Is medication sin

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MJDutton

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The way I look at "meds", is like this: "If God can heal disease, or, even prevent disease, which He can. And, if God and/or Jesus will never leave nor forsake ye, and they don't. And, yer sick? The main question you need to ponder on, is: "Guess who walked away?"
John 9:1-4
"As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" Jesus answered, "It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him. We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming, when no one can work."

Illness is not always connected to sin or walking away from God, it can be there so that we can see Gods glory when the illness is cured by Him, in His time and under His conditions, not ours.
 

mar09

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Even the woman with the issue of blood went to many physicians although she wasnt healed. Mk.5.26. But doctors were recognized then, just as local or personal use of herbs and salt for healing was in place.
 
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This is one of those places where translators put in punctuation marks ( of which there are none in the original language ) that can make it seem what is said is not really what it appears. John 9 :1-4 is IMO one of those cases. Let's look at that scripture like this below moving the marks put in by translators.

John 9:1-4

As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" Jesus answered, "It was not that this man sinned, or his parent. ( period)

Then Jesus says. " But that the works of God might be displayed in him we must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming, when no one can work." See how that changes what is being said by taking the period out?

It says simply that Jesus must work the works that the Father sent Him to do and the sickness has nothing to do with their sin nor the man's sin before he was born ( don't know how that could happen )

Jesus healing the man despite any sin shows the true heart and will of the Father in making the man well.

I agree with you that the healing will manifest in the Lord's timing and not ours. We are to believe we receive when we pray...and then we shall have them...( in the future it will come to us....when that is manifested should be irrelevant... )




John 9:1-4
"As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" Jesus answered, "It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him. We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming, when no one can work."

Illness is not always connected to sin or walking away from God, it can be there so that we can see Gods glory when the illness is cured by Him, in His time and under His conditions, not ours.
 

Angela53510

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They all lived a good ole' age of 90 an up. I remembered our neighbor, she was about 91 years old at the time. my dad use to send me over to her home to bring her some of our eggs straight from the hen's house. She always cleaning and cooking everytime when I comes over. When I get back, my dad asked, what was she doing over there; and I replied back to him, that she's just cooking and cleaning her house over there. I used to delivered eggs all down the road to all of the old folks at the time, and none of them even including my relatives has never had any problems and were not dependent on family members for help. I remembered a time that people will go on a vacation to visit their grandparents, but now most grandparents are in hospitals and or staying with relatives and which it is common. Now in these days, it is forbidden to let some over the age of 60 to stay by themselves.



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You obviously didn't get what I said. I said that the people who would have died without modern medicine, DID DIE 50 or more years ago. And the ones that survived were much stronger generally. So perhaps medicine is leading to the further devolution of the human species. But I for one am glad that it saved me so many times. My father's sisters are all still alive and kicking. One is 92, and volunteers to help seniors in her community. She is legally blind, because of macular degeneration, but she has never let it stop her. She regularly flies across the US and Canada to visit and help take care of family.

The other sisters are all still very healthy, too. My mom's side, her oldest brother died of cancer a long time ago. He lived in New York State, and was a high level chemist for a pharmaceutical company. It is thought the chemicals he worked with gave him cancer. So there is truth that pharmaceuticals can be dangerous! Especially to the people working on developing them.

But the point is, the sisters who died young, who had weak respiratory systems are not alive to be in old age homes. So it looks like that genration is totally healthy, except for the fact that the "weak" people are not around to bring down the averages.

But with younger folks like me who have been sick since birth, it looks like medicine is making me sick, when in fact it is genetic weaknesses that I inherited. But since I am not dead, I will take modern medicine.

As for not being by myself, I am over 60, and no one has ever suggested such a thing to me. I also worked as a chaplain in long term care when I was healthier, and the age ranges were amazing. There were many cenatarians who had lively and active minds. Many of them came to the Bible studies I held. Others were young, with diseases like severe MS, or strokes, and work place accidents. So if they were there, it was because something was wrong! Early on-set Alzheimer's is another serious disease that keeps younger adults from living in an independent setting. My MIL has it although she is 85, and still remembers us. But there are younger people there with the same disease, and it is very sad to see. No drugs to treat that disease as yet, but it will be nice when there is!

Oh yes! You might like Afghanistan. There are lots and lots of very old people who are very healthy. That is because the infant mortality rate is so high. Do you know why so many kids die there? Because in order to conserve water, the men pee in the water storage troughs. So many diseases end up in the water with such bad sanitation. So many babies and young children die. But the ones who don't die are pretty much immune to everything. So the super healthy children survive and go on to live to a ripe old age.

That would be one way to have your fictious society where everyone was healthy. Just get rid of medicine, and let the youngest die off, and only the healthy survive.

Oh wait, that is Darwinism on the worst level! And the merit of a Christian society is how it takes care of its weakest members - both young and old, and the sick for that matter. I pray that we will continue to be Christian and both abortion and euthanasia will be stopped.
 
