Is masturbation a sin?

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Webers.Home

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god gave us a conscience as a moral compass to guide us

According to the forbidden fruit incident, humanity's conscience isn't a
reliable moral compass because it's the compass of a minor god rather than
the supreme God.

Gen 3:22 . . And the Lord God said: The man has now become like one of
us, knowing good and evil.

The good and evil that this minor god knows is an intuitive knowing rather
than an instructed knowing.

For example; right after tasting the forbidden fruit, Adam suddenly felt the
urge to cover his pelvic area; but not because God told him his appearance
in the nude was indecent. In point of fact nobody told Adam that his
appearance in the nude was indecent. His told himself by means of a
conscience he obtained by his own hand rather than obtained by the hand of
God.

As a result, many of the opinions you see floating around here regarding
porn and self gratification are the opinions of lesser gods rather than the
opinions of the supreme God.
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Jewel5712

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According to the forbidden fruit incident, humanity's conscience isn't a
reliable moral compass because it's the compass of a minor god rather than
the supreme God.


Gen 3:22 . . And the Lord God said: The man has now become like one of
us, knowing good and evil.


The good and evil that this minor god knows is an intuitive knowing rather
than an instructed knowing.


For example; right after tasting the forbidden fruit, Adam suddenly felt the
urge to cover his pelvic area; but not because God told him his appearance
in the nude was indecent. In point of fact nobody told Adam that his
appearance in the nude was indecent. His told himself by means of a
conscience he obtained by his own hand rather than obtained by the hand of
God.


As a result, many of the opinions you see floating around here regarding
porn and self gratification are the opinions of lesser gods rather than the
opinions of the supreme God.
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I THINK i understand what youre saying but i think the naked body is beautiful no matter what shape or size..the way God first intended .
 

Jewel5712

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maybe another way to look at porn or any other activity would be to say to yourself " would i look at this (or listen to this music, or do this)in heaven with the father and son watching me ? the question i have presented will answer itself in our minds when you look at it hard. god gave us a conscience as a moral compass to guide us thru our mortal life on earth and the holy ghost conviction to keep us on track. just wondering, has anyone out there had/has this same belief?
Yup..God is all around..not just in a istant "heaven" somewhere. I had a book when i was younger call..IF JESUS CAME TO MY HOUSE..and it asked the questions..would i be PROUD to have Jesus o my house? To see my movies..books..cleanliness etc..hearing the language .attitudes..pictures on the wall..etc..nd if not..what would i change? Well this applies to us spiritially as well..inviting jesus into our house/lives..what would He see? Good thoughts? Pure heart? Good steward of what Hes given us etc? Well guess what..JESUS IS IN OUR HOUSE..in our bedrooms..secret places where we think one sees etc Question is..knowing that..what would we CHANGE knowing the King of Kings and Lord of Lords is in our house? Food for thought! :)
 

garee

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The first member to misapply the story of Onan to masturbation, when there is so much better evidence in the bible to confirm masturbation is wrong, gets a prize.
LOL. Have to win periodically or the desire to participate loses its value .

Protecting the seed Christ as the incorruptible seed by which all men are born again after is the teaching. The seed of Christ was pasted down that way until the fulness of time .

While I do not offer my approval . Masturbation which lessens the testosterone level helps aid in preventing prostate cancer . Testosterone feeds that kind of cancer like its going out of business . Today they give a female type hormone to help aid . Men get to feel the hot flashes.(not pleasant)
 

Tommy379

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LOL. Have to win periodically or the desire to participate loses its value .

Protecting the seed Christ as the incorruptible seed by which all men are born again after is the teaching. The seed of Christ was pasted down that way until the fulness of time .

While I do not offer my approval . Masturbation which lessens the testosterone level helps aid in preventing prostate cancer . Testosterone feeds that kind of cancer like its going out of business . Today they give a female type hormone to help aid . Men get to feel the hot flashes.(not pleasant)
Your science is outdated. Testosterone doesn't feed cancer. That has been debunked. A great number of men with prostate cancer have been castrated over the years, for no reason. The link between regular ejaculation and decreased risk of prostate cancer has more to do with getting the old semen out, instead of it festering a bit. You can Google this if you like.
 

Jewel5712

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LOL. Have to win periodically or the desire to participate loses its value .

Protecting the seed Christ as the incorruptible seed by which all men are born again after is the teaching. The seed of Christ was pasted down that way until the fulness of time .

While I do not offer my approval . Masturbation which lessens the testosterone level helps aid in preventing prostate cancer . Testosterone feeds that kind of cancer like its going out of business . Today they give a female type hormone to help aid . Men get to feel the hot flashes.(not pleasant)
Lol..hot flashes..help "aid" but not take away completely..lol. Vasectomys help aid a mans testosterone level too :) if a man doesnt want kids...why not? Lol
 

Webers.Home

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As a result, many of the opinions you see floating around here regarding
porn and self gratification are the opinions of lesser gods rather than the
opinions of the supreme God.

