Is medication sin

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As someone who is forever getting stuck on there, their, and they're, (I understand the difference, but I still type the wrong one often enough), I think we should start a trend where that is how to spell all three of those words! Who's with me theiyr're? lol


Nay, miss. It is decided in thine mind that I shouldest speak in the English of the KJV to proclaim to all that shall listen mine words and mine thoughts. Yea.
 
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ROFL. Punk, I'm not some paid Internet troll. I'm just a middle-aged ex-con seeking Jesus that doesn't put up with crap from anybody and isn't afraid in the least about calling people out on their bad behavior. I've taken lives with my bare hands, so standing up to some dork who knows a few obscure quotes of Scripture and reading their pedigree in front of everyone isn't an issue for me.

I'm really sorry you are so insecure that you feel the need to try and pick fights on the Internet. Do you not have any friends? Do you not have anybody who loves you? Is your life that empty? Are you longing for human interaction but you can't figure out how to do it so you just lash out at people because eve a fight is better than being ignored? I'm so sorry. Really I am. Maybe if you'd develop some personality and the ability to talk to people with some respect, people would like you better. As it is though, you're just more white noise to deal with. Boy I run into a lot of that on this site. Sad. I didn't know that this website had a redirect page from www.wehateanyonethatdoesntagreewithusandwillqoutescripturelikeajackass.com to the main page of this website. Interesting.
I know that you are one and that there are others that is on this site that uses all types of tactics trying to lure others away from knowing what is going on about the foods that we are eating, that it is causing our bodies to break down prematurely. And you guys doesn't care because you and the others health is depleting, and so you all doesn't care about anyone else but your own; as its says, misery loves company and that is so. These corporations only hires these people because they doesn't has any care for human life, and that they love sin. I remembered when I was growing up, that i use to walk with my 80 years old grandmother from church to walk around to visit her friends that lived around in the area, and that everyone were fully independent, able to cook all sort of cakes and pies and maintain their own homes without any difficulties; but now, almost everyone that is over the age of 24 on up has some type of health issues, that they are totally dependent on the state to take care of them, but it was never like this before. And what ever that I put down, it is the truth, and doesn't spread rumors as the way you and the rest are doing.
 
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...okay. Whatever you say. Go right ahead and believe whatever you wish.
Okay.., what is your opinion on genetically modified organism foods that is being put onto your table without your permission?
 
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And so does you think that a person has the right to know what they are doing to our foods, and able to decide whether to eat it or not?

[video]https://youtu.be/b5X5CMoE_sU[/video]
 

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It is not a sin. There are two ways to recover from a ill: – First one is medication. The greek word 'farmakia' (φαρμακεια) has an other meaning. It is translated with witchcraft because in Ancient Greece the pagan temples were considerated a place recovery with magical rituals. However the Medicine is the work of a persons that have spent all their life to save people from death. That is the work of Holy Spirit, because He help people to discover the medicine. – An other way is to be recovered with miracles. Both in the Old Testament and in the New Testament prophets healed or revived people. In the Old Testament Elijah has revived the son of a woman. And in the New Testament Jesus has healed physical and spiritual people and also revived Lazarus and the daughter of the temple prist and even hiself. But a lot of people belive that Jesus can't do miracles anymore. That's wrong. In fact Jesus told His Apostles to continue what He did. So in nowadays just Saints who have the Holy Spirit can do miracles. We must pray to the Saints or to Jesus Christ. But when we pray for someone sick we must not pray as this is an obligation. But we must pray as if God heal that person we pray for, to consider that God made us a miracle. When we pray for a sick people we must suffer fir him and cry. We must become a sacrifice for his recovery. In the Bibli the Canaanean woman who was tracking Jesus praing for his daughter said: 'Lord mercy me because my daughter is overdone by a demon'. She prayed Jesus to merch her although his daughter was sick. She suffered more than his daughter. And for that Jesus has healed his daughter, saying: 'Oh, woman, your faith is great'.
 
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That is a lot of work to go search out things about someone to malign them about because you don't agree with her views on some scriptures or doctrine. But I will leave it at that too. I'm done as well. I hope you are feeling better and that the Lord makes you stronger each day as you fight against the illnesses that are attacking you. Bless you!

