Is marking of Mark of the Beast is literal or just figurative?

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Ahwatukee

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What it says in the introduction of the book of Revelation..."The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John".
It is very clear that what is written in the book of Revelation it will soon take place even began during the Apostle's time, not your beliefs that until now not yet fulfilled for many centuries and you are still awaiting for your so-called Seven Years Tribulation. How many more decades it will happen it from now on?? Let us see in the vocabulary what is mean must "SOON" take place:

((((Yes you are correct, many have been killed and slaughtered. However, that was not from the wrath of God.In opposition, the coming wrath of God will be directly poured out upon a Christ rejecting world.)))
You believed that many are killed and slaughtered in the past, but you don't want to believe the book of Revelation had already foretold that. Sad to think that the coming tribulations of the Saints will be the wrath of God. How come that the wrath of God will be poured out upon a Christ rejecting word, when the Saints will come to suffer and satan will be powerful?? It is silly to think about it.

The truth it is the satan's wrath when regarding to the Tribulation of the Saints(began from the Roman persecution), and it is the God' wrath for His vengeance against the cruel world which is the Judgement against the wicked(will begin after the heavenly signs).
The tribulation saints will suffer because they will have not been believers when the Lord appears to gather His church. The wrath of God is going to come upon the entire earth and so there will be no place to hide or run to.

I repeat, that time is not Satan's wrath. There is nothing in scripture that teaches that there is a time of Satan's wrath. It is only the Day of the Lord, the time of God's wrath. Satan is only angry when he and his angels are cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth.

Let us see in the vocabulary what is mean must "SOON" take place


It means imminent, on the horizon, looming, in the workings, etc. You have to have fulfillment of those events in order to claim that they have been fulfilled, but they have not. You can't just make them up.

Allow me to show you the failure of your interpretation of "soon to take place," or "is near."

Matthew 24:29
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken."

Isaiah 13:9-10
"Behold, the Day of the LORD is coming—cruel, with fury and burning anger—to make the earth a desolation and to destroy the sinners within it. For the stars of heaven and their constellations will not give their light. The rising sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light."

Joel 2:31
"The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and awesome Day of the LORD."

Both Isaiah and Joel prophecy regarding the same prophecy found in Matthew 24:29, stating that it is near or coming soon, which was approximately 750 to 800 years prior to Christ's birth, with both claiming that those events were near or coming soon. In addition, we have no fulfillment of the events mentioned. Likewise, the "Day of the Lord" is always prophesied as being near or is coming quickly and yet the Day of the Lord with all of its plagues of wrath, has not yet taken place.
 
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Those people who will be beheaded during that time is not the church, but the great tribulation saints who were introduced in Rev.7:9-17. If you will notice, throughout chapters 1 thru 3 only the word ekklesia translated as church is used. Then in Chapter 4:1 we see a prophetic allusion to the where the church is caught up. After chapter 4:1 we never see the word ekklesia/church used again. It is replaced by the word hagios translated as saints. The next time the church is alluded to is in Rev.19:6-8 as the bride at the wedding of the Lamb. The actual word does not appear again until chapter 22:16. The meaning is, that the church is no longer on the earth after Revelation 4:1. This means that the church will be caught up prior to the first seal being opened.
I'm a bit confused about who the Saints are and who the Church is, I thought they were one and the same. Our pastor refers to us as Saints, he said all true believers are actually Saints, so I just not sure who these saints are.
 

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Yes of course, the wrath of God who believes in Christ are not appointed to suffer this coming wrath of God, because that is the Day of the Lord for Judgement against the wicked. Not satan(antichrist) will rule the world and will be marking the 666.
Well then, if believers are not appointed to suffer God's wrath and that last seven years is when God's wrath will take place, then the church cannot be here and must be removed from the earth prior to said wrath.
 

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Yes you are correct, many have been killed and slaughtered. However, that was not from the wrath of God. One of the on-going misconceptions, is when people don't recognize the difference between the trials and tribulation which Jesus said believers would have because of our faith in Him vs. God's coming wrath. These are not the same. The trials and tribulations that the church has experienced come at the hands of men and the powers of darkness. In opposition, the coming wrath of God will be directly poured out upon a Christ rejecting world. Those who believe in Christ are not appointed to suffer this coming wrath of God and therefore, the church must be removed prior to the beginning of God's wrath. This information is what you are not understanding.