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Keep in mind all of mans medicine, technology and science does not have the power to retain the Spirit of life. If man had the power over the Spirit of life, then man could resurrect the dead. The fact that man cannot resurrect the dead proves man does not have the power to retain the spirit of life, which is only from God who gave Life. Meds can only cover symptoms of the flesh. And it is written "the flesh profits nothing, it is the Spirit that gives life." Give honor where honor is due, and don't believe all the lies of fools.

Ecclesiastes 8:8
"There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it."
 
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If you would of have watched a video that I had posted about fluoride, even this person has noticed the change of health problems has increased enormously over the past 40 years. And there's an investigation about when they removed the prayer from schools that the schools system has increase in bad behaving students. Bu the ones that has done this study forgotten about fluoride was put into our drinking water can be the cause of these new Adolescent Behavioral Problems that they are having in the schools of today. I love fresh clean water, but there are some that doesn't like it because they want to market their drought resistance crops.


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In the scriptures it says that God has given us herb for medicinal purposes. I know someone that was in the Canadian forces; and he told me that they had sent him down to south America; and he told me that he used to chew the leaves on the cocaine plants, but it wasn't addictive, but gives the same affects. He also said that you can chew it for hours and still gives out a long lasting effects than the powder cocaine. He was wondering why doesn't they legalize it since it is not addicting and real cheap to harvest; and he said that no one better not be caught sneaking a seed or an leaf into their country. I guess that they doesn't want no one to know that it is harmless and has the same effects but a longer lasting as the powder cocaine. But it says that we should be sober minded, because of the devil is near.

Actually, it's still legal.
"In 1994, possession of 1 gram of cocaine was legalized for personal use[SUP]. [/SUP][SUP][/SUP][SUP][/SUP]Sale remains illegal, but personal production or gifts of cocaine are permitted."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cocaine
 

tanakh

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If taking medication is sinful then God would have provided an alternative. Since you dont see Christians performing mass healings anywhere like curing Ebola victims then the only alternative in some cases is death. When vaccinations were first used, the Church denounced them because it believed they prevented Gods judgement from being carried out on the 'sinner'
where would we be now if they had won the argument?
 
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RobbyEarl

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All healing comes from the Lord. That means the aspirin or Ibuprofen or Tylenol comes from the Lord.
 
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Actually, it's still legal.
"In 1994, possession of 1 gram of cocaine was legalized for personal use[SUP]. [/SUP]Sale remains illegal, but personal production or gifts of cocaine are permitted."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cocaine
As medicinal purposes. But the only reason that they doesn't want to legalized it, it is because the plant itself is able to grow in a certain climate and attitude; if trying to raise it from out of this area, that the plant will become just a plant that will have no effect at all. The powder has an short term affect and which that makes it more addictive. But the leaf has long term affects. I believe that whom ever had put in as an illegal substance wanting to put it in the black-market so that they can make a lot of profit from this cheaply producing plant, and which they doesn't want the South Americans to have that much control over this product that will make this country become very rich. The only reason that they has lifted the banned of alcohol beverages, it is because they were too many politician's hands that were handling the smuggling of alcohol. But they did not legalized cocaine because they said that it caused Black men to rape white women, and which we cannot have that. Politicians has too much power, and that is why we need a God-fearing person in office that doesn't know how to bite their tongues.



Coca-Cola was first created in 1886 by Atlanta pharmacist John Pemberton, who modeled his beverage after a then-popular French refreshment, coca wine, made by mixing coca-leaf extract with Bordeaux wine. To avoid liquor regulations, Pemberton chose to mix his coca-leaf extract with sugar syrup instead of wine. He also added kola-nut extract, lending Coca-Cola the second half of its name, as well as an extra jolt of caffeine. [6 Party Drugs That May Have Health Benefits] http://www.livescience.com/41975-does-coca-cola-contain-cocaine.html

Best Answer: Well actually it is derived from the same compounds as cocaine. Now, I disagree with one of your posters about it making you fail a drug test. It could if you were drug tested while it was still in your system because the chemical by products that are left in your system after it metabolizes the compounds are the same as those left by cocaine. But because it is flushed from your system so quickly it most likely won't cause a false positive on a drug test. Now, fun fact. Guess where they get the raw material to process those coca based analgesics (like novacaine and lidocaine)...the very same growers that produce the black market cocaine. Coca is only able to grow consistently in a very small area of South America at this time and so these companies that produce the drugs are forced to buy from the same suppliers as the drug cartels. Isn't that a little bit of funny. https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090528110655AAJhk64


At the beginning of the 20th century, cocaine began to be linked to crime. In 1900, the Journal of the American Medical Association published an editorial stating, "Negroes in the South are reported as being addicted to a new form of vice – that of 'cocaine sniffing' or the 'coke habit.'" Some newspapers later claimed cocaine use caused blacks to rape white women and was improving their pistol marksmanship. Chinese immigrants were blamed for importing the opium-smoking habit to the U.S. The 1903 blue-ribbon citizens' panel, the Committee on the Acquirement of the Drug Habit, concluded, "If the Chinaman cannot get along without his dope we can get along without him." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Narcotics_Tax_Act