Of course cognitive neuroscience is valid. I never said it wasn't. What I said, was that her degrees (and I did look them up!) have little to do with cognitive neuroscience. What is Logopaedics? It Is speech therapy. An excellent and practical clinical degree. Of course, in North America, you learn it as a Master's degree, but we can let that go.

Her Master's and Ph.D's are in Communiction Pathology, which Wiikapedia defines as:

"Speech-language pathology is a field of expertise practiced by a clinician known as a Speech-language pathologist(SLP), also called speech and language therapist,[SUP][1][/SUP] or speech therapist, who specializes in the evaluation and treatment of communication disorders and swallowing disorders."

So I will say, if I ever needed a speech pathologist, I wouldn't hesitate to go to the highly qualified Dr. Caroline Leaf.

What I am missing are two things:

1. Any kind of training or experience in the field of cognitive neuroscience.

2. Any kind of training or experience in correctly using the Bible - ie good hermeneutics and interpretation, and knowledge of Greek and Hebrew.

This woman is setting herself up as an expert, in a field she has not trained in. On top of it, according to the video enlightenment posted, she is speaking all over the world in churches. She is stringing together the Bible with a bunch of concepts in psychology, a subject she is not qualified in.

The thing is, if she just wants to talk about some ideas she has learned in her Word Faith church, and people understand that is where she is coming from I don't have a problem with it. OK, I do, because the Word Faith is a total heresy. But I digress. Suffice it to say, if she was above board, I would argue with the doctrine not against the person.

But because she is billing herself as a Ph.D expert, then I have the right to examine what her degree is in, and how she uses it. And she is not using any of her degrees, except maybe some Pysch 101 courses that all Arts undergrads seem to have. (Yes, I do have it!)

Then there is the need for a real understanding of how to interpret the Bible. I have seen so many lies and bad theology from the Word Faith people in this forum, it drives me crazy! I'm not talking about classic Pentecostalism. I am talking about Ken Hagin, down to Kenneth Copeland, moving to everyone from quacks like Benny Hinn, nonsense like the Toronto and Pensacola Blessings, through to Joyce Meyers, Joel Osteen, and on and on. The ear ticklers of this generation.

Which from what I heard on the video that was posted, she is yet another ear tickler.

That's all, I'm done!
 
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That is a lot of work to go search out things about someone to malign them about because you don't agree with her views on some scriptures or doctrine. But I will leave it at that too. I'm done as well. I hope you are feeling better and that the Lord makes you stronger each day as you fight against the illnesses that are attacking you. Bless you!
This was the purpose of the old laws, and that is to improve those that put their trust in the Lord.

Deuteronomy 5:33 Walk in obedience to all that the Lord your God has commanded you, so that you may live and prosper and prolong your days in the land that you will possess.

But they did not listened. But now there's a new threat, but God reveals it to all, but the only ones that will listen are the ones that has the spirit of the truth in them; and that is the only way that you can recognizes them, but you haveto have te truth in you to be able to see.

John 14:17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.



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Although there have been no human clinical trials, experts conclude that there is sufficient evidence from animal feeding studies to remove GMOs altogether. The American Academy of Environmental Medicine (AAEM) called for a moratorium in 2009 based on their review of the research. According to their former president, Dr. Robin Bernhoft, the Academy “recommends that all physicians should prescribe non-genetically modified food for all patients, and that we should educate all of our patients on the potential health dangers, and known health dangers of GMO food.”
Today, thousands of physicians and nutritionists do just that, and they report that a wide variety of health conditions improve after people make the change. Here’s some recent examples:
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2 Timothy 3:2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,

1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

Hebrews 13:5 Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”


I had remembered an old woman that she was very wicked because she has came from rags to riches very quickly; that she didn't care for so much about the word; she had thought that she was unbreakable. Her plans were to live life to the fullest, and then her children will buried her when it is her time to go. But in her wildest dream, that she would never had thought that most of all of her children will die before her time to go. She has went the rest of her life to her grave crying, because of her plans has taken a detour. God says, whom ever exalted themselves, will be humbled.


