Is Roman Catholicism Evil?

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Is Roman Catholicism Evil?

  • Yes

    Votes: 59 45.7%
  • No

    Votes: 41 31.8%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 6 4.7%
  • I Don't Know

    Votes: 3 2.3%
  • Mel Gibson

    Votes: 5 3.9%
  • Penguins Are Eating My Eyes!!?

    Votes: 15 11.6%

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garee

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If only that statement was accurate.

It is right to warn people against the sin of idolatry when they are committing it. But calling Catholics idolaters because they have images of Christ and the saints is based on misunderstanding or ignorance of what the Bible says about the purpose and uses (both good and bad) of statues.

People who oppose religious statuary forget about the many passages where the Lord commands the making of statues. For example: "And you shall make two cherubim of gold [i.e., two gold statues of angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be" (Ex. 25:18–20).

Catholics use statues, paintings, and other artistic devices to recall the person or thing depicted. Just as it helps to remember one’s mother by looking at her photograph, so it helps to recall the example of the saints by looking at pictures of them. Catholics also use statues as teaching tools. In the early Church they were especially useful for the instruction of the illiterate. Many Protestants have pictures of Jesus and other Bible pictures in Sunday school for teaching children. Catholics also use statues to commemorate certain people and events, much as Protestant churches have three-dimensional nativity scenes at Christmas.
Catholic use image terphims(household idols) to put a face on disembodied workers with familiar spirts that they must call Patron saints and scripture calls an abomination When one demon comes up it comes up as legion. (many) Catholic have 3,500 and rising available medallion or statues to purchase. It is never one that is conjured up and therefore a person must put a face on the one they are trying to commune with or simply believe they are talking to their own self.

So unlike Protestant who have a image of a love one to help them remember. There images provide a way of communication with the dead.( necromancy) ....

The only person who does not have form and can be communicated with is our Father in heaven .(no image required ) One manner our father in heaven .Not dead relatives in heaven. Catholics simply try to go above that which is written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) to create a private source of faith other than scripture alone. In the end making the word of God without effect.
 

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The Rosary is a prime example of a different Gospel , a different Jesus Christ , a different God.

God Word is very clear , on thee true , procedure to meet with Him in prayers.

Ephesians 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Thee him in Ephesians 2:18 is Jesus Christ the Lord.Satan has deceived , many onto a road that is wide that leads to destruction , it is best to test all things with The Word of God. Thee Roman Catholic church creeds , enciclica and traditions have nothing to do with the God of Abraham Issac & Jacob.

This is being shared to you with love ...

Shalom
 
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JaumeJ

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It is accurate tyhough incomplete. I live in a RCC country where almost monthy there are new items to venerate, to carry out in procession,and yes, to worship.....do not say if only it is, though only the beginning.

If only that statement was accurate.

It is right to warn people against the sin of idolatry when they are committing it. But calling Catholics idolaters because they have images of Christ and the saints is based on misunderstanding or ignorance of what the Bible says about the purpose and uses (both good and bad) of statues.

People who oppose religious statuary forget about the many passages where the Lord commands the making of statues. For example: "And you shall make two cherubim of gold [i.e., two gold statues of angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be" (Ex. 25:18–20).

Catholics use statues, paintings, and other artistic devices to recall the person or thing depicted. Just as it helps to remember one’s mother by looking at her photograph, so it helps to recall the example of the saints by looking at pictures of them. Catholics also use statues as teaching tools. In the early Church they were especially useful for the instruction of the illiterate. Many Protestants have pictures of Jesus and other Bible pictures in Sunday school for teaching children. Catholics also use statues to commemorate certain people and events, much as Protestant churches have three-dimensional nativity scenes at Christmas.
 

