Is it a sin to drink alcohol
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exactly.
what a ridiculous argument, to say a single sip of wine intoxicates a person and is sin.
Jesus drank wine. Jesus passed wine around saying 'drink' at the last supper.
the implications of accusing of sin anyone who takes a sip are idiotic.
oh - you're going to reply with 8 walls of text literally no one will read, to say, 'twas only mildly flavored grape water' ??
see page 1.
what a ridiculous argument, to say a single sip of wine intoxicates a person and is sin.
Jesus drank wine. Jesus passed wine around saying 'drink' at the last supper.
the implications of accusing of sin anyone who takes a sip are idiotic.
oh - you're going to reply with 8 walls of text literally no one will read, to say, 'twas only mildly flavored grape water' ??
see page 1.
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Alcohol. We as priests and kings of the most High God are not to partake of it because even a little affects are judgment and emotions.
We are A chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that we should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. WE As lively stones, are built up a spiritual house. Upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. The temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
(Rev 5:10; 1:6; 1Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22 1 Cor 6:19)
What was the council for Kings and Priests?
It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.(Prov 31:4,5 KJV)
Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:
(Lev 10:9 KJV)
Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations: And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;
(Lev 10:9-10 KJV)
Neither shall any priest drink wine, when they enter into the inner court.
(Eze 44:21 KJV)
So We see that we as Kings are not to drink wine or strong drink at all lest their judgment be perverted. And we as Priests are not to drink wine or strong drink before we entered the inner court yard and the Tabernacle of the Congregation, the Temple.
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
(1Cor 3:16)
LOL? You think this funny or I am?
I assure you It is not a laughing matter if someone is mislead or we think they are mislead. That is very serious in God's eyes.
LOL? I guess you have no idea how pompous it is of you to say that? Or how insulting that can be perceived?
Or maybe you would also lack the understanding if someone would go off on you because it is?
We are A chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that we should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. WE As lively stones, are built up a spiritual house. Upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. The temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
(Rev 5:10; 1:6; 1Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22 1 Cor 6:19)
What was the council for Kings and Priests?
It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.(Prov 31:4,5 KJV)
Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:
(Lev 10:9 KJV)
Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations: And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;
(Lev 10:9-10 KJV)
Neither shall any priest drink wine, when they enter into the inner court.
(Eze 44:21 KJV)
So We see that we as Kings are not to drink wine or strong drink at all lest their judgment be perverted. And we as Priests are not to drink wine or strong drink before we entered the inner court yard and the Tabernacle of the Congregation, the Temple.
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
(1Cor 3:16)
LOL? You think this funny or I am?
I assure you It is not a laughing matter if someone is mislead or we think they are mislead. That is very serious in God's eyes.
LOL? I guess you have no idea how pompous it is of you to say that? Or how insulting that can be perceived?
Or maybe you would also lack the understanding if someone would go off on you because it is?
Your pompous attitude is showing and is quite telling. Ridiculous, idiotic, 8 walls of text no one will read?
You are assuming and stating that God would place a stumbling before the world. A world that is already weak because of the consequences of sin.
Now what? You are going to post some text for your love of this world and one of the things of it; Alcohol ?
You are assuming and stating that God would place a stumbling before the world. A world that is already weak because of the consequences of sin.
Now what? You are going to post some text for your love of this world and one of the things of it; Alcohol ?
And he said to him,
“Every man at the beginning sets out the good wine, and when the guests have well drunk, then the inferior.
You have kept the good wine until now!”
(John 2:10)
the scripture indicates that one of the properties of 'good wine' is that it affects a person's 'judgement and emotions' the scripture indicates that upon taking it, a person becomes apt to be content ((emotion)) with a drink that they would otherwise have complained ((judgement)) about.
the scripture indicates that this is a property of the wine that Jesus gives at the feast.
this is on page 1. 41 pages later, have we taken it to heart?
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The Lord of hosts, Him you shall hallow; let Him be your fear, and let Him be your dread.
He will be as a Sanctuary, but a Stone of Stumbling and a Rock of Offense
to both the houses of Israel, as a trap and a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
(Isaiah 8:13-14)
((see also Matthew 21:43-44, Romans 9:30-33, 1 Peter 2:8 etc))
He came eating and drinking, and they said, here is a glutton, a sot.
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You are assuming that GOD provided Alcohol. Just like I am assuming that he did not.
However Nothing in the Text says the Good wine was fermented.
Outside of the fact that they weren't to get drunk as children of God. I wonder how many sins were committed then or later on by those who were drunk ? And if God did provide more alcohol to further this drunken endeavor would He be responsible for the ill actions of those whom committed said sins.
Jesus our High Priest has anointed us all. Are joy is to be of this not of the world and the things of it.
WE ARE chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that we should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. WE As lively stones, are built up a spiritual house. Upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. The temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? TO BE LIVING OF THIS WORLD AND THINGS OF IT. A never ending ministry in which we need to be drunk in the Spirit not of the flesh.
(Rev 5:10; 1:6; 1Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22 1 Cor 6:19)
What was the council for Kings and Priests?
NOT TO DRINK SO OUR JUDGMENT IS SOUND ALL THE TIME.
However Nothing in the Text says the Good wine was fermented.
Outside of the fact that they weren't to get drunk as children of God. I wonder how many sins were committed then or later on by those who were drunk ? And if God did provide more alcohol to further this drunken endeavor would He be responsible for the ill actions of those whom committed said sins.
