Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God Needed for Eternal Life?

[Eccl12and13]

Rom.7
[10] And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.


What was ordained to life?


Rom.7
[10] And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

What was it that died?


If God's laws, "...only gives death...", as some claim, then why did Jesus, Paul, James and ALL that were called to write God's word, in both OT and NT, teach and preach to keep the commandments and laws of God?

Why would ALL teach and preach something that, "...only gives death..."?



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[eternally-gratefull]

Rom.7
[10] And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.


What was ordained to life?


Rom.7
[10] And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

What was it that died?


If God's laws, "...only gives death...", as some claim, then why did Jesus, Paul, James and ALL that were called to write God's word, in both OT and NT, teach and preach to keep the commandments and laws of God?

Why would ALL teach and preach something that, "...only gives death..."?



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1. Isreal taught it gave life, thats why they followed law and rejected Christ. who needs christ when you have law
2. Moses never claimed it gave life, all he claimed is it would allow them to live on earth in peace and be protected by God if they obayed (no eternal significance)

if you want to follow law. good luck, Christ is the only one who fulfilled the law.

 

[Eccl12and13]

1. Isreal taught it gave life, thats why they followed law and rejected Christ. who needs christ when you have law
2. Moses never claimed it gave life, all he claimed is it would allow them to live on earth in peace and be protected by God if they obayed (no eternal significance)

if you want to follow law. good luck, Christ is the only one who fulfilled the law.

If God's laws, "...only gives death...", as some claim, then why did Jesus, Paul, James and ALL that were called to write God's word, in both OT and NT, teach and preach to keep the commandments and laws of God?

Rom.7
[10] And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.


What was ordained to life?


Rom.7
[10] And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

What was it that died?


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[eternally-gratefull]

If God's laws, "...only gives death...", as some claim, then why did Jesus, Paul, James and ALL that were called to write God's word, in both OT and NT, teach and preach to keep the commandments and laws of God?

Rom.7
[10] And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.


What was ordained to life?


Rom.7
[10] And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

What was it that died?


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no one taught you would be saved by obaying the law.

they all taught once we are in Gods family, we will have a better life by obaying the law.

if we are saved by law (anyone) we have something to boast. and take credit for our own salvation, if the law could save us,Christ came in vein!

 

[newcovenantchristian]

I repeat, the law God would now have a Christian keep is written on their heart and mind by the Spirit. The Christian wants to live according to th ten commandments, NOT because they are written on tablets of stone but because they are written ON TABLETS OF HUMAN HEARTS, that's the difference, and its a big difference
The israelites had the law in the OT but most of the time it simply stood in condemnation of them, they were a stiff necked people God told Moses who would soon desert him when they reached the promised land, so having the law didn't do them any good most of the time because their hearts were hard. But God has softened ours. We have the law in our hearts and minds written not with pen and ink,vbut by the Spirit of the living God. Now, if we in our hearts want to obey, it is how obediance is to be achieved.
We can have no confidence in the flesh Phil 3:3
Obediance comes from faith in Christ, (Rom 1:5) for he broke the power of sin at calvary. And it is the power of the Holy Spirit who sanctifies us, and we must rely on him to do it.

 

[JaumeJ]

I repeat, the law God would now have a Christian keep is written on their heart and mind by the Spirit. The Christian wants to live according to th ten commandments, NOT because they are written on tablets of stone but because they are written ON TABLETS OF HUMAN HEARTS, that's the difference, and its a big difference
The israelites had the law in the OT but most of the time it simply stood in condemnation of them, they were a stiff necked people God told Moses who would soon desert him when they reached the promised land, so having the law didn't do them any good most of the time because their hearts were hard. But God has softened ours. We have the law in our hearts and minds written not with pen and ink,vbut by the Spirit of the living God. Now, if we in our hearts want to obey, it is how obediance is to be achieved.
We can have no confidence in the flesh Phil 3:3
Obediance comes from faith in Christ, (Rom 1:5) for he broke the power of sin at calvary. And it is the power of the Holy Spirit who sanctifies us, and we must rely on him to do it.