That's no doubt at least part of the reason why so many forum discussions
end up as perpetual bull sessions that never get to the bottom of anything.
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Webers.Home

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i think the naked body is beautiful

Adam and his wife didn't cover their pelvic areas due to beauty concerns.
Due to a change in their self-perception; they sincerely felt that exposing
their genitalia was obscene and indecent, i.e. shameful.
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garee

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Gen 2:25 . .The two of them were naked, the man and his wife, yet they
felt no shame.


Webster's defines shame as: 1) guilt, or disgrace, 2) a feeling of inferiority
or inadequacy, and 3) inhibition.


In other words, there was absolutely nothing in the early human psyche
restraining people from parading around in full frontal exposure; and
actually, neither was there anything in his psyche encouraging him to. Adam
was a product of nature; hence he was comfortable au naturel. They weren't
exhibitionists by any stretch of the imagination because in their innocence,
Adam and his wife simply were neither proud of, nor humiliated by, their
appearance totally in the buff.


Adam and his wife felt neither naughty nor perverted by frontal exposure at
first, nor were they self conscious in the slightest respect because as yet
they knew no cultural boundaries, nor were they infected yet with a guilt
complex about sex and the human body; and concepts like dirty thoughts,
vanity, and narcissism had no point of reference in their thinking
whatsoever. They had absolutely no natural sense of propriety, nor were
they even aware of any because their creator hadn't taught them any
proprieties yet at this point.


That was an interesting time in early human development. They had neither
intuition nor conscience as yet to moderate their dress code. Had somebody
criticized the first couple's appearance, they would no doubt have stared at
their critic like a man taken leave of his senses.


Well; that all changed thanks to the forbidden fruit.

Gen 3:7c . . and they sewed together fig leaves and made themselves
loincloths.


Interesting that they made loincloths, but not derriere cloths nor bosom
cloths. Why so? Because they suddenly felt very different about their
genitalia, and no doubt were overwhelmed with a disgrace associated with
them that persists to this very day.


Gen 3:11 . .Then He asked: Who told you that you were naked?

In other words: Who told you that full exposure is indecent?

Nobody told them full exposure is indecent. It was their newly acquired
humanistic feelings about sex and the human body.


I'm not recommending that we all go back to full exposure; all I'm saying is
that our post-fruit sense of propriety is a maladjusted sense which, I've no
doubt, strongly influences people's feelings about watching porn. In other
words: if not for our post-fruit guilt feelings about sex and the human body,
watching porn would be no more sinful in our thinking than watching dogs,
cats, horses, cows, and pigs breeding.
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I think if they felt no shame they would of not made up their own temporal covering which later must be covered .. clothed with the righteousness of Christ, as bright as the Sun .

I would think something happened when the creation was corrupted .They were not as before and is why they covered themselves in shame . The best scenario would be like that of Moses... when he came down the mountain after receiving the ten commandment. His face shown like the Sun reflecting he was in the present of God's glory. I was covered .with a veil same veil that remains today.

I would think mankind lost that kind of "glow" because of corruption . Today the bride of Christ the church takes on that glow as a representative glory
 

CS1

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This is why when this topic is brought up. It cause some to cross the line with perverted suggestions , and comments, about this act as joke. even perverted names for the act too.

1. Colossians 3:8 But now is the time to get rid of anger, rage, malicious behavior, slander, and dirty language
2. Ephesians 5:4 Obscene stories, foolish talk, and coarse jokes—these are not for you. Instead, let there be thankfulness to God.
 

Placid

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Hi Dpecheur,

I see from being a teacher that you have had a good education, as did the author of this poem you quoted, Henry Vaughn.

There is in God, some say, A deep but dazzling darkness, as men here
Say it is late and dusky, because they See not all clear. --- “The Night.”


Henry Vaughn was a poet, who lived from 1586 to 1684. Quote from Internet:
--- Certain indications in explicit statements suggest that Vaughan suffered a prolonged sickness that inflicted much pain. Vaughan interprets this experience to be an encounter with death that alerted him to a "misspent youth". Vaughan believed he had been spared to make amends and start a new course not only in his life but in the literature he would produce. He described his previous work as foul and a contribution to "corrupt literature". Perhaps the most notable mark of Vaughan's conversion is how much it is credited to George Herbert. Vaughan claims he is the least of Herbert's many "pious converts". It was during this period of Vaughan's life, around 1650, that he adopted the saying "moriendo, revixi" – "by dying, I gain new life".[


I see that you see yourself 'at the bottom,' perhaps as this poem describes.

--- There are these words in Psalm 40 that are comparable:
1 I waited patiently for the Lord; And He inclined to me, And heard my cry.
2 He also brought me up out of a horrible pit, Out of the miry clay, And set my feet upon a rock, And established my steps.
3 He has put a new song in my mouth— Praise to our God; Many will see it and fear, And will trust in the Lord.
4 Blessed is that man who makes the Lord his trust,

You said. quote, “I’m pure emptiness and in serious need of being saved.”