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It does not matter what Larson or even the pope say about the Word of God. Because Scripture is the Word of God, by definition it is supreme in all matters of faith and practice. And that is what Sola Scriptura means. If any teaching lines up with Scripture, fine. But if it does not, then it must be rejected.
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Larson's article is dealing with exclusivism not solo Scripture. Here is a quote.
As evidenced by the effective use the Reformers made of the writings of others, for them “sola scriptura” did not mean that we should consider and give weight to nothing else. They were among the best educated people of their day! This is why it seems clearer in our time to convey their meaning by using the expression prima scriptura. The unique role of scripture resides in its overriding priority, not in its supposed exclusiveness.
Then he goes on to mention theological works dictionaries, lexicons and such be used to aid in our understanding of what is written in the Bible not add things that are not there.

Kind of amiss as to why Brian thought to use that article to support the Catholic practice to add Doctrine that is not supported by the Holy Writ.

Such as praying to Mary and other dead people that they call Saints. Thinking As if they know And can judge as God.
There are a very large number of Catholic and Orthodox teachings which DO NOT line up with Scripture. They should have been rejected out of hand a long time ago. Instead they were retained and made into dogma
Amen!
 

Jackson123

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News flash #1: When "God" is translated into Arabic, it is "Allah." When Arabic Christians pray to God, they pray to "Allah." When "God" is translated into French, it is "Dieu." When "God" is translated into Spanish, it is "Dios." When "God" is translated into Icelandic, it is "Guð." Are you suggesting these countries are not worshipping God because the word is different from English?

News flash #2: You wrote -- "If Catholic follow His teaching than it is specifically mean only pray to Jesus." If Catholics pray to God, then that is unacceptable? They should be praying to Jesus. I hate to burst your insular little bubble, but Jesus is God. He is part of the triune God made up of God, the Father, Jesus, the Son of God, and God, the Holy Spirit.

News flash #3: Catholics are also Christians. They worship only God. And they accept Jesus in their hearts as the Saviour.

1. In lumengentium, state that catholic believe Muslim God is the same with catholic God.

Christian God is not Muslim God, so catholic is not Christian.

2. Jesus is God, so pray to Jesus = pray to God, It's mean pray to God is accept able, not to Mary or Peter

3. Catholic is not Christian because Christian Jesus is not Muslim God, but according to lumengentium, Muslim God is also Catholic God, so Catholic Jesus is not Christian Jesus
 

Jackson123

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Angela53510:

"So, is Mary God? Or is she a person?" Mary is not a god. Nor is she "just" a person.

"Mary, even if she was magically “assumed” into heaven, she does not have the ability to hear, let alone take all those millions of daily requests to God."

People who die in a state of grace in God's eyes are assumed to be brought into His presence for eternity. Please provide your evidence (that means biblical or theological documentation -- with citations) to support your assertion: "she does not have the ability to hear, let alone take all those millions of daily requests to God." A theological reference would necessarily be from an individual accepted by the academic theological or prominent religious community as possessing the necessary accreditation to examine thoroughly such arguments. This does not include someone who posts on a blog or Youtube unless they, too, possess academic accreditation. My arguments, with biblical and theological references support the opposite view. Your turn to demonstrate that your assertions are not merely a projection of your personal biases on a matter of theology.
Provide your evidence to support that statement.

You also wrote: "This is the essence of why Mariology is a lie from the devil, enslaving millions of people in a system where prayers are not properly sent to God, but a mere person, with no ability to hear or answer prayers."

Angela, You and I are "mere" persons. But Mary, most certainly, is not. The angel Gabriel at the moment of the annunciation salutes her as "full of grace." Luke 1:28-30 (KJV): "(28) And the angel came in unto her [Mary], and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured [full of grace], the Lord is with thee: blessed [blest] art thou among women. … (30) And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God." How could Mary be "full of grace" prior to Christ's death on the cross? To become the mother of the Saviour, Mary was enriched by God with gifts appropriate to such a role. According to the Catholic Catechism, The "splendour of an entirely unique holiness" by which Mary is "enriched from the first instant of her conception" comes wholly from Christ: she is "redeemed, in a more exalted fashion, by reason of the merits of her Son." The Father blessed Mary more than any other created person "in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places" and chose her "in Christ before the foundation of the world, to be holy and blameless before Him in love." All people were born in sin. But only one person -- in His infinite wisdom, His infinite love, and His infinite power -- could make the vessel chosen to give birth to His only Son free from sin from conception, and therefore worthy to bear that Son.

