Is that the power of Holy Spirit?

[eph610]

I have also been in meetings where, sadly, push does come to shove

I also hate it when some brother dude be pushing on your head like he is pushing open a door...I stopped a very well known public charismaniac Evangelist that was doing that to me and loudly and boldly told him, look , nobody drops this man, but the Holy Ghost...he continued down the line and got at least 50 it not 100 courtesy drops.....


I also detest courtesy drops when I preach in churches or doing ministry in general....In fact, I go so tired of them I asked the Holy Ghost to show me who to pray for and skip on prayer lines.....

 

[miknik5]

I ONLY pray to God

so, yeah

You were discussing tongues and we were discussing things done in the body before the eyes of believers and unbelievers

the OP was talking about visible things supposedly from
the HOLY SPIRIT. You mentioned tongues. I mentioned that if there is no one to interpret what is being said it is between you and YHE LORD
Now you switched to personal prayer as if this is what we were initially discussing
it wasnt


we weren't talking about you personally praying to GOD. I don't remember how we switched to this as being what we were discussing initially

 

[Blain]

Several pastors I know have told me that is the one word they wish no one had ever taught their congregations. They relate that everyone and his dog is certain they can "discern" just about anything and everything from a to z.

The (gift) of discernment being a gift depends. There is the discernment we human have and gain and learn through time experience and growth however we discern things in a human and worldly manner. When upon bearing his mark though he gives us a different kind of discernment a different way of seeing understanding and discerning things. in this case it is in fact a gift he gives as it's not the kind of discernment that one naturally obtains. There are the nine gifts of the spirit but these are not the only gifts of the spirit that exist discernment from the holy spirit is like a sub gift just as wisdom is freely given and just as patience and the fruits of the spirit are given and thus gifts form God so is discernment.

The discernment given from God is not just for seeing and discerning spirits but is also for understanding the scripture for seeing things through his eyes in both ourselves and others it is used to know which path to take as a believer in every choice we make big or small it used for nearly everything

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

nope


just making sure other people don't think the Holy Spirit is actually the coiled snake waiting to be awakened

Right.well from personal experience I know that what the OP is talking is not from the Holy Spirit.
Dancing,singing,praising God,talking in tongues does come from the Holy Spirit.

Wailing around,making weird animal noises edifies God in no way.I've been underneath the churches and seen this with my own eyes,while the ones above the same church has no idea what is going on below their feet.

I suppose you believe I'm against the true church also.

 

[Chester]

I believe that the Holy Spirit could do anything He desires with and upon a person. He might know that person needs to let go and laugh - or let go and not be able to stand. There might be inner healing done at that time. One of the messages of the gospel is healing and manifesting the presence of God with us. The Holy Spirit is far beyond our understanding of how he will always work. I agree with the posting that mentioned the danger of judging what your eyes see or your ears hear.

You can only discern rightly when you, yourself, have an experience.

Personally, I welcome whatever He chooses to give me. I trust his ways are far above my ways. If he desires, he can gently knock me off my feet and by doing so maybe knock the pride out of me. Or he can cause my heart and soul to so fill with joy that for the first time in my life I can actually know what joy really feels like as the laughter rises up in me not to be quenched. Or he can show me how God's glory has such weight that I find my flesh shaking under it.

Come, Holy Spirit. Every time you have touched me, I have felt even more of the love of Jesus for me. How could I not want everything you could give?

I myself am very wary of some of these sorts of manifestations - laughter, slain-in-the-Spirit, etc.

But, I like this post of Joidevivre - Why? Because it is personal and real - it doesn't try to say that if it doesn't happen to you this way you are not a spiritual person.

I think that Satan is doing a lot of imitations and false representations of the Spirit, but that does negate true manifestations of the Spirit - but all must be done in a decent way and according to Scripture.

I would say to be very careful though, about the idea that "You can only discern rightly when you, yourself, have an experience." Experience is not the basis for discernment of truth.

 

[ArtsieSteph]

Hilariously I've heard of that laughing in the spirit thing! And it wasn't like maniacle cackling or scream laughing, it was like a good hearted, rolling around and having fun laugh. It was like there was a prayer meeting, a guy talking about what they had heard about, and then started laughing. I think like probably a "I'm crying because of all the mercy of God and so happy I am his despite all my junk." After a while everyone else started laughing, it was at someone's house so like he rolled on the floor and came up with dust bunnies all on him, and that got everyone laughing at that.


Honestly I've cried tears of joy and started chuckling before when having that kind of prayer time. Like...how do I describe.... Crying because I am so messed up, but smiling and laughing because He loves me anyway and I by no means deserve it. Grateful years I guess??

 

[eph610]

Several pastors I know have told me that is the one word they wish no one had ever taught their congregations. They relate that everyone and his dog is certain they can "discern" just about anything and everything from a to z.

Preach it brother Willie, I try to avoid using that term whenever I can...it has been so misapplied....

I don't win points with people for doing this, but usually when someone new comes to our church and tell me....I want you to know I operate in the gift of discernment......I usually tell them you do not operate in the gift of discernment you engage in the practice of judgement.....