Isaiah 25:12 He will bring down your high fortified walls and lay them low; he will bring them down to the ground, to the very dust.
 

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There's a lot of meds that are good for the body, but there are some that aren't any good at all. But then instead of taking meds to cover up the pain, that they should look for the source that is causing these ailments and get rid of it. it says that whatever God had created, that it is good, not bad for us. And so someone else must of had created something.
I agree with you, I always tell my self I have to poison my self to keep living. The meds i take are poison, I know that, but I had no other choice. Ive spent years researching a cure, and i think I am on to it, the root cause that is.

I dont believe when the doctors tell me there isnt a cure for it.

Eventually the medication will do more harm than good and ive been preparing my self for whenever thay happens.
 
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That is a lot of work to go search out things about someone to malign them about because you don't agree with her views on some scriptures or doctrine. But I will leave it at that too. I'm done as well. I hope you are feeling better and that the Lord makes you stronger each day as you fight against the illnesses that are attacking you. Bless you!
Caroline Leaf is saying some impossible things "we can change our genes"

Psychology of people is very different from neuroscience. Neuroscience is looking at the brain and seeing which tasks are done where and working out how to communicate with the brain. So they can use hearing implants and optic nerve implants to help sound and sight.

What they have learnt is the brain spreads processing all over, and then uses specialist areas for particular tasks, like accessing memories, creating a response, speaking, reading etc.

They are no where near talking about behaviour, male, female and biblical issues.

It appears she uses the cloak of science to introduce basic philosophical ideas about men and women based on behaviour, which is psychology not neuroscience.

To talk about changing your genes is rubbish. Your makeup is in every cell in your body which has a copy of your own unique gene model, which does not change throughout your life, other than in destructive mutations, which can cause cancer and death.

The only science about changing genes is using invading viruses to implant new genes into you, or sections to correct failures or problems. This is very dangerous and has not been licensed for use in humans. It has nothing to do with faith or even a reality discovered in science that is something the body does, rather the body fights and destroys any process that attempts to change or corrupt genes in any form because you die if the gene code is changed.

So whatever platform this woman has, she is lying and miss-leading people. I will dig deeper, but the fact she has a platform at all is a shame on those who would listen to her in any form. She is 100% dangerous.
 
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Critique of Dr Caroline Leaf

Dr Caroline Leaf – Serious questions, few answers (Part 2) | Dr C. Edward Pitt

After reading for 10 minutes, this woman is a total quack.

"Thoughts go to change our DNA and get passed on to the next generations"

There is a lot of debate in the biological world about defines what the will is and thoughts themselves, and how free we are.
The truth is we do not know what the primary thought triggers are, but we all know we choose to do things every day.
Unfortunately we only know that on the inside of our own heads because you could all be robots and I am the only real person!!!!

Dr C Edward Pitt is well placed to look at the ladies claims, being a GP

Take a claim like this
“75 to 98% of ALL illness is related to our thought life.”
At a simple level if you are going to say this, there is a massive difference between 3/4 of all illnesses or almost all illness are related to thought life. A virus or bacteria are attacking us all the time, it is whether our immune systems are on top of it or not. Stress effects your immune system, so therefore you are more vulnerable to not fight well invading organisms if you are stressed. But if you have never faced a flu virus, it will make you ill no matter how chilled you are.

This is why I would call this woman a quack.
 