I dare say that neither you nor I, as "mere" persons, has ever had the Archangel Gabriel, God's messenger, tell us that we are "full of grace."

You also wrote: "Or, some ridiculous system where people cannot pray to God for their requests and needs, and end up praying to someone with no power, no ability to answer prayer, and indeed who keeps them away from the real God."

The Catholic Church specifically teaches that God alone is worthy of worship. However, there are those among us who, because of their heroic virtue, are deserving of acclaim and honour. There are three degrees of religious respect in Roman Catholic theology. They go by specific names: Latria, Dulia, and Hyperdulia. [Dr. E.A. Livingstone (ed), Oxford Concise Dictionary of the Christian Church, (2013, Oxford University Press, Oxford, UK), pp. 174, 274, & 328]. Thomas Aquinas [Summa Theologiae, Part II-II (Secunda Secundae Partis), 103:3 -- at the Guttenberg Library] bases the distinction on the difference between God's supreme dominion and that which one man may exercise over another.

Latria is worship. It is the worship that is due only to God. Dulia is not worship. It is honour or veneration. Dulia is what is given to the saints -- they are given the honour that is due to them. As part of this, people ask them for things, primarily for their intervention on our behalf before God. It can be compared to a mere person asking a lawyer to speak on his or her behalf before the court and the judge.

Hyperdulia (to put it simply, lots and lots of dulia) is the honour given to Mary because she is unique among all God’s creation. She is the only created being who was honoured by God so greatly that his Son took his flesh from her. She has a totally unique place of honour in Heaven and therefore also among all of God’s people on earth. The honour given her, therefore, and the dulia she is given is higher than any other being. But it is not latria. The Catholic Church is very clear about that: Catholics do not worship Mary. Repeat after me: "Catholics do not worship Mary." They pray to her to ask her to intercede before God on their behalf. And they do so because of her status, not as a "mere person," but as the mother of Jesus, and because God granted her the status of being full of grace.

Pope John Paul II used the title "Mediatrix" several times, and in his encyclical Redemptoris Mater, he wrote: "The maternal role of Mary towards people in no way obscures or diminishes the unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power: it is mediation in Christ. ... Mary's mediation is intimately linked with her motherhood. ... Through this fullness of grace and supernatural life she was especially predisposed to cooperation with Christ, the one Mediator of human salvation. And such cooperation is precisely this mediation subordinated to the mediation of Christ." This is not blasphemy since the status of Mary as intervenor is clearly subordinate to both Jesus and the Father -- not a joint- or co- anything. [Papal Encyclical of 25 March 1987].

There is nothing in the Catechism of the Catholic Church that says people cannot pray directly to God. The best example of that is the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:9-13), said by Protestants and Catholics alike. Surely you must of heard of it. This should be understood clearly: the hyperdulia and dulia given by Catholics to Mary and the saints is ultimately honour given to God -- not for who they are, but for who God made them to be. This directing prayers of intercession to Mary and the saints, of course, does not preclude anyone from praying directly to God. [Catholic Encyclopedia]

"This is the essence of why Mariology is a lie from the devil." There is no "Mariology" in the Catholic Church for the reasons I've outlined above. If you are unable to understand the reasoning and accept the evidence presented, that is not my fault. I acknowledge the Catholic Church has committed some horrendous acts in its history, and that is strongly supported by historical evidence. But personal biases and distorting facts to suit the laughable assertion of Mariology is beyond the pale.
you admit that Mary not able to hear billion catholic pray to her, why pope pray to her?