So you are purporting the following has been fulfilled?
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
It is this last part of the prophecy that does not seem to have come about as yet. I do believe all who know Yeshua, know the law as inscribed on the fleshy tablet of the heart. This by no means is any excuse to teach against studying all of the Word of God, Yahweh, for it is all Yeshua. Unless you believe studying the laws in order to glean wisdom from them as the Word of Yahweh is not to be done. If this is the case, this is censoring the Word, and this is not advisable.

 

[newcovenantchristian]

So you are purporting the following has been fulfilled?
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
It is this last part of the prophecy that does not seem to have come about as yet. I do believe all who know Yeshua, know the law as inscribed on the fleshy tablet of the heart. This by no means is any excuse to teach against studying all of the Word of God, Yahweh, for it is all Yeshua. Unless you believe studying the laws in order to glean wisdom from them as the Word of Yahweh is not to be done. If this is the case, this is censoring the Word, and this is not advisable.

All Israel will be under that covenant for there is a time coming when all Israel will be saved, however, at the moment only a very few are being save by the grace of God, however, Gentiles who are now flocking into the kingdom are already under that new covenant, otherwise, how many covenants do youthink there's gonna be?
NowI know youre going to come back in disagreemnt, so I'll leave you with the last word

 

[WolfInOxHide]

Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God Needed for Eternal Life?

"Here is the patience of the Set Apart believers: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus"

Inseparable for a Set Apart Believer.

As far as the laws that go beyond the tablets of stone, YHWH will tell you if you are to keep them, and how to keep them spiritually under the renewed covenant, as opposed to materially as before. Many of those were for priests only.

For example, do we sew threads on our garment to remember the law?
Or do we decorate our covering, our presentation of ourselves, with remembrance of the law?

 

[Mediate]

That is the ONLY reason to live a life of Godliness! Does God need saving?

We live a righteous life for a reason....we do it for the reward that is promised to us.

Matt.16
[27] For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

And what is that reward based on? The acts and deeds we do in this life. In other words...whether or not w obey God.

Rom.4
[3] For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Now was it ONLY belief that was counted for righteousness...or...did Abraham have to do something to prove his belief? Abraham not only believed in God's words when God told him to sacrifuice Issac, Abraham drew back the knife. And what was said next?

"And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me."

It was not until Abraham performed an action that his faith was counted as righteousness.

Let's read more about the reward that will be given because of our deeds and works;

1 Cor.8
[8] Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
[13] Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
[14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

Rev.22
[12] And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.


Yes! We DO live a life of Godliness to receive what is waiting for us. God does not need saving! We do!





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Then you and I are set worlds apart.

Humanity needs saving from suffering. We were called to feed the hungry and clothe the naked.

My love toward others should not be conditional on what I recieve in return from God. I will be given what Im given. It is just the right thing to do.

 

[Eccl12and13]

no one taught you would be saved by obaying the law.

John 6
[54] Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
[55] For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
[56] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

So....if we eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus we will have eternal life. Well....Jesus is now at the right hand of the Father. So that would be a very hard task to accomplish. Jesus also said if we do this that He would be in us and we in Him. Let's read more for understanding.

[63] It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
[68] Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

So Jesus does not want us to eat His flesh and drink His blood...He wants us to take in His WORDS. And those words are SPIRIT and LIFE. Peter understood that the words that Jesus spoke would give eternal life. And what do we have before us? What can we now consume that will give life? The words of Jesus; Gen.- Rev. Now let's read some of those words that we are to eat;

Deut.8
[3] And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

Matt.4
[4] But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Now let's read if some words spoken by the Master can give eternal life...

Matt.19
[16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.


Now that we have found one that taught that keeping His laws brings eternal life...let's read what happens when those laws are broken.


Rom.5
[21] That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

So sin leads to death. And what is sin? Sin is the breaking of God's laws.

Now what leads to eternal life? "...even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life..."

Hold up...hold up! Before you guys start saying, "You see there...you still need grace...you still need grace!", Let's do as God says and use EVERY WORD THAT COMES FROM GOD!

The verse above says that grace AND righteousness leads to eternal life. So let's find what is righteousness seeing we need it AND grace for eternal life. Let's go to the scriptures....

Rom.1
[29] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Heb.8
[12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

1 John 1
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 5
[17] All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.


So what do we clearly know after reading the above scriptures? That UNRIGHTEOUSNESS is sin. And that sin is the act of breaking God's laws.

