Is Repentance Necessary For Salvation?

JGIG · Jan 23, 2015

Those entries are someone's interpretation, not a definition of the word repent itself.

I thought Torah folk prided themselves on rejecting the opinions of man . . . unless they support the Law-keeping paradigm, of course.

Repent and turn are separate acts.

And in the Old Covenant, you HAD to turn from evil and live according to the Law or be killed.

Turn and live was about the flesh: Obey and live (physical life); disobey and die (death, either of the offender or of a sacrifice in their stead).

In the New Covenant, turning from evil ways is not a requirement for salvation, it is a Fruit of salvation, and Grace is what teaches us, not Law:

11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. 12 It [Grace] teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good. (from Titus 2)

Heart of stone replaced with a heart of flesh; the renewing of the mind and all that. You know, New Covenant stuff

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-JGIG

JGIG · Jan 23, 2015

Jason0047 said:

You're focusing on the symptom not the illness.

If one is a liar and they get caught, they may be embarrassed because they got caught, but that doesn't mean that they will stop lying, it means that they will try harder to not get caught.

What you're missing is that true repentance unto salvation results in a turning from sinning not because of an act of one's will, but because of the Act of their Savior - of giving them New Life (a heart of flesh and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit).

When someone puts their faith in Christ, HE CHANGES THEM.

Right living is a result of faith in Christ, not a requirement for having faith in Christ.

-JGIG

JGIG · Jan 23, 2015

BradC said:

Yes! Grace teaches, it does not demand; God is not counting our sins against us.

And it is not without righteous judgement backing up His Grace - Christ was punished fully for the sins of the world, that is how God can justly not count our sins against us - they have been paid for already.

Will believers suffer natural consequences in this life for sinning?

Yes, sinning is dumb and destructive. But Grace teaches. Grace is patient. Grace is willing for us to learn from our mistakes and bad choices, and takes those opportunities to reveal the Father's love for us in the midst of our failings (which is the lesson of the Prodigal, btw - it is not a story about the acts of the sons as much as it is about the unfailing love and faithfulness of the Father).

One only need to look at the differences in children who are brought up in demanding, performance-driven homes vs. those brought up in grace-filled homes.

Demanding homes may produce properly-behaved children, but there is often not joy and peace radiating from those children, but drive to please and sometimes outright fear of failure and/or punishment. Love is not the root motivation, but fear. Rebellion is often a problem in such homes, and more law is piled on to 'bring the child into compliance'. Two types of adults are produced by such homes: Legalist/fundamentalist mentalities that pass on the dysfunction or rebellion of the standards or God or both.

And that is not what God calls us to. He calls us to His Fruit: Love, joy, patience, peace, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control. Those are the things that Grace produces in the Child of God.

Some do find Grace and get free \o/. See the Recovering Grace website for many stories from those who have come from such families.

Grace-centered homes tend to produce joyful, peaceful children/adults. They are not perfect, but when they mess up, they don't fall apart or walk in condemnation and self-loathing, vowing to do better. They dust themselves off, remember who they are in Christ, come to the Throne of Grace boldly in their times of need and move on. They walk in the renewing of their minds by Christ, and in His gifts of forgiveness and righteousness. They also walk in much greater compassion and Grace towards others, because the Grace of Christ in the New Covenant flows through them, not the condemnation of the Old Covenant (the ministry of death, see 2 Cor. 3).

-JGIG

JGIG · Jan 23, 2015

Jason0047 said:

You still have not posted the Biblical definition of repent, only posted the commentary of man and your own opinions.

You've also posted Scriptures which clearly show that repent and turn are separate terms with separate meanings without recognizing what you're reading.

Go back and actually read what the texts say and look at the definitions of the actual words.

Anyone can 'turn from evil' if they truly 'desire' to do so.

That does not make them righteous.

The Righteousness that makes us acceptable before God is the Righteousness that comes ONLY as a FREE GIFT by FAITH from GOD in CHRIST.

The Scriptures are clear. (. . . Man’s Righteousness or God’s Righteousness?)

-JGIG

Brainfreeze · Jan 25, 2015

Jason0047 said:

Voted... Confess your a sinner, repent turn away from sin. Good thread brother Jason!

4enlightment · Jan 25, 2015

Jason0047 said:

We must change our ways of thinking, because our ways isn't God's ways or our thoughts isn't either; and so we must goes through the steps that leads us to repent.

Romans 2:4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?