They usually get upset, but then I teach them on the spot there is no gift of discernment.....they usually never come back....

 

[kaylagrl]

I also hate it when some brother dude be pushing on your head like he is pushing open a door...I stopped a very well known public charismaniac Evangelist that was doing that to me and loudly and boldly told him, look , nobody drops this man, but the Holy Ghost...he continued down the line and got at least 50 it not 100 courtesy drops.....


I also detest courtesy drops when I preach in churches or doing ministry in general....In fact, I go so tired of them I asked the Holy Ghost to show me who to pray for and skip on prayer lines.....

Ive had people try to push me, but not very hard. They give up pretty quickly when they see the look on my face. I shall not be moved.lol But a genuine move of the Spirit is another thing all together. I was in a service where a young man was moved by the Spirit to quietly pray for people during worship. People began falling down and the pastor was unable to preach. It was quiet except for people praying and crying. Its very easy to tell the flesh from the Spirit.

 

[miknik5]

I also hate it when some brother dude be pushing on your head like he is pushing open a door...I stopped a very well known public charismaniac Evangelist that was doing that to me and loudly and boldly told him, look , nobody drops this man, but the Holy Ghost...he continued down the line and got at least 50 it not 100 courtesy drops.....


I also detest courtesy drops when I preach in churches or doing ministry in general....In fact, I go so tired of them I asked the Holy Ghost to show me who to pray for and skip on prayer lines.....

What does this mean?
courtesy drops?
what?
what is trying to be communicated here?

 

[eph610]

I would say to be very careful though, about the idea that "You can only discern rightly when you, yourself, have an experience." Experience is not the basis for discernment of truth.

Neither is putting the Holy Ghost in a box out of fear he is Satan....

One of the largest issues we face in the church today is that people are not taught correctly about the person of the Holy Ghost and his ministry. This is because we have many behind pulpits today that do not know the voice of the Shepherd or even believe he still speaks to us today....

 

[Blain]

Hilariously I've heard of that laughing in the spirit thing! And it wasn't like maniacle cackling or scream laughing, it was like a good hearted, rolling around and having fun laugh. It was like there was a prayer meeting, a guy talking about what they had heard about, and then started laughing. I think like probably a "I'm crying because of all the mercy of God and so happy I am his despite all my junk." After a while everyone else started laughing, it was at someone's house so like he rolled on the floor and came up with dust bunnies all on him, and that got everyone laughing at that.


Honestly I've cried tears of joy and started chuckling before when having that kind of prayer time. Like...how do I describe.... Crying because I am so messed up, but smiling and laughing because He loves me anyway and I by no means deserve it. Grateful years I guess??

you see that kind of experience I know is from God and i hope one day I can experience that as well, in fact i went to a church once and what I saw brought me to tears. I saw something i have never seen before in church, I saw all these people praising and worshiping God with such life such joy it wasn't just their voices or their singing I saw it in their body I saw the energy and life they had simply in worshiping and thanking and praising his name some where even bawling while they were praising him and I could clearly feel the holy spirit blowing through the building.

When I saw this I was brought to tears as it was one of the most beautiful things I had ever seen I could only imagine the tears that were coming from fathers eyes that day

 

[Willie-T]

Preach it brother Willie, I try to avoid using that term whenever I can...it has been so misapplied....

I don't win points with people for doing this, but usually when someone new comes to our church and tell me....I want you to know I operate in the gift of discernment......I usually tell them you do not operate in the gift of discernment you engage in the practice of judgement.....They usually get upset, but then I teach them on the spot there is no gift of discernment.....they usually never come back....

I think you nailed it right on the head.

 

[Willie-T]

What does this mean?
courtesy drops?
what?
what is trying to be communicated here?

It really means just what it sounds like it does.

 

[LaurenTM]

Then explain this to me...

We were ministering in a Prison service and after the music stopped, the Holy Ghost was in the room. No music was playing, nobody was saying anything, just 180 people worshiping God in spirit and in truth.....

Without anyone touching them, people begin to fall as they stood, straight down on their knees, some fell face forward, some fell on their backs or to the side, but there was not one broken bone, no busted lips, no blood, no broken teeth, no head injuries nothing....the ones that fell would get back up and you knew they had some face time with the Holy Ghost...and strictly on his terms...I saw people who fell in ways that if they had fallen that way naturally, it would have broken legs, ankles, backs, knees, hips, pelvis, arms and even necks...yet we had nothing like that happen....many times people that fall out like this stand back up and are radically healed of diseases and cured of illness like Hep C, sexually transmitted, heart disease, thyroid problems, etc....We always get a report from the infirmary doctors they go to and we encourage them to go see the DR's to get the tests ran that proves they were healed. We have confirmations of 2 people that were born blind, recovering their sight...this is in addition to the emotional healings, etc...

