Is KJV the only real bible version?
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Aaaaaaand... beeskillet is probably dancing with joy over the argument he has caused here.
Not that he should take pride in this. Starting an argument here is easy. All you have to do is start a thread with one of the hot-button topics and the ranters will do the rest.
Not that he should take pride in this. Starting an argument here is easy. All you have to do is start a thread with one of the hot-button topics and the ranters will do the rest.
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I noticed he didn't answer that. Some KJV Onlyists think Psalm 12:6 ("The words of the LORD are pure words; As silver tried in a furnace on the earth, refined seven times.") is prophecy that the KJV is the seventh translation from the time of the closing of the canon until the KJV was published, and that "purification" makes the KJV perfect.
Which is of course ridiculous, since there were far more translations that six prior to the KJV. Well over a hundred, in various languages.
Which is of course ridiculous, since there were far more translations that six prior to the KJV. Well over a hundred, in various languages.
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king jimmy is an english translation thats all.
you can find seeming contradictions in all versions. some are better than others some are horrendous (NLT for example) but one should not hold one version over another, then it turns into worship.
if it fine to say that all you like to read (I am a NKjimmy man myself) but to hold it or judge others because they read something else is wrong.
you can find seeming contradictions in all versions. some are better than others some are horrendous (NLT for example) but one should not hold one version over another, then it turns into worship.
if it fine to say that all you like to read (I am a NKjimmy man myself) but to hold it or judge others because they read something else is wrong.
From the Septuagint that he quoted from.
New Testament
Hebrews 1:6 ( KJV ) [SUP]6[/SUP]And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
The writer of Hebrews quotes this verse from Deuteronomy 32:43
Masoretic text
Deuteronomy 32:43 ( KJV ) [SUP]43[/SUP]Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.
Where are the words, "And let all the angels of God worship him"?
Septuagint
Deuteronomy 32:43 Rejoice, ye heavens, with him, and let all the angels of God worship him; rejoice ye Gentiles, with his people, and let all the sons of God strengthen themselves in him; for he will avenge the blood of his sons, and he will render vengeance, and recompense justice to his enemies, and will reward them that hate him; and the Lord shall purge the land of his people.
There are quite a few other passages that are quoted in the NT from the OT that the KJV (Masoretic text) renders wrongly.
New Testament
Hebrews 1:6 ( KJV ) [SUP]6[/SUP]And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
The writer of Hebrews quotes this verse from Deuteronomy 32:43
Masoretic text
Deuteronomy 32:43 ( KJV ) [SUP]43[/SUP]Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.
Where are the words, "And let all the angels of God worship him"?
Septuagint
Deuteronomy 32:43 Rejoice, ye heavens, with him, and let all the angels of God worship him; rejoice ye Gentiles, with his people, and let all the sons of God strengthen themselves in him; for he will avenge the blood of his sons, and he will render vengeance, and recompense justice to his enemies, and will reward them that hate him; and the Lord shall purge the land of his people.
There are quite a few other passages that are quoted in the NT from the OT that the KJV (Masoretic text) renders wrongly.
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Here's another.
New Testament
Hebrews 10:5 ( KJV ) [SUP]5[/SUP]Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
The writer of Hebrews quotes this verse from Psalm 40:6
Masoretic text
Psalms 40:6 ( KJV ) [SUP]6 [/SUP]Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
Where are the words, " but a body hast thou prepared me:"? This is an important part to leave out since it speaks of the incarnation of Christ.
Septuagint
Psalms 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not; but a body hast thou prepared me: whole-burnt-offering and sacrifice for sin thou didst not require.
The phrase, " but a body hast thou prepared me," is the key to the argument Paul is making. If his readers were reading the Masoretic text his argument wouldn't make sense
Here's another.
New Testament
Hebrews 10:5 ( KJV ) [SUP]5[/SUP]Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
The writer of Hebrews quotes this verse from Psalm 40:6
Masoretic text
Psalms 40:6 ( KJV ) [SUP]6 [/SUP]Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
Where are the words, " but a body hast thou prepared me:"? This is an important part to leave out since it speaks of the incarnation of Christ.