Now if those that are UNRIGHTEOUS are those that are breaking God's laws....who are the RIGHTEOUS? Exactly! The RIGHTEOUS are those that are KEEPING God's laws. Now let's go back to the following verse...

Rom.5
[21] That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

So what is it that works hand in hand that leads to eternal life? "... grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life..."


And now back to what happens when God's laws are broken....

Rom.6
[23] For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Again we find what leads to death; sin! Sin being the breaking of God's laws. And the gift of life, which was the shedding of Christ blood, gives eternal life. But as we just learned.....does grace alone reign unto eternal life? No! It is, "...grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life...". And what is righteousness? The opposite of UNRIGHTEOUSNESS! And we just learned that unrighteousness is SIN! Let's read more...

1 John 3
[15] Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

God's word tells us if you break the law of murder you will not have eternal life.

So if you do NOT keep God's laws eternal life will not be available to you.Wait a minute....This is the same thing Jesus said. Jesus said if you KEEP His commandments we will receive eternal life.

It appears that keeping God's laws, or not, has some consequences to it.





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[Eccl12and13]

Humanity needs saving from suffering. We were called to feed the hungry and clothe the naked.

Is that what our savior came to do with the shedding of His blood? To save man from suffering? If Jesus came to save man from suffering He failed! He failed really bad....!



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[JaumeJ]

All Israel will be under that covenant for there is a time coming when all Israel will be saved, however, at the moment only a very few are being save by the grace of God, however, Gentiles who are now flocking into the kingdom are already under that new covenant, otherwise, how many covenants do youthink there's gonna be?
NowI know youre going to come back in disagreemnt, so I'll leave you with the last word

Last word. It seems reasonable to me. I do not know.

 

[Mediate]

Is that what our savior came to do with the shedding of His blood? To save man from suffering? If Jesus came to save man from suffering He failed! He failed really bad....!



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Look up what Jesus says pure religion is.

Remembet his two commandments he left to us that fulfilled all the law.

Then tell me we aren't meant to live lives out of sin and in charitable spirit.

 

[Mediate]

This IS the Holy Spirit; self sacrifice for the good of others. Charity. Patience. Kindness. Meekness. Gentleness. Humility. Forgiveness. Understanding. Compassion. Joy. Peace.

It is asking in every situation 'how can I love my neighbour (those around me, whom I can reach) .

Jesus came not ONLY to save us from sin, but to show us a shining example of what a human beong should be.

People tend to forget that part.

Faith is dead without work.

 

[Eccl12and13]

A few pages back someone was speaking about the righteousness of God, to which I said being righteous is keeping God's laws and commandments. Their reply was, "No it is not". Well...let's read God's word to find out just what being righteous/righteousness is;

Rom.1
[29] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Heb.8
[12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

1 John 1
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 5
[17] All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.


So what do we clearly know after reading the above scriptures? That UNRIGHTEOUSNESS is sin. And that sin is the act of breaking God's laws.

Now if those that are UNRIGHTEOUS are those that are breaking God's laws....who are the RIGHTEOUS and what is RIGHTEOUSNESS? Exactly! The RIGHTEOUS are those that are KEEPING God's laws.


Now let's read more scripture? Let's read what goes hand in hand in order for a person to receive eternal life;


Rom.5
[21] That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

So what is it that works hand in hand that leads to eternal life? "... grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life..."

And we just read what righteousness is. It's keeping the laws and commandments of God.

So we have 'grace' which was a free gift. And what was the free gift? The shedding of Christ blood. And we have righteousness, which is the keeping of God's laws. Together, man now has access to the kingdom of God. If man believes in Christ's free gift, that He shed His blood for the remission of his sins and is righteous he will receive the reward. He will receive the promise of eternal life in the kingdom of God.


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[newcovenantchristian]

A few pages back someone was speaking about the righteousness of God, to which I said being righteous is keeping God's laws and commandments. Their reply was, "No it is not". Well...let's read God's word to find out just what being righteous/righteousness is;



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I guess that someone was me, so lets look at what is plainly written, once again

For in the Gospel a righteousness from God has been revealed, a righteousness which is by faith, from first to last
Rom1:17

But now a righteousness apart from law has been made known, to which the law and the prophets testify. This righteousness comes from God through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe
Rom 3:21&22

Seems pretty clear to me

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained thrugh the law Christ died for nothing
Gal 2:21

Not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith
Phil3:9

May I ask? Why do you prefer and insist on a righteousness of your own, rather than a righteousness of faith in Christ who shed his blood for you at Calvary?