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I know that you are one and that there are others that is on this site that uses all types of tactics trying to lure others away from knowing what is going on about the foods that we are eating, that it is causing our bodies to break down prematurely. And you guys doesn't care because you and the others health is depleting, and so you all doesn't care about anyone else but your own; as its says, misery loves company and that is so. These corporations only hires these people because they doesn't has any care for human life, and that they love sin. I remembered when I was growing up, that i use to walk with my 80 years old grandmother from church to walk around to visit her friends that lived around in the area, and that everyone were fully independent, able to cook all sort of cakes and pies and maintain their own homes without any difficulties; but now, almost everyone that is over the age of 24 on up has some type of health issues, that they are totally dependent on the state to take care of them, but it was never like this before. And what ever that I put down, it is the truth, and doesn't spread rumors as the way you and the rest are doing.
First, maybe the reason you didn't see any sick old people on your grandmother's visits to her friends is that all the sick ones had died because modern medicine was not available, when they were growing up? My parents lived to a ripe old age. My mom is still alive at 86, and other than some osteo, she is healthy. But both my parents had sisters who died of pneumonia when they were 5, because antibiotics were not available in those days. Do scratch them off the visitation list! I first got pneumonia as a baby. I did live, because of antibiotics. Although for years, in my 30's and 40's I had serious lung issues, including multiple pneumonias and bronchitis. I lived on those drugs for a couple of years, till allergy shots stopped the inflammation.

But hey, I was already living on borrowed time, since I should have died in infancy. Sadly, it is likely that because of playing with my immune system, and I developed severe Rheumatiid Arthritis, which is not responding to treatment. And I forgot to mention I would have died 4 times in child birth, without modern medical interventions. So you can definitely scratch me off your visitation list for 50 years ago! God is so good in preserving me by having me be born at a time when medicine had advanced so far, and kept me alive into my middle sixties already.

As for GMO foods, I have been boycotting them since I first heard of them. But since I don't buy processed foods, and I grow my own foods or buy locally, it isn't a big issue. I don't like the idea of genetically modifying goods from the form that God crested them. But did it cause my RA, allergies or asthma? Probably not, since I had those diseases well before the first GMO foods were created.

The more I read your posts, 4Enlightenment, the more I wonder about your incredibly bad grammar. Especially your lack of agreement between nouns and verbs! Are you ESL? Did you never have the opportunity to finish school? Are you learning disabled? Whatever the reason, it is difficult to read your posts, with the grammar being so convoluted. Instead of constantly posting in this forum about things you don't understand because of a poor education, why don't you enroll in school and go for your GED! I started learning Koine Greek and Masoretic Hebrew in my late 50's and it has helped me enormously in studying the Bible. So it is possible to kearn and grow even when we get older. Praying for you to find a way to learn the fundamentals of English grammar, as well as understanding science and research, which would help you discern better these untrue conspiracy theories, and scams meant to suck people in, with a low level of education.
 
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Critique of Dr Caroline Leaf

Dr Caroline Leaf – Serious questions, few answers (Part 2) | Dr C. Edward Pitt

After reading for 10 minutes, this woman is a total quack.

"Thoughts go to change our DNA and get passed on to the next generations"

There is a lot of debate in the biological world about defines what the will is and thoughts themselves, and how free we are.
The truth is we do not know what the primary thought triggers are, but we all know we choose to do things every day.
Unfortunately we only know that on the inside of our own heads because you could all be robots and I am the only real person!!!!

Dr C Edward Pitt is well placed to look at the ladies claims, being a GP

Take a claim like this
“75 to 98% of ALL illness is related to our thought life.”
At a simple level if you are going to say this, there is a massive difference between 3/4 of all illnesses or almost all illness are related to thought life. A virus or bacteria are attacking us all the time, it is whether our immune systems are on top of it or not. Stress effects your immune system, so therefore you are more vulnerable to not fight well invading organisms if you are stressed. But if you have never faced a flu virus, it will make you ill no matter how chilled you are.

This is why I would call this woman a quack.[/QUOTE



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Well, if she a quack, then we better start listening to this quack, because for someone that is up in age, she is very healthy and nice looking. I doesn't has anything against people that is dependent on federal taxes for support, but when they purposely put themselves in that predicament, and then tries to increases their health problems so that they can receive more funds from the government, and then there is a problem that I have with that. There are people that lives in this country that is purposely trying to abused by eating unhealthy so that they can get on government assistance when they becomes ill, because they are so lazy to work. But then they get jobs as trolls and which that isn't a job, there is a lot of people out there that spreads rumors for free. There were a time that they were trying to get rid of all government assistance programs, even including social security. But they are trying to remove healthcare programs and start having others to be responsible for their own healthcare; because there are too many people that is receiving government assistance for healthcare that it is breaking the system. Pretty soon, maybe tomorrow, that everyone will decide not to support the hopeless anymore and transfer all of that tax-payer money towards national defense and which national defense doesn't need no helpless person working for them; and it doesn't matter how loyal that helpless person was to them, they will still vomited them out. And so be lucky that there is a few people that shows concerns of this world that prevents the world from going into that direction. But just imagine if everyone just says,"what the heck, who cares"., but then trolls will not be needed anymore. And now you will be in a situation that no more government funds to assist and no more job opportunity for the helpless.