Pope believe Mary protect him, do you share his believe?

how Mary soul able to protect Pope? She is human, not God.

you say Mary is Holy, the bible say the Wage of sin is dead, that us why we are mortal and die like mary

If Mary not a sinner, she never been punish and never die. The fact that Mary also suffer the Wage of sin, prove that she was a sinner like us.

so catholic have totally different teaching with bible

1. Catholic God is the same with muslim God, while Christian God is not Muslim God.

2. Catholic teach Mary is sinless, while Christian bible teach every body is a siner
 

JaumeJ

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If I criticize teh RCC on specifics, do not jump to the conclusion I believe all members of the RCC are lost.......God promises to call all of His children out of the Great Whore in the last days.......for me this includes all of her daughters too.
 

Jackson123

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God is worshipped in Spirit and in Truth.

We are to love Catholics but love the truth more.

For the cause of Christ
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To love mean to tell them that they religion (catholic) led them to hell.

If you love your blind son and know he walk toward ravine, you Will be Frank to tell him that he is misguided, he may angry and offended but that is the Risk of loving. Jesus take a Risk of loving and die oN the cross, we may not die because of love AS Jesus did, but at least we have to make our Selvi Avi able to be vilified because of love.
 

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1. In lumengentium, state that catholic believe Muslim God is the same with catholic God.

Christian God is not Muslim God, so catholic is not Christian.

2. Jesus is God, so pray to Jesus = pray to God, It's mean pray to God is accept able, not to Mary or Peter

3. Catholic is not Christian because Christian Jesus is not Muslim God, but according to lumengentium, Muslim God is also Catholic God, so Catholic Jesus is not Christian Jesus
Then let me ask 'who is the christian Jesus' who was introduced by the RC church 2000 years ago and everybody worships today ? Is it not the same Jesus who they claim resurrected on sunday ?
 
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Roman Cholithisam is not only EVIL IT IS DEMONIC!!!! I have been told by many Christians there are christian choliths, so I give it the benefit of the doubt but if someone says a Hail Mary they are NOT CHRISTIAN TO ME; THANK G-D I CAN NOT JUDGE PEOPLE'S SALVATION... I WOULD CAST THEM INTO HELL!
mcubed --

Please review: Matthew 7:12, Proverbs 22:9, Matthew 19:21, Galatians 2:10, Galatians 5:14, Luke 6:31, Mark 12:31, and Romans 13:8-9.

Ands then could you please explain to me how Catholic Charities USA (CCUSA), an organization listed by Forbes magazine as the fifth-largest charity in the U.S. with 3.2-billion in annual charitable spending serving 46-million people each year, regardless of their religious, social, or economic backgrounds, in such areas as providing basic needs to individuals, advocacy to address systemic poverty, housing, health care, and disaster relief -- is demonic?
 

garee

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The Rosary is a prime example of a different Gospel , a different Jesus Christ , a different God.

God Word is very clear , on thee true , procedure to meet with Him in prayers.

Ephesians 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Thee him in Ephesians 2:18 is Jesus Christ the Lord.Satan has deceived , many onto a road that is wide that leads to destruction , it is best to test all things with The Word of God. Thee Roman Catholic church creeds , enciclica and traditions have nothing to do with the God of Abraham Issac & Jacob.

This is being shared to you with love ...

Shalom
They use many unauthorized private forms to go above that which is written in order to take away the authority of the Holy anointing Spirit of God, Christ, as it is written is the one source of Christian faith with the word it representing that faith that comes from hearing God unseen. It makes the devil flee when he tries to introduce one. The word three is used throughout the scriptures to indicate the end of a matter Three strikes and he flees, It is the dangerous false doctrine that some call an out of body experience or near death experience as evidence of the wrong spirit, who was bringing his lies in .Jesus not moving one inch .

We defend it as it defends us.