 

[JaumeJ]

It is always good to study the Word to show oneself approved. If we live in grace and mercy because of Yeshua, Jesus, there is no fear of the law for we are free of the curse of the law.

That said, when we, under grace, study the law and we see that it says when we find our enemy's property we are to safeguard it until we are able to return it to him, being under grace is far from an excuse not to DO that law. To use grace as an excuse not to do what is right is sin.

Again, the Master, by His Own Example, teaches us all about the laws to follow, even though we are free of the curse of the law.

When a believer knows what is the right course of action and refuses to take it, that is sin. No, we are not under the law anymore, but we are under grace guided by common sense and decency.

My theme here, again, is that there is much wisdom in the law, and it is worthy of intense study. It all points to Yeshua, Jesus, and it is good, as long as we realize we are free of its curse.

 

[Eccl12and13]

We all know mankind, ALL of mankind, needed a savior...but why? What caused mankind to need a savior? Did man do something that caused the need of a savior? And what is it that mankind is being saved from? After all....that IS what a 'savior' does; he SAVES someone from something!

Let's read a verse from God's word to determine something that our savior did NOT save us from...


2 Tim. 1
[10] But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:


Now the scripture above tells us that Jesus "...abolished death..."! But as we all know 'death' still happens! Death happened to all of the apostles and death still happens today. Clearly the natural death of man was NOT something that Jesus saved us from.

So what death is it that Jesus abolished?

And this death that was abolished....was that the death that man needed saving from?




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[resurrection33]

Hopefully some have read the Posts "What Law is This Paul Speaks of". And more importantly you have read the (2) posts after, "Answer to the OP Which law is this Paul speaks of Parts 1 & 2", which answers the question of the first post, "What Law is This Paul Speaks of?"

If you have read them, you now understand that Paul speaks of (2) sets of laws throughout his writings. After reading the post hopefully all that read understand that Paul uses the phrases 'works and deeds of the law' NOT to mean that ALL of God's laws have been nailed to His cross. As a matter of fact, Paul teaches all that he preaches to to KEEP God's laws, as he did himself to the best of his abilities.

Now on to a topic that most will not agree with but is a doctrine that is supported by scripture.

My question to the forum, as is indicated by the title; "Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God Needed for Eternal Life?"

Now this is a very simple question, that if thought about logically, has an answer that is just as simple.

So again I ask...."Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God Needed for Eternal Life?

Just as with my other posts....let's toss this topic around for awhile...pray and ask God for wisdom and understanding....and let's study and present God's word as proof and not emotions, to come up with a sound biblical doctrine. And let's remember to use ALL of Gods word....

2 Tim.3
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

That means we cannot toss some scriptures if it seems to contradict others; all MUST be used and work together.

"Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God Needed for Eternal Life?"


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When we sin, life becomes very painful. That will be true throughout eternity. When we resist the temptation to sin, life is very beautiful. That also will always be true.

Don’t let a lot of people who know no more about it than you confuse you. Read the Lord’s Word and then prayerfully reason things out yourself.

 

[Eccl12and13]

When we sin, life becomes very painful. That will be true throughout eternity. When we resist the temptation to sin, life is very beautiful. That also will always be true.

Don’t let a lot of people who know no more about it than you confuse you. Read the Lord’s Word and then prayerfully reason things out yourself.

Thanks for the reply. Any thoughts on the following?




We all know mankind, ALL of mankind, needed a savior...but why? What caused mankind to need a savior? Did man do something that caused the need of a savior? And what is it that mankind is being saved from? After all....that IS what a 'savior' does; he SAVES someone from something!

Let's read a verse from God's word to determine something that our savior did NOT save us from...


2 Tim. 1
[10] But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:


Now the scripture above tells us that Jesus "...abolished death..."! But as we all know 'death' still happens! Death happened to all of the apostles and death still happens today. Clearly the natural death of man was NOT something that Jesus saved us from.

So what death is it that Jesus abolished?

And this death that was abolished....was that the death that man needed saving from?



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