2 Timothy 2:25 Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,

2 Corinthians 7:10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.

SavingGrace2015 · Jan 25, 2015

It is in the plan of salvation read Acts ch2 verse 38 Peter outlined what we had to do to be forgiven of our sins and see the kingdom Of Heaven but u gain forgiveness and not repeat the sins you were forgiven for

Galatians2-20 · Jan 25, 2015

Over the last deade or so, there has been a lot of confusion regarding repentance. One popular teaching, especially among those who seem to think that repentance is nothing more than the confession of sin, is that, since Christ bore the cross for the forgiveness of all sin, a believer no longer needs to repent after their initial salvation. They cling to the greek word "metanoa" which is defined as "to change one's mind".

However, Christianity was birthed out of Judaism not Greek philosophy. The Hebrew word for repentance is "shub" (pronounced SHOOV) which means "to turn away from" and / or "to return to" both requiring a literal change in direction. To sum it up, repentance means turning from one thing (sin) by turning to another (God).

Repentance is not something a believer does once. Rather, it is something a believer should do every day of his or her life. It is a lifestyle of turning away from sin & self by turning to God. It implies both intimacy with God and complete reliance on God on a daily basis, resulting in victory over sin & self. Both acknowledging one's sinfulness and confessing one's sin is but the first step on the path which leads to Godliness.

Jesus goes into great detail about this lifestyle of repentance during His Sermon on the Mount which appears in Matthew, chapters 5 - 7.

Hizikyah · Jan 25, 2015

Galatians2-20 said:

Over the last deade or so, there has been a lot of confusion regarding repentance. One popular teaching, especially among those who seem to think that repentance is nothing more than the confession of sin, is that, since Christ bore the cross for the forgiveness of all sin, a believer no longer needs to repent after their initial salvation. They cling to the greek word "metanoa" which is defined as "to change one's mind".

However, Christianity was birthed out of Judaism not Greek philosophy. The Hebrew word for repentance is "shub" (pronounced SHOOV) which means "to turn away from" and / or "to return to" both requiring a literal change in direction. To sum it up, repentance means turning from one thing (sin) by turning to another (God).

Repentance is not something a believer does once. Rather, it is something a believer should do every day of his or her life. It is a lifestyle of turning away from sin & self by turning to God. It implies both intimacy with God and complete reliance on God on a daily basis, resulting in victory over sin & self. Both acknowledging one's sinfulness and confessing one's sin is but the first step on the path which leads to Godliness.

Jesus goes into great detail about this lifestyle of repentance during His Sermon on the Mount which appears in Matthew, chapters 5 - 7.

Even the way the word is used illustrated it is a mind and a physical change.

Acts 26:20 English Standard Version
"but declared first to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and throughout all the region of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God (YHWH), performing deeds in keeping with their repentance."

Hizikyah · Jan 25, 2015

SavingGrace2015 said:

Acts 2:38 (ESV)

[SUP]38 [/SUP]And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 3:19 Parallel Verses
"Repent therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out; that times of refreshing may come from the presence of Yahweh."

New International Version
Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,

New Living Translation
Now repent of your sins and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped away.

Chester · May 25, 2016

I voted for (h) because I believe Scripture teaches the importance of repentance. I liked some of (parts of) the ideas given, but would not equate "repentance" as meaning "forsaking sin". The Greek word for repent means "to think differently" - so it is a change of attitude. As a change of attitude it could be taken to mean "to not be your own God", but it is more than that. Does it include "confessing" - confessing may come as a part of repentance. The first choice "repentance is confessing and forsaking sin" has been the most popular. I agree that true repentance will likely include (or result) in them, but I don't think the word means only exactly that. The Scripture uses different words such as "believe", "confess", "repent", "surrender", etc. These should be not be taken as a list of things we need to do in order to be saved: Yet neither should we use the terms interchangeably because they each focus on a unique part of the salvation story.

Zmouth · May 25, 2016

When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Mark 2:17

For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Rom 11:29

1 John 3:9-10

PilgrimPassingThru · May 25, 2016

The gifts and calling of God are more specifically without repentance it says also

Just as here for the rebellious also

Psalm 68:18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.

Then here, showing the gifts and calling of God without repentance

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance

As it is His goodness which leads you there even as it says of Him

Psalm 25:8 Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way

Even as Paul says,

Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

As His longsuffering is shown as waiting in a time when "sometime were" disobedient

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water

Even as the grace of God is for the obedience of the faith

And this is longsuffering to "us- ward"

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

And for us to come to the same, even though the gifts and calling of God might be without it.

Trail-of-Truth · May 31, 2016

Luke 13:3 answers this

PilgrimPassingThru · Jun 1, 2016

Trail-of-Truth said:

The OP is banned I doubt he can

garee · Jun 1, 2016

I would suggest yes without repentance as the first works on our part, as a faith we offer toward Him.

