Is Jesus Christ YHWH God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob??

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Cup-of-Ruin

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Graybeard said:
Merry Christmas to you too! but can you answer the question?

now what about this..Jesus is interceding for us to who?

Rom 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
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Well I believe I have answered this already, with the prayer that Jesus Christ prayed as a man to God, in fact the birth, death and ressurrection of Christ would be nessessary for the salvation of mankind as Christ is before all things, which means God had to do it first for it to be done, are we not conformed to His image? The image manifested in which the Godhead dwelt bodily, so it was done, so now God intercedes.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin said:
Well I believe I have answered this already, with the prayer that Jesus Christ prayed as a man to God, in fact the birth, death and ressurrection of Christ would be nessessary for the salvation of mankind as Christ is before all things, which means God had to do it first for it to be done, are we not conformed to His image? The image manifested in which the Godhead dwelt bodily, so it was done, so now God intercedes.
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In Rev2:27 Jesus says he has been given authority from His Father.

In Rev3:12 Jesus refers to God as My God four times

In Rev1:1 It says the Revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him.

I think the problem here is, man in his wisdom just has to go beyond what is actually written in the Bible. He has all this wisdom that can interpret far beyond what is written. Anyone who believes Jesus is God the Father in Heaven, has to dismiss much plainly written scripture, and has to feel they are more spiritually enlightened than the Apostle Paul. He was explicit on this in 1Cor15:24-28

But what is Paul's spiritual knowledge compared to what some know these days!
 
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Cup-of-Ruin said:
Well I believe I have answered this already, with the prayer that Jesus Christ prayed as a man to God, in fact the birth, death and ressurrection of Christ would be nessessary for the salvation of mankind as Christ is before all things, which means God had to do it first for it to be done, are we not conformed to His image? The image manifested in which the Godhead dwelt bodily, so it was done, so now God intercedes.
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Ok..so now God intercedes...but to whom does He intercede?
 
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livingbygrace said:
In Rev2:27 Jesus says he has been given authority from His Father.

In Rev3:12 Jesus refers to God as My God four times

In Rev1:1 It says the Revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him.

I think the problem here is, man in his wisdom just has to go beyond what is actually written in the Bible. He has all this wisdom that can interpret far beyond what is written. Anyone who believes Jesus is God the Father in Heaven, has to dismiss much plainly written scripture, and has to feel they are more spiritually enlightened than the Apostle Paul. He was explicit on this in 1Cor15:24-28

But what is Paul's spiritual knowledge compared to what some know these days!
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Another one that denies Jesus Christ His rightful position, this is interesting, I wonder how many more of you there will be, I am expecting I will be in the minority, and they don't even believe that Jesus is God in Heaven anymore, little Christians and that He is Saviour, do not be so foolish as this. They make Him a lessor god, I see, but they are wrong, do not make the same mistake little christians, you must believe in Jesus Christ, on His Name, there is no other name by which you can be saved and there is only only one, do I need to telll you that, let the Spirit testify that it is so, the word of God declares it, there is no doubt, do not be decieved!
 
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I have always been amazed that those who believe in TRINITY are also ones that lack faith in many things. They seem to be the ones coming to my church asking for hand outs. I ask them how do you believe and why are you not involved in that church. They say, We are tired of repitional for trinitarians believe you have to have all 3 GODS in 1 agreement before anything can be done. I ask them, how do you get saved, how do you get healed, how do you cast out demons, how do you stand in faith, how do you accept HOLY GHOST, who was your example of how to be like GOD, when your in trouble who do you call on? I then ask can you call on the FATHER for these or HOLY GHOST? They say no we cant. I say amen and you know why? They say tell them. I say, Have no other gods before me. By JESUS alone do we have all of these. Even Peter the ROCK said in ACTS 2:38 Repent each and everyone of you and be baptized in the name of JESUS. JESUS is the complete GODHEAD...
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And this Jesus whom you preach said that if we asked anything of the Father, He will do it because of Jesus.