Septuagint
Psalms 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not; but a body hast thou prepared me: whole-burnt-offering and sacrifice for sin thou didst not require.
The phrase, " but a body hast thou prepared me," is the key to the argument Paul is making. If his readers were reading the Masoretic text his argument wouldn't make sense
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Where did Paul say the treasure was hidden? It's in earthen vessels... that's a theme found throughout scripture. What does a furnace represent?
Purification. Whether purifying a person through trials and tribulations, or purifying metal through intense heat, or purifying a book through intense debate and scrutiny. Men (earthen vessels) wrote down words they felt were God's word (silver). They researched, debated and discussed and made changes (furnace) until finally on the seventh revision the book became the pure words of God.
Purification. Whether purifying a person through trials and tribulations, or purifying metal through intense heat, or purifying a book through intense debate and scrutiny. Men (earthen vessels) wrote down words they felt were God's word (silver). They researched, debated and discussed and made changes (furnace) until finally on the seventh revision the book became the pure words of God.
Thanks for explaining... well, it sounds like then that the seventh revision in any language would be the pure words of God... also, if a friend and I take, say, the World English Bible, engage in intense debate and scrutiny about it, make revisions to it, on the seventh pass it will be the word of God.
Everybody says the KJV has errors and yet no one can produce any errors. I've already told you there are no difference in the revisions... If you think there is, go find it and we can discuss. There is no comparison between the KJV and the modern translations. Unfortunately I can't even discuss the really cool things about the KJV like the inspiration of the chapter and verse numbers or the number structure of the words and phrases.
One day when you have some spare time, do a phrase search on "two or three" in the KJV bible and see what you come up with. It's pretty cool.
One day when you have some spare time, do a phrase search on "two or three" in the KJV bible and see what you come up with. It's pretty cool.
Really, I'm surprised you don't think the same way, after all the bible says we are to magnify the Word above his name. At least that's what it say's in the KJV, maybe the other translations don't.
Psa_138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
When Jesus said he would be with us always even till the end of the word, he meant it. Every time I open up my KJV, there He is, without fail every time. He shows me Him on almost every page, he reveals the deep and secret truths through the pages of the bible. You see when the bible says that Jesus is the Word, I believe it... I know Jesus is the Inerrant Word of God.
Mat_28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Psa_138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
When Jesus said he would be with us always even till the end of the word, he meant it. Every time I open up my KJV, there He is, without fail every time. He shows me Him on almost every page, he reveals the deep and secret truths through the pages of the bible. You see when the bible says that Jesus is the Word, I believe it... I know Jesus is the Inerrant Word of God.
Mat_28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Deu 32:30 How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had shut them up?
Deu 32:31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
Deu 32:32 For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:
Deu 32:33 Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.
Deu 32:31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
Deu 32:32 For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:
Deu 32:33 Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.
I'm addressing both of your posts in this response.
The writer of Hebrews was quoting Psalm 40:6 and Psalm 139.
Psa 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
Psa 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
Psa 139:15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
Psa 139:16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
The body in Psalm 139 is the body of Christ... the church. This is the body the writer of Hebrews was talking about.
The Septuagint disagrees with KJV in several places, But you can't say the writer of Hebrews was quoting Deuteronomy just because it's in the Septuagint. I don't know what he was quoting, but I guarantee you it's hidden some where in the bible just like the body prepared for him is hidden.
The writer of Hebrews was quoting Psalm 40:6 and Psalm 139.
Psa 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
Psa 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
Psa 139:15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
Psa 139:16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
The body in Psalm 139 is the body of Christ... the church. This is the body the writer of Hebrews was talking about.
The Septuagint disagrees with KJV in several places, But you can't say the writer of Hebrews was quoting Deuteronomy just because it's in the Septuagint. I don't know what he was quoting, but I guarantee you it's hidden some where in the bible just like the body prepared for him is hidden.