To be clear, Paul, Peter and the other apostles and the first century church, did not suffer the wrath of God, but the tribulation and persecution which came at the hands of men from their faith in Christ. The wrath of God that is coming, will be in the form of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments which will be directly from God upon an Christ rejecting, unrepentant world. There is a big difference between these two.



Babylon the great, the woman who rides the beast, which is the church of Rome, will come back into power once that antichrist appears, which is meaning of "the woman who rides the beast." Roman Catholicism and her pope will use the beast (ride her) to regain her power and will establish her authority forcefully through the authority of the beast. Rome and her counterfeit church, will revive during those days of the beast and she will regain the power that she once had and more.




Your question above is for someone who has not studied the book of Revelation or end-time events. The information that I have been sharing with you comes from over 45 years of personal study of God's word and end-time events. I live in the book of Revelation and am always quoting from it. Suffice to say, if I didn't know that it is the 2nd beast/false prophet who is the one who commands the inhabitants of the earth to make an image unto the 1st beast, then I shouldn't be teaching these things. So, here is a question for you: where else is the image of the beast mentioned in scripture and what will it be?

The 2nd beast is the false prophet, who will exercise all of the authority of the 1st beast, the 1st beast being the antichrist. They will work together to achieve the same evil purpose. The 2nd beast/false prophet, is also the one who will cause everyone to receive the mark of the first beast in their right hand or forehead.

The 2nd beast does not reign, but will work on behalf of the 1st beast by performing signs, miracles and wonders to give credibility to the 1st beast who will be proclaiming himself to be God.

Sometime during the last 3 1/2 years, God is going to put it into the hearts of the beast and the ten kings to destroy the woman, Babylon the great, with fire so that no one will ever be able to inhabit that city ever again. Babylon the Great's destruction by the beast and the ten kings, will be apart of God's wrath using evil to destroy evil. I believe that the fire that they destroy her with will be a nuclear weapon, which is why no one will ever be able to inhabit that city again.
I enjoy your posts Bro and I've got a vague understanding .. Do you think the beast could be artificial intelligence controlled/programmed by leaders of the 7 continents/10 zones ? along with an yet un-named world Spiritual leader.. And do you think America as the last sovereign Chistian Holy Spirit nation is he who must first be taken out of the way ?
 

Ahwatukee

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The Beast represents Kingdom or nation, go back to old prophecies like in the book of Daniel.

The Beast will reign as a kingdom or nation.
You are correct. However, the beast also represents the antichrist as a king. Consider the following:

"But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

Obviously the reference to 'the beast' above is referring to the 1st and 2nd beasts as being actual persons, because "the two of them" because when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, both will be thrown "alive" into the lake of fire. In addition, the mark of the beast is said to be the number of a man, demonstrating once again that the antichrist is going to be an actual person who will be ruling over that last day kingdom.
 

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I've never studied the book of revelation, so according to my limited knowledge Christians will not be on the earth during the great tribulation. We will be raptured off the earth to meet Jesus in the clouds.

It sounds to me that those Saints mentioned in the scripture passage, could be all of those who were martyred for their testimony throughout the ages. It sounds like a multitude of Saints from every generation and I believe that all those who will be left on the earth after the rapture are damned, with no hope of salvation. So maybe that's why the Bible says that all those who receive the mark, will be cast into hell.
Greetings ScottyPchristian!

I totally agree with your first paragraph, not the second. The saints mentioned in Revelation could not be referring to the saints throughout all of history and that because it is said that they will have not worshiped the beast, his image nor received his mark. These details would put those saints as being present during the time of the beasts reign. The saints that it is speaking about, are the great tribulation saints, which are those who will have believed in Christ after the church has been caught up. See the following:

"And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands."

"And I saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire, beside which stood those who had conquered the beast and its image and the number of its name.

The fact that they did not worship the beast, his image nor received his mark, would put these saints as being in the time when the beast is on the earth. It therefore could not be referring to the saints from all ages and that because the beast has not even been revealed yet.