If you have never asked Jesus Christ to come into your life, then do it now. --- He is the Savior and Lord of all who call on Him sincerely. --- Get in a comfortable position, bow your head and confess your sins, take time to let the Lord bring to mind things that need to be confessed, then ask the Lord to take full control of your life. You have to open your heart to Him that He may fill it with His Holy Spirit.

To make sure you do not do some irrational thing, do not take any more mind altering drugs, but immediately eat some good food, whatever is your favorite, to start building up your body away from the effect of any drugs.

Blessings.
 

jameen

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Masturbation is a sin if you indulged yourself in it and used as a scapegoat for sexual immoral lust.

still you cannot avoid doing masturbation because it is normal for a man's body to compel releasing sperm and either by masturbating or sweet dreams the sperm can release from the body automatically.
 

CS1

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According to the forbidden fruit incident, humanity's conscience isn't a
reliable moral compass because it's the compass of a minor god rather than
the supreme God.


Gen 3:22 . . And the Lord God said: The man has now become like one of
us, knowing good and evil.


The good and evil that this minor god knows is an intuitive knowing rather
than an instructed knowing.


For example; right after tasting the forbidden fruit, Adam suddenly felt the
urge to cover his pelvic area; but not because God told him his appearance
in the nude was indecent. In point of fact nobody told Adam that his
appearance in the nude was indecent. His told himself by means of a
conscience he obtained by his own hand rather than obtained by the hand of
God.


As a result, many of the opinions you see floating around here regarding
porn and self gratification are the opinions of lesser gods rather than the
opinions of the supreme God.
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lesser god rather than the Supreme God hmmmm.
 

Thelma

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lesser god rather than the Supreme God hmmmm.
GOD did give us sexual organs and sexual pleasure for the purpose of being shared with our mate not to be used in a sinful, deviant or abusive, excessive ways.
 

CS1

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Adam and his wife didn't cover their pelvic areas due to beauty concerns.
Due to a change in their self-perception; they sincerely felt that exposing
their genitalia was obscene and indecent, i.e. shameful.
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I see this as cause and effects they sinned their understanding was open and the flesh became dominant .
 

Thelma

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there's nothing wrong with a beautiful rose, it's delightful

however, a tall cold glass of water, this would really risk sinning, as in ...

am I understanding this correctly?
This preacher has very good insight and yet many women also look at men the same ways. Unfortunately we often look for satisfaction or fulfillment in other people rather than in Christ. We look for happiness in other people when we really should be looking into Christ.... The Key is knowing who we are in Christ. When we discover who we really are in Christ, all the cravings in the world don’t seem so tempting
 
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theanointedsinner

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This preacher has very good insight and yet many women also look at men the same ways. Unfortunately we often look for satisfaction or fulfillment in other people rather than in Christ. We look for happiness in other people when we really should be looking into Christ.... The Key is knowing who we are in Christ. When we discover who we really are in Christ, all the cravings in the world don’t seem so tempting
When we discover who we really are in Christ <-- please make a thread about it, we really need it, especially to overcome sin
 
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theanointedsinner

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to help ease temptation and strange justification to sin that comes from the Devil himself

if your significant other complains about your lack of stamina, or performance issue, and consider divorce on the grounds of that, does your significant other truly love you?

the anxiety comes from insecurities compels the victim to seek reassurance, and the victim becomes willing to sin for the sake of that, and the pursuit is not for pleasure at that time, the pursuit is that "sin promise relief" at that moment, relief from the anxiety that Satan created in you.
 

Placid

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Hi Dpecheur,

I have been waiting for your response, --- to find out how you were doing.

This is a truth that we need to consider,
“God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.” 2 Peter 3:9. --- So it is not God’s will that any of us should perish or be lost, but His will is that all should be saved. --- And our salvation comes through our repentance before Him. Each one of us must repent or we cannot be saved.

While it is God’s will that all should be saved, it is up to us whether we want to take the steps that lead to salvation. --- While the invitation is open to all, we know that not many are saved. --- Isn’t that tragic?

But the way to salvation is through repentance. To start a new life with God. --- ‘Whosoever will may come,’ but ‘whosoever won’t come to God in repentance’ will continue in their lost state.
--- I am looking forward to knowing how you are so we can go on with some positive options.
 

john832

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It's all in your mind and in the way you yourself personally interpret the
Bible. If you think it's a sin to watch porn, then for you it is definitely sin.


Rom 14:14 . . To him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is
unclean.


Rom 14:23 . . If you do anything you believe is not right, you are sinning.

NOTE: Beware judging others according to your own personal values
because that would be usurping Christ's sovereign right to make the rules.
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At least this part of your post is right.

Mat 5:27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.'
Mat 5:28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.