Matthew 26:11 The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me.
 
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First, maybe the reason you didn't see any sick old people on your grandmother's visits to her friends is that all the sick ones had died because modern medicine was not available, when they were growing up? My parents lived to a ripe old age. My mom is still alive at 86, and other than some osteo, she is healthy. But both my parents had sisters who died of pneumonia when they were 5, because antibiotics were not available in those days. Do scratch them off the visitation list! I first got pneumonia as a baby. I did live, because of antibiotics. Although for years, in my 30's and 40's I had serious lung issues, including multiple pneumonias and bronchitis. I lived on those drugs for a couple of years, till allergy shots stopped the inflammation.

But hey, I was already living on borrowed time, since I should have died in infancy. Sadly, it is likely that because of playing with my immune system, and I developed severe Rheumatiid Arthritis, which is not responding to treatment. And I forgot to mention I would have died 4 times in child birth, without modern medical interventions. So you can definitely scratch me off your visitation list for 50 years ago! God is so good in preserving me by having me be born at a time when medicine had advanced so far, and kept me alive into my middle sixties already.

As for GMO foods, I have been boycotting them since I first heard of them. But since I don't buy processed foods, and I grow my own foods or buy locally, it isn't a big issue. I don't like the idea of genetically modifying goods from the form that God crested them. But did it cause my RA, allergies or asthma? Probably not, since I had those diseases well before the first GMO foods were created.

The more I read your posts, 4Enlightenment, the more I wonder about your incredibly bad grammar. Especially your lack of agreement between nouns and verbs! Are you ESL? Did you never have the opportunity to finish school? Are you learning disabled? Whatever the reason, it is difficult to read your posts, with the grammar being so convoluted. Instead of constantly posting in this forum about things you don't understand because of a poor education, why don't you enroll in school and go for your GED! I started learning Koine Greek and Masoretic Hebrew in my late 50's and it has helped me enormously in studying the Bible. So it is possible to kearn and grow even when we get older. Praying for you to find a way to learn the fundamentals of English grammar, as well as understanding science and research, which would help you discern better these untrue conspiracy theories, and scams meant to suck people in, with a low level of education.
They all lived a good ole' age of 90 an up. I remembered our neighbor, she was about 91 years old at the time. my dad use to send me over to her home to bring her some of our eggs straight from the hen's house. She always cleaning and cooking everytime when I comes over. When I get back, my dad asked, what was she doing over there; and I replied back to him, that she's just cooking and cleaning her house over there. I used to delivered eggs all down the road to all of the old folks at the time, and none of them even including my relatives has never had any problems and were not dependent on family members for help. I remembered a time that people will go on a vacation to visit their grandparents, but now most grandparents are in hospitals and or staying with relatives and which it is common. Now in these days, it is forbidden to let some over the age of 60 to stay by themselves.



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And about the immune system; I was born with the cord around my neck dead in the womb, but the doctor had revived me by breathing into the cord. And had a lot of other death experiences while I was an infant. My dad use to check on me while I'm asleep to makes sure that i'm sleeping on my belly so that i will not build up fluid in my lungs, and he has done that until I reached the age of ten and healthy; but I guess that it has been embedded into his mind to away check on me. My dad did not believe in meds accept for antibiotics but he always praying for a good day every day. And so the doctors back then tries not to get people dependent on meds, but tries to teach them to eat a balance meal. I guess God hands was over me making sure that I doesn't become dependent to deceitfulness of drugs and so He probably has appointed these doctors or inspired them at the time.
 