There are large numbers of Christians being killed and persecuted in the world right now, so for them it is the Beast system killing them. The beast system can be any Antichrist Government or rulers, we know that Christians are the most hated people in every country in the world. So countless Christians have been murdered because they refuse to renounce their faith in Jesus and serve an Antichrist system or it's Image.
The beast system is not killing the saints currently living. The reason that they are dying, is because Jesus said that those who believe in Him would have trials and tribulation because , which comes at the hands of men and the powers of darkness. In opposition, the wrath that is coming will be God's direct wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments

The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ is highly offensive to all unbelievers, Christians would be wiped out off the earth if God didn't restrain the hands of the enemy. We know that between 50 and 100 million Christians were murdered during the Roman catholic inquisitions. So every martyr was murdered for refusing the "mark of the beast". Christians have always been forced to accept the mark or be executed.
Though the technology for the mark is here and has been evolving, it has not yet been made mandatory for electronic buying and selling. Therefore, no one has yet been murdered for refusing the mark. That won't happen until the antichrist stands in the temple proclaiming himself to be God.
 
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Well then, if believers are not appointed to suffer God's wrath and that last seven years is when God's wrath will take place, then the church cannot be here and must be removed from the earth prior to said wrath.
Yes of course, the wrath of God who believes in Christ are not appointed to suffer this coming wrath of God, because that is the Day of the Lord for Judgement against the wicked. Not satan(antichrist) will rule the world and will be marking the 666.
The Church will be removed only after or during the heavenly signs in the Six seals prelude to the Day of the Lord or God"s wrath againts the wicked.
Again to say, not satan(antichrist) will rule the world and will be marking the 666.
 
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You are correct. However, the beast also represents the antichrist as a king. Consider the following:

"But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

Obviously the reference to 'the beast' above is referring to the 1st and 2nd beasts as being actual persons, because "the two of them" because when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, both will be thrown "alive" into the lake of fire. In addition, the mark of the beast is said to be the number of a man, demonstrating once again that the antichrist is going to be an actual person who will be ruling over that last day kingdom.
"Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death."
Death and Hades both also thrown in a lake of fire, are death and Hades actual persons?
 

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I enjoy your posts Bro and I've got a vague understanding .. Do you think the beast could be artificial intelligence controlled/programmed by leaders of the 7 continents/10 zones ? along with an yet un-named world Spiritual leader..
The beast is a fallen angel named Abaddon/Apollyon which means destroyer. He is currently in the Abyss, but will be released at the sounding of the 5th trumpet.

"They (demon locusts) were ruled by a king, the angel of the Abyss. His name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek it is Apollyon."

After this angel/beast is comes up out of the Abyss, one of the first things he will do, is kill the two witnesses:

"When the two witnesses have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will wage war with them, and will overpower and kill them."

"The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come."

"The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

"But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the lake of fire.

Sooooo …. in answer to your question, no, I do not believe that beast could artificial intelligence, because scripture identifies him as a fallen angel who is currently in the Abyss. I believe that when this beast/angel comes up out of the Abyss, that he will be the spiritual power behind the antichrist.

And do you think America as the last sovereign Chistian Holy Spirit nation is he who must first be taken out of the way ?
I believe the Holy Spirit through believers, to be the One who is restraining the full force of sin and the man of sin from being revealed until his proper time, which is drawing very near and will take place after the church has been removed.

However, I do believe that the image of the beast which the false prophet has the inhabitants of the earth make, will be artificial intelligence.
 

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"Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death."
Death and Hades both also thrown in a lake of fire, are death and Hades actual persons?
Yes, Death and Hades are personified, having evil entities actually representing them. The lake of fire is a place of punishment, not a place for inanimate objects. Therefore, the fact that death and Hades are being thrown into the lake of fire, demonstrates that they are representing by actual entities.
 
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The tribulation saints will suffer because they will have not been believers when the Lord appears to gather His church. The wrath of God is going to come upon the entire earth and so there will be no place to hide or run to.

I repeat, that time is not Satan's wrath. There is nothing in scripture that teaches that there is a time of Satan's wrath. It is only the Day of the Lord, the time of God's wrath. Satan is only angry when he and his angels are cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth.



It means imminent, on the horizon, looming, in the workings, etc. You have to have fulfillment of those events in order to claim that they have been fulfilled, but they have not. You can't just make them up.
"Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

When satan begins his wrath? Surely not for the future or your future so called 7 Years Tribulation.
Satan's wrath already began since from seed of the woman of the early Church.
 