 
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RobbyEarl

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As medicinal purposes. But the only reason that they doesn't want to legalized it, it is because the plant itself is able to grow in a certain climate and attitude; if trying to raise it from out of this area, that the plant will become just a plant that will have no effect at all. The powder has an short term affect and which that makes it more addictive. But the leaf has long term affects. I believe that whom ever had put in as an illegal substance wanting to put it in the black-market so that they can make a lot of profit from this cheaply producing plant, and which they doesn't want the South Americans to have that much control over this product that will make this country become very rich. The only reason that they has lifted the banned of alcohol beverages, it is because they were too many politician's hands that were handling the smuggling of alcohol. But they did not legalized cocaine because they said that it caused Black men to rape white women, and which we cannot have that. Politicians has too much power, and that is why we need a God-fearing person in office that doesn't know how to bite their tongues.



Coca-Cola was first created in 1886 by Atlanta pharmacist John Pemberton, who modeled his beverage after a then-popular French refreshment, coca wine, made by mixing coca-leaf extract with Bordeaux wine. To avoid liquor regulations, Pemberton chose to mix his coca-leaf extract with sugar syrup instead of wine. He also added kola-nut extract, lending Coca-Cola the second half of its name, as well as an extra jolt of caffeine. [6 Party Drugs That May Have Health Benefits] http://www.livescience.com/41975-does-coca-cola-contain-cocaine.html

Best Answer:Well actually it is derived from the same compounds as cocaine. Now, I disagree with one of your posters about it making you fail a drug test. It could if you were drug tested while it was still in your system because the chemical by products that are left in your system after it metabolizes the compounds are the same as those left by cocaine. But because it is flushed from your system so quickly it most likely won't cause a false positive on a drug test. Now, fun fact. Guess where they get the raw material to process those coca based analgesics (like novacaine and lidocaine)...the very same growers that produce the black market cocaine. Coca is only able to grow consistently in a very small area of South America at this time and so these companies that produce the drugs are forced to buy from the same suppliers as the drug cartels. Isn't that a little bit of funny. https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090528110655AAJhk64


At the beginning of the 20th century, cocaine began to be linked to crime. In 1900, the Journal of the American Medical Association published an editorial stating, "Negroes in the South are reported as being addicted to a new form of vice – that of 'cocaine sniffing' or the 'coke habit.'" Some newspapers later claimed cocaine use caused blacks to rape white women and was improving their pistol marksmanship. Chinese immigrants were blamed for importing the opium-smoking habit to the U.S. The 1903 blue-ribbon citizens' panel, the Committee on the Acquirement of the Drug Habit, concluded, "If the Chinaman cannot get along without his dope we can get along without him." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Narcotics_Tax_Act


So what and where is your faith?
 
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All healing comes from the Lord. That means the aspirin or Ibuprofen or Tylenol comes from the Lord.
Yes, at the time, God was trying to perfect the natural. The only reason why we call on Him to heal us, it is because we has done something wrong that caused us to feel ill. And so to make sure that we doesn't keep on picking up the phone to call Him for help, that he will give us knowledge to prevent the problems.


Deuteronomy 5:33 Walk in obedience to all that the Lord your God has commanded you, so that you may live and prosper and prolong your days in the land that you will possess.


The Bible condemns the use of poisons for medicine and labels it as sorcery, and very plainly tells us that true medicine is leaves. The common name used for medical leaves is herbs. Ps.104:14 says that He has given us "herbs for the service of man."

Learn more: The Bible condemns drugs and says to use herbs as medicine (Opinion) - NaturalNews.com


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So what and where is your faith?
My faith is only in God,. But science has proven that the rituals has certain benefits. God did not explained to the people at the time because of the deceptions that were going on. If He would of had left reason why, that the devil will come by to distort the truth as the way he has done to Eve. And so He did not give the reason why. the devil just thought that it was just for religious practice and so he sent his angels out to compete without knowing the purpose.
 
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RobbyEarl

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I only preach and teach that what my master teaches and that is Him crucified and risen from the dead. I don't know what you are saying. All Healing comes from the Lord and by His stripes we are healed. There is nothing else and yes He sends rain on the wicked and the just.
 
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I only preach and teach that what my master teaches and that is Him crucified and risen from the dead. I don't know what you are saying. All Healing comes from the Lord and by His stripes we are healed. There is nothing else and yes He sends rain on the wicked and the just.
He has healed us from the affects of not obeying the laws. That is why He has said that if you obey my rules, that it will help you in the land that you possessed. But if you want to believed that God had them to be circumcised to mark His territory, then go on into believing that.
 
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RobbyEarl

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He has healed us from the affects of not obeying the laws. That is why He has said that if you obey my rules, that it will help you in the land that you possessed. But if you want to believed that God had them to be circumcised to mark His territory, then go on into believing that.
Which rule must obey to obtain righteousness?