Jesus our High Priest has anointed us all. Are joy is to be of this not of the world and the things of it.
WE ARE chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that we should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. WE As lively stones, are built up a spiritual house. Upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. The temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? TO BE LIVING OF THIS WORLD AND THINGS OF IT. A never ending ministry in which we need to be drunk in the Spirit not of the flesh.
(Rev 5:10; 1:6; 1Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22 1 Cor 6:19)
What was the council for Kings and Priests?
NOT TO DRINK SO OUR JUDGMENT IS SOUND ALL THE TIME.
It sure is (a sin), already demonstrated with actual study (refer to what you call (not I) 'walls of text').
Already demonstrated that the word 'wine' has several meanings in Hebrew, Syriac, koine Greek, English and many other languages. So, Jesus drank 'wine' (fruit of the vine, juice of the grape, the pure blood of the grape), but never was it alcohol, since Jesus is KING of Kings, and its not for Kings to drink alcohol, as already established.
Alcohol, is not a "fruit of the vine". It is the fermentation of the vine. Jesus is the True Vine at the Last Supper, of which no fermentation (leaven) was allowed (Passover), see the OT texts and the NT text already cited on it.
O, the Bible already identified the 'not wise', yea even the 'fool'. I covered those texts too. I refer you to those. Feel free to utilize the search function on this forum.
Sounds like whining to me, and no, you're guessing would be in error, as I already replied to everything that required response (a long time ago). Perhaps, and this just advice, you should address the material presented instead of attempting to sidestep all of it on nearly every occasion (multiple responses I could place in evidence here), and merely referring to page 1, of which, the OP was long ago, and in many instances refuted with substantial scripture evidence. As for your own replies, there is nothing in them (such as they were), that has not already been addressed, sometimes even on numerous occasions.
O, I hope everyone reads page 1, sees the OP, and all your 'responses' (we'll call them that for now), and then continues to those worthy responses to such shallow reasoning, and evidences, with the truth of the matter in my responses.
So, while you simply say, 'see page 1', it is written:
Wash, rinse, repeat.
Already demonstrated that the word 'wine' has several meanings in Hebrew, Syriac, koine Greek, English and many other languages. So, Jesus drank 'wine' (fruit of the vine, juice of the grape, the pure blood of the grape), but never was it alcohol, since Jesus is KING of Kings, and its not for Kings to drink alcohol, as already established.
Alcohol, is not a "fruit of the vine". It is the fermentation of the vine. Jesus is the True Vine at the Last Supper, of which no fermentation (leaven) was allowed (Passover), see the OT texts and the NT text already cited on it.
O, the Bible already identified the 'not wise', yea even the 'fool'. I covered those texts too. I refer you to those. Feel free to utilize the search function on this forum.
Sounds like whining to me, and no, you're guessing would be in error, as I already replied to everything that required response (a long time ago). Perhaps, and this just advice, you should address the material presented instead of attempting to sidestep all of it on nearly every occasion (multiple responses I could place in evidence here), and merely referring to page 1, of which, the OP was long ago, and in many instances refuted with substantial scripture evidence. As for your own replies, there is nothing in them (such as they were), that has not already been addressed, sometimes even on numerous occasions.
O, I hope everyone reads page 1, sees the OP, and all your 'responses' (we'll call them that for now), and then continues to those worthy responses to such shallow reasoning, and evidences, with the truth of the matter in my responses.
So, while you simply say, 'see page 1', it is written:
Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Ecc 3:15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
i am not the one saying everyone who drinks a cup is drunk.
what do the preceding two verses say about the poor and needy?
i am writing these things because we are supposed to be talking about Jesus Christ, and magnifying Him. listen for Him; listen for Him in all the scriptures on page 1. listen for Him in creation which also testifies of Him.
I did not come to judge the world but to save the world
(John 12:47)
speak of Him
Speak up and judge fairly;
defend the rights of the poor and needy.
(Proverbs 31:7)
what do the preceding two verses say about the poor and needy?
though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich.
(2 Corinthians 8:9)
causing to forget(2 Corinthians 8:9)
I, even I, am He that blotteth out thy transgressions for Mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
(Isaiah 43:25)
the voice in your ear tells you to think that i write these things to puff myself up, and to excuse myself to drink into a stupor. (Isaiah 43:25)
i am writing these things because we are supposed to be talking about Jesus Christ, and magnifying Him. listen for Him; listen for Him in all the scriptures on page 1. listen for Him in creation which also testifies of Him.
I did not come to judge the world but to save the world
(John 12:47)
speak of Him
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Fallacy of bait and switch. Notice the actual OP topic: "Is it a sin to drink alcohol"
It did not state anything about amount. The OP title does not say, "Is it a sin to be drunk with alcohol". It clearly states "Is it a sin to drink alcohol".
Even in the OP, notice the caviling here:. "The drunken state is what the Bible most warns about." It says, "most". The OP didn't say "all" or "only". This means that the Bible also warns about other issues with alcohol, not merely "the drunken state", and this I have throughly shown to be the case. (ie, what you avoid and call 'walls of text")
It did not state anything about amount. The OP title does not say, "Is it a sin to be drunk with alcohol". It clearly states "Is it a sin to drink alcohol".
Even in the OP, notice the caviling here:. "The drunken state is what the Bible most warns about." It says, "most". The OP didn't say "all" or "only". This means that the Bible also warns about other issues with alcohol, not merely "the drunken state", and this I have throughly shown to be the case. (ie, what you avoid and call 'walls of text")
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