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Allow me to show you the failure of your interpretation of "soon to take place," or "is near."

Matthew 24:29
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken."

Isaiah 13:9-10
"Behold, the Day of the LORD is coming—cruel, with fury and burning anger—to make the earth a desolation and to destroy the sinners within it. For the stars of heaven and their constellations will not give their light. The rising sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light."

Joel 2:31
"The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and awesome Day of the LORD."

Both Isaiah and Joel prophecy regarding the same prophecy found in Matthew 24:29, stating that it is near or coming soon, which was approximately 750 to 800 years prior to Christ's birth, with both claiming that those events were near or coming soon. In addition, we have no fulfillment of the events mentioned. Likewise, the "Day of the Lord" is always prophesied as being near or is coming quickly and yet the Day of the Lord with all of its plagues of wrath, has not yet taken place.
Of course, the Day of the Lord or God's wrath is the very last event as a REVENGE of the satan's wrath.
The satan's wrath comes first when he was cast out to the earth.
 

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The beast is a fallen angel named Abaddon/Apollyon which means destroyer. He is currently in the Abyss, but will be released at the sounding of the 5th trumpet.

"They (demon locusts) were ruled by a king, the angel of the Abyss. His name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek it is Apollyon."

After this angel/beast is comes up out of the Abyss, one of the first things he will do, is kill the two witnesses:

"When the two witnesses have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will wage war with them, and will overpower and kill them."

"The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come."

"The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

"But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the lake of fire.

Sooooo …. in answer to your question, no, I do not believe that beast could artificial intelligence, because scripture identifies him as a fallen angel who is currently in the Abyss. I believe that when this beast/angel comes up out of the Abyss, that he will be the spiritual power behind the antichrist.



I believe the Holy Spirit through believers, to be the One who is restraining the full force of sin and the man of sin from being revealed until his proper time, which is drawing very near and will take place after the church has been removed.

However, I do believe that the image of the beast which the false prophet has the inhabitants of the earth make, will be artificial intelligence.
Thanks, Yes, and they are all anti-Christ people demon possessed and imo One ''the Anti-Christ'' possessed by Abbadon ..
 

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Donald Trump introduced a biometric tracking system for those people on temporary visas that will be able to track people, land, sea, and air, because of all the people coming in the United States with temporary visas and do not leave and they have no way to track them, and 911 could of been avoided, cut down on crime.

Foreign nationals arriving on temporary visas continue to go largely untracked by the federal government despite The 9/11 Commission Report pleading with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to implement a nationwide biometric entry-exit system, which would identify legal immigrants who have overstayed their visas and help in deporting them.

Eventually the world will be part of the biometric tracking system with a microchip in them linked to satellite, for the concept will extend to that for they want things to operate smoother.

Which an USAF officer in an interview said that they eventually want the identification about you inside you.

But it is hard to cause the world to receive a chip just under the skin for they will not like the idea of being tracked.

Scientists are trying to find a cure for the coronavirus, and are thinking about nanotechnology.

Which the nanoparticles will attach to the virus and immobilize it and stop it from producing.

Nanoparticles and nanostructured materials have significant impact in many scientific fields, including chemistry, material sciences, physics, medicine and electronics.

Since the invention of the electron microscope they been able to explore and manipulate the properties of nanoparticles.

Future bio-nanotechnology will use computer chips inside living cells.

They are using the coronavirus as an excuse to give a vaccination to everybody, which Bill Gates said we cannot return to normalcy until the vaccine, and wants everybody in the world to receive it.

Which is probably why the delayed response in America so they could allow it to spread in the nation to have the crisis, and then say whoops our bad, and why the nations had a delayed reaction too for the leaders would know the plan.

For it affected 177 nations, and spread, but all of them was not prepared.

How can America not be prepared when anything that could possibly happen you are prepared for it because it could happen.

America stays prepared for war even if a war is not happening.

And they stay prepared in case of an economic crisis, a stimulus package, which was introduced in January 24, 2019, but went in to affect March 25, 2020, because of the Covid-19, which sounds like it was planned out for that purpose like they knew it was going to happen.

There does not even have to be an epidemic, or a pandemic, in the whole world, and they should still be prepared for it for it could happen, and history tells us it does happen.

But they were not prepared, and how can they say that when they had a relaxed position about it at the first.