I believe in the Father, creator of all. I believe in the Son, Whom the Father has made to be above everything in heaven and in the earth, excepting the Father who had lifted Him up above all things. I believe in the Spirit, who has come into my heart to be the power and the life and the love of God the Father and of God the Son. And at times I feel the heart of the Spirit and the grief that He feels because of the unbelief and the hardness of heart that the body of Christ has towards Him in these times. I pray to the Father, I come before Him in the Holiest place which is beyond the veil, for grace is coming into the presence of the Father and having His glory change me into His image, from glory to glory. And Jesus lives to always intercede for those who are drawing near to God through Him. I am seated in heavenly places with the Father in Christ, and my fellowship is with the Father through Christ.

In His peace,
 
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Cup-of-Ruin said:
I'm a Christian, the Kingdom rests upon His shoulders- Jesus Christ, yet you claim there is one greater, whom is that? There is none Greater then Jesus Christ, He is Almighty God and in His Name I am saved.
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The Father has made all things to be a footstool under His feet...........excepting Him who has subjected all things unto Him.
 
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Indeed, Jesus always lives to intercede for those who are drawing near to the Father through Him.

It is interesting that Jesus has become our High Priest, but with whom do we need a priest? Jesus said an amazing thing in John about how the Father has given Him to lay down His life, and to take it up again, for the sheep. For this reason does the Father love Him, because He laid down His life for the sheep.

If we have not fellowship with the Father through Jesus, then we have not yet arrived at salvation. For the word of the cross is foolishness to the world, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God. The Father did not taste of the death of the cross for us, except that He sent His only Son into the world to taste that death for and to sin for us. Before the intercessor came and bridged the gulf that separated us from the Father, who is the living God on the throne in heaven, we had no hope of salvation, being dead in our sins. Jesus brings us to the Father that we might have life, more abundantly. It is through Him that we have our access to the Father.

In His peace,
 
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livingbygrace

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And this Jesus whom you preach said that if we asked anything of the Father, He will do it because of Jesus.

I believe in the Father, creator of all. I believe in the Son, Whom the Father has made to be above everything in heaven and in the earth, excepting the Father who had lifted Him up above all things. I believe in the Spirit, who has come into my heart to be the power and the life and the love of God the Father and of God the Son. And at times I feel the heart of the Spirit and the grief that He feels because of the unbelief and the hardness of heart that the body of Christ has towards Him in these times. I pray to the Father, I come before Him in the Holiest place which is beyond the veil, for grace is coming into the presence of the Father and having His glory change me into His image, from glory to glory. And Jesus lives to always intercede for those who are drawing near to God through Him. I am seated in heavenly places with the Father in Christ, and my fellowship is with the Father through Christ.

In His peace,
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Amen. It is great to read a post totally based on scripture, not om human reasoning
 
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Cup-of-Ruin said:
Another one that denies Jesus Christ His rightful position, this is interesting, I wonder how many more of you there will be, I am expecting I will be in the minority, and they don't even believe that Jesus is God in Heaven anymore, little Christians and that He is Saviour, do not be so foolish as this. They make Him a lessor god, I see, but they are wrong, do not make the same mistake little christians, you must believe in Jesus Christ, on His Name, there is no other name by which you can be saved and there is only only one, do I need to telll you that, let the Spirit testify that it is so, the word of God declares it, there is no doubt, do not be decieved!
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Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For He has put everything under his feet.
Now when it says that everything has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God Himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to Him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. 1Cor15:24-28

