Jesus drank wine. Jesus passed wine around saying 'drink' at the last supper.
Already demonstrated that the word 'wine' has several meanings in Hebrew, Syriac, koine Greek, English and many other languages. So, Jesus drank 'wine' (fruit of the vine, juice of the grape, the pure blood of the grape), but never was it alcohol, since Jesus is KING of Kings, and its not for Kings to drink alcohol, as already established.

Alcohol, is not a "fruit of the vine". It is the fermentation of the vine. Jesus is the True Vine at the Last Supper, of which no fermentation (leaven) was allowed (Passover), see the OT texts and the NT text already cited on it.

the implications of accusing of sin anyone who takes a sip are idiotic.
O, the Bible already identified the 'not wise', yea even the 'fool'. I covered those texts too. I refer you to those. Feel free to utilize the search function on this forum.


oh - you're going to reply with 8 walls of text literally no one will read, to say, '
twas only mildly flavored grape water' ??
Sounds like whining to me, and no, you're guessing would be in error, as I already replied to everything that required response (a long time ago). Perhaps, and this just advice, you should address the material presented instead of attempting to sidestep all of it on nearly every occasion (multiple responses I could place in evidence here), and merely referring to page 1, of which, the OP was long ago, and in many instances refuted with substantial scripture evidence. As for your own replies, there is nothing in them (such as they were), that has not already been addressed, sometimes even on numerous occasions.


O, I hope everyone reads page 1, sees the OP, and all your 'responses' (we'll call them that for now), and then continues to those worthy responses to such shallow reasoning, and evidences, with the truth of the matter in my responses.

So, while you simply say, 'see page 1', it is written:

Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Ecc 3:15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.​

Wash, rinse, repeat.
 

posthuman

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Are you saying Jesus was a drunk also?
i am not the one saying everyone who drinks a cup is drunk.


Speak up and judge fairly;
defend the rights of the poor and needy.
(Proverbs 31:7)

what do the preceding two verses say about the poor and needy?


though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich.
(2 Corinthians 8:9)
causing to forget

I, even I, am He that blotteth out thy transgressions for Mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
(Isaiah 43:25)
the voice in your ear tells you to think that i write these things to puff myself up, and to excuse myself to drink into a stupor.
i am writing these things because we are supposed to be talking about Jesus Christ, and magnifying Him. listen for Him; listen for Him in all the scriptures on page 1. listen for Him in creation which also testifies of Him.

I did not come to judge the world but to save the world
(John 12:47)

speak of Him :)
 

WithinReason

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i am not the one saying everyone who drinks a cup is drunk.
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Fallacy of bait and switch. Notice the actual OP topic: "Is it a sin to drink alcohol"

It did not state anything about amount. The OP title does not say, "Is it a sin to be drunk with alcohol". It clearly states "Is it a sin to drink alcohol".

Even in the OP, notice the caviling here:. "The drunken state is what the Bible most warns about." It says, "most". The OP didn't say "all" or "only". This means that the Bible also warns about other issues with alcohol, not merely "the drunken state", and this I have throughly shown to be the case. (ie, what you avoid and call 'walls of text")