It appears as if the nations leaders wanted it to spread, and it appears as if the nations leaders know of the plan, but it is the people they have to convince.

The mark of the beast.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word stizo¯ (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

The mark of the beast is something stuck under the skin for identification of the person, and scar of service to the New Age Christ.

They are using the coronavirus as an excuse to give the world a vaccination with nanoparticles in them, small microchips, which they say can stop the coronavirus, and can track people, and monitor them during the crisis.

They will say they used this, and used that of conventional medicine, but it does not work, or not as good as they would like, so they can use nanotechnology.

This will condition the people for they are used to having a chip in them, and being tracked, so they will be more likely to accept a chip just under the skin linked to satellite, a better tracking system, and use the excuse to cut down on crime, find lost people, and things work smoother.

A Trump administration vaccine expert who says he was removed from a key role for raising concerns about the federal government’s coronavirus response — and its promotion of unproven drugs to treat the virus — testified Thursday before Congress.

Rick Bright became a whistleblower after being removed from his post as director of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), which falls under the Department of Health and Human Services.

The administration allowed for the emergency use of the drugs to treat the virus, though later studies — which have yet to be peer-reviewed and were not randomized — suggest that the use of the drugs don’t help and can, in fact, have negative consequences. The FDA has now warned about the dangers of using the drugs.

As Trump increasingly criticized Fauci, Bright said the government needs to have more regard for it scientists -- and a more consistent message from the top.

He said that right now the response has been hampered by not having a “single point of leadership.”

“We need to install and empower leadership, and we need to unleash the voices of the scientists in our public health system in the United States so they can be heard and their guidances need to be listened to,” Bright said. “And we need to be able to convey that information to the American public so they have the truth about the real risk and dire consequences of this virus.

He added: "And we don’t have a single point of leadership right now for this response, and we don’t have a master plan for this response. So those two things are absolutely critical.”

They want to convince the people that they are opposed to the nanotechnology so they will think no plan is going on, and when they use it people will think it is best.

That is why they let the scientist go from his biomedical approach, but really want it for that throws people off.

The same as Republican and Democrat are working together, as well as Russia and America, so people will not realize that there is a plan going on because they are opposing each other, and then they cooperate and brings the people, and nations together, and they will think it is best for the world.

They are throwing people off from believing there is a plan by the opposition, and also the 2 opposing forces get everybody involved for they will choose a side, and then cooperation of the 2 opposing forces and brings the people together which they believe will be a better system.

And they will point out advanced weaponry, and nuclear bombs in the hands of not so nice nations, and America has a laser that can shoot down a plane in mid-flight, and want a space program, and they keep making weapons of mass destruction in the world, and nations against each other.

So they can scare the people that the world is an unstable place, and conflict could break out that would result in massive destruction, and casualties, so the people of the world will want to come together as one to stop it from happening, because then the world is one and no more division.

Which I believe the nations leaders know what is going on according to the plan, but they have to convince the people, and have the support of them, for if too many people in the world oppose them it would put a damper in their plan.

The beast's agenda is there is no personal God to help them, but mankind's technology can help to achieve peace on earth, and the people will know of the beast's agenda, and worship him, before they take the mark of the beast, and when they take the mark then salvation is no longer available to them, and God will end sin on earth, and have His people with Him.

The mark of the beast will be a microchip just under the skin linked to satellite with all information about the person on the chip including finances for no person can buy or sell without the mark.

And will be put in the right hand or forehead, and will be used to cut down on crime for if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close they were to the crime scene.

And to find lost people, or whoever they want to locate, and so things run smoother.

Which it is common sense they would do that for they want things to operate better because of their technology.

But they cut out a personal God, and stopped the Gospel of Christ from being preached world wide taking away the hope of the world, but God allowed it to happen so He could end sin on earth.

They will stop the preaching of Islam too, but they will rebel and that war will be so terrible that the world will accept the New Age Christ as the solution to have peace on earth.
 
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Well then, if believers are not appointed to suffer God's wrath and that last seven years is when God's wrath will take place, then the church cannot be here and must be removed from the earth prior to said wrath.
The Church will be removed only after or during the heavenly signs in the Six seals prelude to the Day of the Lord or God"s wrath againts the wicked.
Again to say, not satan(antichrist) will rule the world and will be marking the 666.
 