To be called a 'little Christian' for believing the Apostle Paul's words, as well as Jesus words, and his Fathers words I believe says much. It speaks volumes in fact, nothing else I could add would be able to emphasise why some ignore what the Father, Son and Apostle Paul clearly say.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin said:
Another one that denies Jesus Christ His rightful position, this is interesting, I wonder how many more of you there will be, I am expecting I will be in the minority, and they don't even believe that Jesus is God in Heaven anymore, little Christians and that He is Saviour, do not be so foolish as this. They make Him a lessor god, I see, but they are wrong, do not make the same mistake little christians, you must believe in Jesus Christ, on His Name, there is no other name by which you can be saved and there is only only one, do I need to telll you that, let the Spirit testify that it is so, the word of God declares it, there is no doubt, do not be decieved!
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little cup...open your eyes and see that the sun does not orbit the Earth, and just maybe you might be taken seriously.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin said:
Another one that denies Jesus Christ His rightful position, this is interesting, I wonder how many more of you there will be, I am expecting I will be in the minority, and they don't even believe that Jesus is God in Heaven anymore, little Christians and that He is Saviour, do not be so foolish as this. They make Him a lessor god, I see, but they are wrong, do not make the same mistake little christians, you must believe in Jesus Christ, on His Name, there is no other name by which you can be saved and there is only only one, do I need to telll you that, let the Spirit testify that it is so, the word of God declares it, there is no doubt, do not be decieved!
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"Any man more right than his neighbors constitutes a majority of one." Henry David Thoreau
 
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little cup...open your eyes and see that the sun does not orbit the Earth, and just maybe you might be taken seriously.
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Actually I've been working on trying to calculate the mass of cup's ego. I suspect that the universe may rotate around him.
 
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charisenexcelcis said:
Actually I've been working on trying to calculate the mass of cup's ego. I suspect that the universe may rotate around him.
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Hi Charisen

I know you are Spirit filled.
I have discussed this much on another website. A Spirit filled person said to me, that in Kenosis(I have never heard of this lol) it is an equal Trinity, but with a heirarchy with the Father at the head. My small mind and understanding rests easy with that lol.
 
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livingbygrace said:
Hi Charisen

I know you are Spirit filled.
I have discussed this much on another website. A Spirit filled person said to me, that in Kenosis(I have never heard of this lol) it is an equal Trinity, but with a heirarchy with the Father at the head. My small mind and understanding rests easy with that lol.
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I agree. The hierarchy of the Trinity is an eternal structure.
 
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Kenosis is a term for emptying, lifted from the Greek in the Philippians passage.
 
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livingbygrace said:
Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For He has put everything under his feet.
Now when it says that everything has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God Himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to Him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. 1Cor15:24-28

To be called a 'little Christian' for believing the Apostle Paul's words, as well as Jesus words, and his Fathers words I believe says much. It speaks volumes in fact, nothing else I could add would be able to emphasise why some ignore what the Father, Son and Apostle Paul clearly say.
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The end of the millennial age. Because God must reign, and this is the manner of His reign, that the Father will be showed to be King in His Son, who was made man, now ressurrected with a body - Christ by extension His church - the bride, as He prayed now His body is one and this will be the kingdom.
 
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VW said:
And this Jesus whom you preach said that if we asked anything of the Father, He will do it because of Jesus.

I believe in the Father, creator of all. I believe in the Son, Whom the Father has made to be above everything in heaven and in the earth, excepting the Father who had lifted Him up above all things. I believe in the Spirit, who has come into my heart to be the power and the life and the love of God the Father and of God the Son. And at times I feel the heart of the Spirit and the grief that He feels because of the unbelief and the hardness of heart that the body of Christ has towards Him in these times. I pray to the Father, I come before Him in the Holiest place which is beyond the veil, for grace is coming into the presence of the Father and having His glory change me into His image, from glory to glory. And Jesus lives to always intercede for those who are drawing near to God through Him. I am seated in heavenly places with the Father in Christ, and my fellowship is with the Father through Christ.

In His peace,
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Interesting claim you make FATHER created all but when you read Colossians 1:15-17 you see that JESUS is also the invisible GOD and CREATOR of all for HIM and by HIM which would make JESUS also the FATHER. Thank you for pointing that out to help my claim.
 
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