This is the rule in our services and not our exception...we had a visiting Evangelist and his wife with us during one such service and they both said they have never experienced a move of the Spirit like that...ever. He asked me why the ministers that come in with us never went to pray with people or bother them during this quiet time of worship...

I told him I was trained to discern when the Holy Ghost wanted to be free to move and touch who he needs to and that the Holy Ghost can do more in persons life, than any minister of the Gospel could ever, so I trained our ministers the same way....

We had another Pastor and his wife that was visiting with us tell us they also experienced the same things when they were on the missions field....

If you don't believe in the ministry of the Holy Ghost...it is doubtful you will ever experience the ministry of the Holy Ghost...

good stuff! (I'm sure there is a better way to say it, but you know what I mean)

one of the biggest problems is leadership not being sensitive and they just blunder along and do not let God be God

I prob sound judgmental a bit by now in this thread, but I've seen plenty too

as a worship leader, you can feel what is going and how people are receiving or not...it's awesome but a major responsibility...but I did not call myself to that and it was the farthest thing from my mind...my personality is actually a shy person who just wants to kind of hide in the back...haha...that's not me anymore

however, I have not had the privilege for some time now...personal choice..but I know well what you speak of

and AMEN to that!

 

[eph610]

good stuff! (I'm sure there is a better way to say it, but you know what I mean)

one of the biggest problems is leadership not being sensitive and they just blunder along and do not let God be God

I prob sound judgmental a bit by now in this thread, but I've seen plenty too

as a worship leader, you can feel what is going and how people are receiving or not...it's awesome but a major responsibility...but I did not call myself to that and it was the farthest thing from my mind...my personality is actually a shy person who just wants to kind of hide in the back...haha...that's not me anymore

however, I have not had the privilege for some time now...personal choice..but I know well what you speak of

and AMEN to that!

I am so very grateful for the men and women of God who imparted into me/us and still do. We have accountability partners that have the right to speak into me and my wife life about anything and everything......I was/am blessed to some very powerful men and women of God steering us through this thing...I am also grateful to my parents, who laid their hands, on me and my brother every day and prayed over us...Oh to feel my Dad's hands on my head.....nuff said....

PS: My Daughter is now a young adult and will not leave the house until we lay hands on her and pray over her....

 

[LaurenTM]

I also hate it when some brother dude be pushing on your head like he is pushing open a door...I stopped a very well known public charismaniac Evangelist that was doing that to me and loudly and boldly told him, look , nobody drops this man, but the Holy Ghost...he continued down the line and got at least 50 it not 100 courtesy drops.....


I also detest courtesy drops when I preach in churches or doing ministry in general....In fact, I go so tired of them I asked the Holy Ghost to show me who to pray for and skip on prayer lines.....

LOL!...oh yeah

sounds like we were in some of the same meetings

courtesy drops....ahahaha

 

[LaurenTM]

You were discussing tongues and we were discussing things done in the body before the eyes of believers and unbelievers

the OP was talking about visible things supposedly from
the HOLY SPIRIT. You mentioned tongues. I mentioned that if there is no one to interpret what is being said it is between you and YHE LORD
Now you switched to personal prayer as if this is what we were initially discussing
it wasnt


we weren't talking about you personally praying to GOD. I don't remember how we switched to this as being what we were discussing initially

man

can you not let ANYTHING go?

first Willie and now me

give it a rest bro...it's all good...I think we agree...no worries

 

[eph610]

LOL!...oh yeah

sounds like we were in some of the same meetings

courtesy drops....ahahaha

One of my best friends and fellow warriors in the faith, had a group of people fall out before he got to them....I swear....it was all flesh...he just looked at me and my wife and his wife and we left...the pastor was like...hey you can't do that and we were like...yeah we can and we just did....

 

[LaurenTM]

Right.well from personal experience I know that what the OP is talking is not from the Holy Spirit.
Dancing,singing,praising God,talking in tongues does come from the Holy Spirit.

Wailing around,making weird animal noises edifies God in no way.I've been underneath the churches and seen this with my own eyes,while the ones above the same church has no idea what is going on below their feet.

I suppose you believe I'm against the true church also.

hey...no argument about false and demonic manifestations from this girl

but don't quit your day job just yet...you don't know what I believe and trying to tell me what I believe, ain't gonna fly



ps...I'll match your horror stories and see you five more...

 

[LaurenTM]

Hilariously I've heard of that laughing in the spirit thing! And it wasn't like maniacle cackling or scream laughing, it was like a good hearted, rolling around and having fun laugh. It was like there was a prayer meeting, a guy talking about what they had heard about, and then started laughing. I think like probably a "I'm crying because of all the mercy of God and so happy I am his despite all my junk." After a while everyone else started laughing, it was at someone's house so like he rolled on the floor and came up with dust bunnies all on him, and that got everyone laughing at that.


Honestly I've cried tears of joy and started chuckling before when having that kind of prayer time. Like...how do I describe.... Crying because I am so messed up, but smiling and laughing because He loves me anyway and I by no means deserve it. Grateful years I guess??

I'm reserved by nature...but my new nature is not so reserved

good stuff!