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"Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

When satan begins his wrath? Surely not for the future or your future so called 7 Years Tribulation.
Satan's wrath already began since from seed of the woman of the early Church.
That's not Satan's wrath, Just_truth.

Following the 4th trumpet, John the sees the following:

"And as I observed, I heard an eagle flying overhead, calling in a loud voice, “Woe! Woe! Woe to those who dwell on the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the remaining three angels!”

Trumpets 5, 6 & 7 each represent a woe because of how terrible they will be. The trumpet judgments are God's wrath, not Satan's. And Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven to the earth is the 3rd woe. Just because Satan is angry because he is cast to the earth doesn't mean that it is the time of Satan's wrath. It is still God's trumpet and therefore His wrath. And Satan is just angry against God because he was cast out. You people read embellish into scripture what is not there and then canonize it. You shouldn't be teaching on Revelation because you don't know what you are talking about.

After the 5th Angel sounds his trumpet = The first woe has passed. Behold, two woes are still to follow.

After the 6th Angel sounds his trumpet = The second woe has passed. Behold, the third woe is coming shortly.

After the 7th Angel sounds his trumpet = Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short."

The 7th trumpet with the result being that Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven to the earth, is the 3rd woe and covers the entire last 3 1/2 years until Christ returns to the earth to end the age. Satan knows his time is short, because he knows that from the time that he is cast down to the earth that he only has 3 1/2 years before the Lord returns and he is put into the Abyss, as revealed in Rev.20:1-3

So once again, since the result of the 7th trumpet/3rd woe is Satan and His angels being cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth, then it is the time of God's wrath, with Satan being angry because of his being cast out.
 

Ahwatukee

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Of course, the Day of the Lord or God's wrath is the very last event as a REVENGE of the satan's wrath.
The satan's wrath comes first when he was cast out to the earth.
WRONG! The Day of the Lord, also called "The hour of trial" is neither a day nor an hour in length, but covers the entire seven years.

Everything that happens after the church has been removed from the earth right up to the time that the Lord returns to the earth, is the time of God's wrath. Satan is just happens to be angry within that time. Stop reading into scripture what is not there! You think that just because Satan is angry because Michael and his angels cast Satan and his angels out of heaven, that it's Satan's wrath. Ridiculous! And terrible exegesis. The pouring of the 7th bowl judgment, completes God's wrath, with Jesus returning immediately after.

Satan can be angry all he wants during that time, but it is still the time of God's wrath, not Satan's. God will just be using him and the powers of darkness to accomplish His purpose during that time.
 

Ahwatukee

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Thanks, Yes, and they are all anti-Christ people demon possessed and imo One ''the Anti-Christ'' possessed by Abbadon ..
I don't think that they will be demon possessed, but will be attacked by those demons. And the angel who comes up out of the Abyss will be the spiritual power behind the antichrist.
 

garee

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WRONG! The Day of the Lord, also called "The hour of trial" is neither a day nor an hour in length, but covers the entire seven years.

Everything that happens after the church has been removed from the earth right up to the time that the Lord returns to the earth, is the time of God's wrath. Satan is just happens to be angry within that time. Stop reading into scripture what is not there! You think that just because Satan is angry because Michael and his angels cast Satan and his angels out of heaven, that it's Satan's wrath. Ridiculous! And terrible exegesis. The pouring of the 7th bowl judgment, completes God's wrath, with Jesus returning immediately after.

Satan can be angry all he wants during that time, but it is still the time of God's wrath, not Satan's. God will just be using him and the powers of darkness to accomplish His purpose during that time.
Its the time of God's wrath revealed through Satan the accuser of the brethren . The source of his wrath and sufferings the pangs of hell the letter of the law (death) .It will be cast in the fiery judgment of God never to rise and condemn through corruption a entire creation.

The Thousand years in that parable is signified as a unknowns. No sign as wonder given .The last day. The day of the Lord the end of the world. No saints playing hide and seek. No demons as fire breathing dragons with horns.
 

Guojing

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But in your opinion is it the same Gospel Paul is speaking of in Galatians or is it another Gospel that the angel in Revelation preaches? If not then those who hear it when the angel in Revelation 14:6 delivers it will remember what Paul said in Galatians 1:8 and view it as cursed as Paul says will they not?
Nice, I would be most curious to see how he will reply to this question of yours. ;)