And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Jesus said unto him,It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels cameand ministered unto him. Mathew 4

 

garee

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Calling brother and sisters in Christ evil is a bad thing to do. It is over the top wrong. The Catholic Church adheres to the Apostles Creed. Therefore meet the doctrinal statement of who is and isn't a Christian I have many disagreements with Catholicism but they are still fellow Christians. It is horrid to label them evil!!!
Evil is what evil does. They are not evil only the evil one is. They simply follows that which is evil when they go above that which is written... the one source of Christian faith. It is all things written in the law and the prophets as that which they make to no effect by the doctrines as oral traditions of men. We love them by sharing the gospel .They follow another gospel, another Christ called the Pope or what the scriptures calls daysman, which is a fleshly as that seen infallible mediator between God not seen and man seen, as if God was a fleshly man as us to begin with .
 

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Roman Cholithisam is not only EVIL IT IS DEMONIC!!!! I have been told by many Christians there are christian choliths, so I give it the benefit of the doubt but if someone says a Hail Mary they are NOT CHRISTIAN TO ME; THANK G-D I CAN NOT JUDGE PEOPLE'S SALVATION... I WOULD CAST THEM INTO HELL!
Hail Mary is a quote from the Bible when an angel told her she was pregnant with Jesus.
 

garee

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Hail Mary is a quote from the Bible when an angel told her she was pregnant with Jesus.
Hello is a common greeting that the father of lies has tried to turn upside down to try an make it about worshipping the things seen, the corrupted flesh of Mary as if it could profit walking by sight.
 

Jackson123

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Then let me ask 'who is the christian Jesus' who was introduced by the RC church 2000 years ago and everybody worships today ? Is it not the same Jesus who they claim resurrected on sunday ?
to identity real Jesus one must test the teaching. Jesus say by the fruit you judge the tree.

Real Jesus never teach people to pray to Mary or Peter. Real Jesus never teach inquisition, brutally killing, etc
 

Jackson123

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mcubed --

Please review: Matthew 7:12, Proverbs 22:9, Matthew 19:21, Galatians 2:10, Galatians 5:14, Luke 6:31, Mark 12:31, and Romans 13:8-9.

Ands then could you please explain to me how Catholic Charities USA (CCUSA), an organization listed by Forbes magazine as the fifth-largest charity in the U.S. with 3.2-billion in annual charitable spending serving 46-million people each year, regardless of their religious, social, or economic backgrounds, in such areas as providing basic needs to individuals, advocacy to address systemic poverty, housing, health care, and disaster relief -- is demonic?
In my country, Buddhis help a Lot of poor, a years ago Jakarta governor give them appreciation for their assistance to the poor. Some time demonic with helping the poor.
 

Adstar

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So disheartening to see so many people do not think catholicism is evil.. Anything that draws people away from the Love of the truth which is the Gospel message is evil and catholicism leads people to w works salvation religion and away from salvation by the graceful Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ..

But i guess we are nearing the end, so many are falling away from the truth and being given over to all kinds of deceptions..
 

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In my country, Buddhis help a Lot of poor, a years ago Jakarta governor give them appreciation for their assistance to the poor. Some time demonic with helping the poor.
Helping the poor itself may not be demonic. But teaching people that they can earn their way to heaven with good deeds is demonic, since the Gospel says otherwise.
 

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bronze medal commemorating the slaughter of 3.000 hugenots in Paris at night on St. Bartholomew's Day (August 23-24) in 1572. Obv: ''GREGORIUS XIII PONT. MAX. AN. I'' ('' Pope Gregory XIII " )

If thee bishop/pope of thee , Roman Catholic Church would issue a edict in this present time as in times past , against those who would not bow to the decrees of the church authorities . How many of those individuals who voted no , its not evil , would stand against such evil if it was there friends,family members being lead to the slaughter

Shalom
 

beta

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to identity real Jesus one must test the teaching. Jesus say by the fruit you judge the tree.

Real Jesus never teach people to pray to Mary or Peter. Real Jesus never teach inquisition, brutally killing, etc
All christians worship the same jesus as RCC, the one who resurrected on sunday...for christians there is not another Jesus. ONE resurrected on sunday..not two.