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Okay.., what is your opinion on genetically modified organism foods that is being put onto your table without your permission?
Why isn't this person charged for advertising so often on here? Clearly "genetically modified organism foods" has nothing to do with is medication sin, and yet, this is obviously a bridge to the next YouTube commercial he's going to pitch!

If he hadn't been here long enough to give me doubt I'm right, I'd be saying this is 3keys' alternative user account.
 
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Why isn't this person charged for advertising so often on here? Clearly "genetically modified organism foods" has nothing to do with is medication sin, and yet, this is obviously a bridge to the next YouTube commercial he's going to pitch!

If he hadn't been here long enough to give me doubt I'm right, I'd be saying this is 3keys' alternative user account.
This is how it goes like; when a group of trolls enter the chat room, they studies to see how things work, and then they start pressing the like button on each other to build up each other reputations. And yes, there has been reviews that gmo's are causing health problems all over the world because God says not to blend the species. And now people are caught up in the lies that their illness is due to some genetic problem that has been passed on down from our parents, and so now people are putting their faith in meds, because the devil has deceiving people ever since fluoride and pesticide has been in affect in our foods and water since the early and mid century ago. This is a discussion board to build up our faith in God, and so why is there trolls on board that is trying to build up our faith in corporations. They should be banned from this earth but not just only the site.


Jeremiah 17:5 This is what the Lord says: “Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who draws strength from mere flesh and whose heart turns away from the Lord.
 
Revelation 9:21 Says that we shouldn't practice witchcraft [Greek word; Pharmakeia] which is where we get our word pharmacy from.

It's description is sometimes translated by greek scholars as drugs.

I personally get perverse thoughts when I'm off of these medications but when I'm on them I get pretty bad side effects too so it's kind of a hard decision either way.

Now the medical world would tell you that these medications are not bad for you but I think theres many Christians who would say otherwise so it's hard to tell.

I'm talking about anti psychotics anti depressants ect. not antibiotics or natural supplements.

I've been told by pastors I should take my medication and i've been told by pastors their not good for me.

I personally have three diseases and I need to take a different type of medication called anti biotics in addition to the other stuff these make me pretty different because their killing off diseases in my body.
The way I look at "meds", is like this: "If God can heal disease, or, even prevent disease, which He can. And, if God and/or Jesus will never leave nor forsake ye, and they don't. And, yer sick? The main question you need to ponder on, is: "Guess who walked away?"
 

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I was born with a calcium deficiency called rickets. If not having been put on a regimen, many complications could easily have set in. Canned milk was used as a medicine among other food supplements.

Other problems arose in my life, rheumatic fever, and more severe later on. I was blessed to have penicillan treatment for the fever for about six months, and here I am, old.

I do not think I turned my back on the Lord, no, He blessed me.

So it goes for all who believe. If luke was a doctor, well, I suppose doctors may be consulted. I do not need to test God by playing with scorpions and snakes to know He cares for me contantly.

God bless all in Jesus Christ....
 
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I was born with a calcium deficiency called rickets. If not having been put on a regimen, many complications could easily have set in. Canned milk was used as a medicine among other food supplements.

Other problems arose in my life, rheumatic fever, and more severe later on. I was blessed to have penicillan treatment for the fever for about six months, and here I am, old.

I do not think I turned my back on the Lord, no, He blessed me.

So it goes for all who believe. If luke was a doctor, well, I suppose doctors may be consulted. I do not need to test God by playing with scorpions and snakes to know He cares for me contantly.

God bless all in Jesus Christ....
I'm not saying all drugs are bad, but we shouldn't become dependent to them as well as a source to live. It says that we are all weak, that our faith in God needs building up. But now if your heart is in that direction, then God will give you knowledge about your illness and how to be healed from it. But like penicillin, if you know the way how it became, that it was done accidentally by leaving a petri dishes with blood out over night by accident, and the next morning they have found the dish with blood in it molded, but they noticed that one speck was not molded and they has studied it to see why, and then there's penicillin; I believed that was the spirit of God that was handling that. But you know, from what I heard that the ancient tribes had used molded bread to rubbed it on their wounds.