We should remember faith in respect of two kinds. The things of God and the things of men,.They work two ways . His hearing of faith towards us and ours toward Him . If we offer repentance as our work it is shown as a dead work (no faith).

Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the “foundation of repentance” from dead works, and of faith toward God,.

But salvation is not without repentance on His part .As always he who has no form, and us who have no understandings needed to seek after Him of our own volition.

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.. Rom 3:10

He must do all the work to include the first work of repentance, according to his hearing of faith or he does nothing. I think we can see that in the parable below.

If he does not do the first work of first turning us according to the hearing of His word .Then we have no way to seek after Him who has no form .

No plow before the bullock . or horse before the cart.

I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke:” turn thou me, and I shall be turned;” for thou art the LORD my God.Surely after that “I was turned”, I repented; and after that “I was instructed”, I smote upon my thigh:” I was ashamed”, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth. Jer 31:18

PilgrimPassingThru · Jun 1, 2016

I am likely not following how you are wording things garee, or know whether you agree with those things in those verses or disagree (as they are set forth).

You said, something about a bullock before a cart

Christ is first, He said he came to call sinners to repentance.

And Paul shows we leave off from laying again and again and again those things called the principles of the doctrine of Christ, the repentance of dead works and faith towards God even is followed up behind with the same

Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

And,

Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

So not laying again the foundation of repentance "from" dead works" and of faith

Godly sorrow is that which worketh the repentance to salvation

2 Cr 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Bullock, cart, destination (in this case) what Christ has done is always first.

The other kind of sorrow (sorrow of the world) does not, it works death, but what is wrought in them by godly sorrow is shown in 2 Cr 7:10 (which is the next verse there)

Per the title of the thread itself in respects to the same.

Shows the gifts and calling themselves are without it, and shows godly sorrow works it unto the same. And also, his longsuffering which is shown us-ward isbecause he is not willing that any should perish but "come to"repentance

So I dont see a cart before a bullock when in the verses posts it shows the rebellious and in what manner it does, that he would teach sinners (seeing when we were yet without strength and yet sinners Christ died for the same). Seeing also that he calls (sinners) even unto repentance and pulls in God's longsuffering waiting in the days of Noah even with those which were sometime disobedient and because of his unwillingness that any should perish, and again we see how Gods longsuffering leads to repentance.

The rebellious also

Psalm 68:18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.

Shows the gifts Christ had received of God (and the calling of God) are without repentance

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance Christ is come to call sinners to repentance, and it is God's goodness which leads us unto the same as it says of Him

Psalm 25:8 Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness;
but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

His longsuffering is also shown as waiting in a time we see in Noah which show

these "sometime were" disobedient

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water (See Heb 11:7)

Even where Noah found grace in the eyes of God just as the grace of God is for the obedience of the faith

In which figure shows, By faith Noah moved with fear prepared an ark to the saving of his house.

Andby the same he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

His goodness and longsuffering "leads somewhere" (to repentance) seeing His goodness is tied in also with teaching sinners "in the way". People believe you forget that when not laying again the principle things over and over and over and over, but he does indicate going on to perfection is only if the Lord wills it, no fruit unto perfection is also spoken of.

But again, repentance is not shown first in these things but his goodness (first) and where that should lead

Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

I was just adding to the topic.

Grace777x70 · Jun 1, 2016

Does anyone know why Jason0047 was banned? I don't remember him... it must have happened before I came.

mailmandan · Jun 2, 2016

Hizikyah said:

In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

Ahwatukee · Jun 2, 2016

Jason0047 said:

For anyone who is interested, here is the word "Metanoeo" translated "Repentance"

Strong's Concordance

metanoeó: to change one's mind or purpose

Original Word: μετανοέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metanoeó
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an-o-eh'-o)
Short Definition: I repent, change my mind
Definition: I repent, change my mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God), repent.HELPS Word-studies
3340 metanoéō (from 3326 /metá, "changed after being with" and 3539 /noiéō, "think") – properly, "think differently after," "after a change of mind"; to repent (literally, "think differentlyafterwards").

Is Repentance Necessary For Salvation?

Is Repentance Necessary For Salvation?

Yes, Repentance is Confessing and Forsaking Sin.

Yes, Repentance is Forsaking Sin.

Yes, Repentance is a mental agreement to walk away from sin and walk towards God.

Yes, Repetnace is a mental agrement to turn from sin, but that does mean you have to be sinless or c

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Yes, Repentance is saying you are a sinner before God, and forsaking sin. It is a confession of eac

Yes, Repentance is saying you are a sinner before God, not confessing sin, and not forsaking sin.

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