Is KJV the only real bible version?

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Ukorin

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Sorry, but every heresy in existence can be refuted by even the meager NIV. A person does not need the KJV to read and understand all the doctrines of Scripture.

People twist to make heresy, and they twist any translation they can get their hands on. The majority of heretics I hear quote the KJV, for reasons I have posted earlier. There are also liberals who don't quote any Bible at all, or just sift through until they find a verse that is easy to twist.

Translations don't create heresy. Unbelieving people do.

(And versions that are created by unbelievers, such as JWs, with the intention of removing certain doctrines entirely from Scripture, or adding new ones to it)

Can you name me a heresy that started only because of the wording of a modern translation, and that doesn't use any verse from the KJV to also support the heresy?

Or try this: Is there any doctrine found in the KJV that is not supported by other translations? How about just one translation that is missing a doctrine? Is there a missing doctrine from the NIV? Show me it.




You will dodge this entirely, and just ramble on. You might focus on one sentence I said, at best. I've seen this too many times before.
 
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Kerry

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Ukorin said:
Sorry, but every heresy in existence can be refuted by even the meager NIV. A person does not need the KJV to read and understand all the doctrines of Scripture.

People twist to make heresy, and they twist any translation they can get their hands on. The majority of heretics I hear quote the KJV, for reasons I have posted earlier. There are also liberals who don't quote any Bible at all, or just sift through until they find a verse that is easy to twist.

Translations don't create heresy. Unbelieving people do.

(And versions that are created by unbelievers, such as JWs, with the intention of removing certain doctrines entirely from Scripture, or adding new ones to it)

Can you name me a heresy that started only because of the wording of a modern translation, and that doesn't use any verse from the KJV to also support the heresy?

Or try this: Is there any doctrine found in the KJV that is not supported by other translations? How about just one translation that is missing a doctrine? Is there a missing doctrine from the NIV? Show me it.




You will dodge this entirely, and just ramble on. You might focus on one sentence I said, at best. I've seen this too many times before.
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why and who created the NIV and for what reason? I will remind you that plagiarism is a crime. So they had to change the meaning and not just words. Answer MONEY
 
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Ukorin

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KJV1611 said:
Ok, prove it. Put Mark 1:5 into your own words.
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Mar 1:5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

Here is the uber-literal translation:
And there went out unto him all(every individual living in) the land of Judaea,
and they (referring to the entire population, in relation to the previous absolute statement of "all") of Jerusalem,
and were all (no one who went out returned without being) baptized by him in the river Jordan,
confessing their sins.


If every person in Judaea went out, but not some from Jerusalem, then there is a textual contradiction, because Jerusalem is in the land of Judaea.
 
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Ukorin

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Kerry said:
why and who created the NIV and for what reason? I will remind you that plagiarism is a crime. So they had to change the meaning and not just words. Answer MONEY
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Not answering the question though.
Which doctrines are not in the NIV?
Which heresies cannot be refuted within the NIV?

I am using the NIV as the example, as it is the weakest of modern translations that I am aware of, and yet even from it alone, God can refute this KJV only nonsense.
 
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Kerry

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Ukorin said:
Not answering the question though.
Which doctrines are not in the NIV?
Which heresies cannot be refuted within the NIV?

I am using the NIV as the example, as it is the weakest of modern translations that I am aware of, and yet even from it alone, God can refute this KJV only nonsense.
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Is it possible to rewrite Romeo and Juliet in modern english and not get sued for plagiarism? Oh and own the copy rites?
 
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Kerry

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I would say that John Strong went about it the right way.
 
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Kerry

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Oh and his family owns the copy rights.
 
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Ukorin

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Kerry said:
Is it possible to rewrite Romeo and Juliet in modern english and not get sued for plagiarism? Oh and own the copy rites?
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No one has copyrights to the Greek manuscripts or to the KJV,
or to Romeo and Juliet.
You cannot be sued by even copying it word for word and selling it. There would be no one to bring a suit against you, as no one owns them.
 
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Kerry

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I could be wrong as I have not investigated but I think that Noah Websters family still owns the copy rights for the definitions of the English Language.
 
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Ukorin

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If you copy any public domain, and put your name as the AUTHOR, then there is a different story. If you are merely a publisher, there is no law to stop you.

The guys from the NIV team did not replace the sentence "a letter written by Paul to the church of..." with "a letter written by the NIV team, written to the church of..."
 
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Ukorin said:
Mar 1:5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

Here is the uber-literal translation:
And there went out unto him all(every individual living in) the land of Judaea,
and they (referring to the entire population, in relation to the previous absolute statement of "all") of Jerusalem,
and were all (no one who went out returned without being) baptized by him in the river Jordan,
confessing their sins.


If every person in Judaea went out, but not some from Jerusalem, then there is a textual contradiction, because Jerusalem is in the land of Judaea.
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If the verse said "all IN the land of Judea" then I would agree, but it doesn't say that. Here's how I see it.

And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea (every city in Judea),
and they of Jerusalem (people that live in Jerusalem),
and were all (all who went from Judea and all the went from Jerusalem) baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins.

I realize that Jerusalem is in Judea, but scripture for whatever reason always identifies them separately.
 
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Ukorin

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Kerry said:
I could be wrong as I have not investigated but I think that Noah Websters family still owns the copy rights for the definitions of the English Language.
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Public domain for over 100 years. Since 1908.
 
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Ukorin

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KJV1611 said:
If the verse said "all IN the land of Judea" then I would agree, but it doesn't say that. Here's how I see it.

And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea (every city in Judea),
and they of Jerusalem (people that live in Jerusalem),
and were all (all who went from Judea and all the went from Jerusalem) baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins.

I realize that Jerusalem is in Judea, but scripture for whatever reason always identifies them separately.
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The ESV doesn't say "all in" either... hence my whole rebuttal of your argument...
 
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Kerry

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Who owns the rights to the KJV? the Queen?
 
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Ukorin said:
The ESV does say "all in" either... hence my whole rebuttal of your argument...
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So you really think that every man and woman from Judea got baptized that day?
 
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Kerry

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The famous on by Bill Clinton " what is your definition of is"
 
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