Is the “day of Christ” the day of the Rapture?

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Nehemiah6

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But Paul said Second Coming because Paul DOESN'T BELIEVE IN A PRE-TRIB RAPTURE!!
You have not paid very close attention to all the epistles of Paul. Paul had always taught a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. Here is one example: So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Cor 1:7,8)

Paul was commending the Corinthians in the first century that they were waiting for the "coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"! And what else would this coming be other than the Rapture on "the day of Christ"? Do you see any reference to a Tribulation? If not then you should abandon your hopeless belief.
 

The_Watchers_2017

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You have not paid very close attention to all the epistles of Paul. Paul had always taught a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. Here is one example: So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Cor 1:7,8)

Paul was commending the Corinthians in the first century that they were waiting for the "coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"! And what else would this coming be other than the Rapture on "the day of Christ"? Do you see any reference to a Tribulation? If not then you should abandon your hopeless belief.
No, you have interpreted that Paul taught a Pre-Trib Rapture.

But the fact he's telling Timothy to keep Faithful until the Second Coming, which if there was an literal Pre-Trib Rapture, Timothy would qualify for. But instead, he tells Timothy to remain faithful until the Second Coming, which happens after the make believe Pre-Trib Rapture.

Paul doesn't mince words and tells it directly from point A to B. And he said be faithful to the SECOND Coming, not a fictitious Pre-Trib Rapture.
 

Nehemiah6

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Paul doesn't mince words and tells it directly from point A to B. And he said be faithful to the SECOND Coming, not a fictitious Pre-Trib Rapture.
It appears that you do not really understand the difference between the Resurrection/Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ. But you are not alone. There are quite a few who are so confused about these fundamental doctrines that it is really quite amazing. How can the Pre-Tribulation Rapture be "fictitious" when Christ and the apostles taught it as a certainty?
 

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You have not paid very close attention to all the epistles of Paul. Paul had always taught a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. Here is one example: So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Cor 1:7,8)

Paul was commending the Corinthians in the first century that they were waiting for the "coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"! And what else would this coming be other than the Rapture on "the day of Christ"? Do you see any reference to a Tribulation? If not then you should abandon your hopeless belief.
You're twisting of Scripture knows no bounds! 2Peter 3v16

The Lord Jesus said that in the last days it would be only false prophets/teachers who would teach a secret pre-tribulation advent and rapture, and that when He comes, He will come with great power and glory and every eye will see Him, immediately after the Great Tribulation! Matt 24v4,23-31, Rev 1v7.

As regards your approach in saying that the day of the Lord is somehow different from the day of Christ just illustrates your perverseness even further!

The day of the Lord, 2Peter 3v10
The day of the Lord Jesus, 1Cor 5v5
The day of Christ, Phil 1v10
The day of God, 2Peter 3v12

The Day is ONE day, not multiple days!

It is the Day that the Lord Jesus comes to earth to destroy the wicked, take His people home (and judge them) and set up the Millennium Kingdom, IMMEDIATELY after the Great Tribulation at the 7th (last) Trumpet. Rev11v15-19, 1Cor 15v50-55 (with Isaiah 25v6-9), Matt 24v29-31.

Paul delivered Hymenaeus, Alexander and Philetus over to Satan for execution because they taught wrong doctrine on the Second Coming of Christ, thus over-throwing the faith of some believers, do you think that the Lord will think any differently about you (and others like you), when you teach destructive heresy that will in due course over-throw Christian's faith in these last days? 1Tim 1v19,20, 2Tim 2v16-18, Matt 24v45-25v13.

I think not!
 

Nehemiah6

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As regards your approach in saying that the day of the Lord is somehow different from the day of Christ just illustrates your perverseness even further!
Before you go making false accusations and slandering others, you had better take the time to study Scripture properly. So to refute and debunk your false claim above, here is what the Bible reveals: The day of the LORD shall come “as a destruction from the Almighty”.

That is exactly what is written in Isaiah 13:6: Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

“The day of the LORD” is a “technical” term in that it is applied to a very specific period of time in the future, and it is all about destruction and damnation. It is meant to be a warning to sinners to repent BEFORE the day of the LORD.

What is written in the 13th chapter of Isaiah would have a double application, since some of the events have never occurred as yet. So Isaiah 13:3-13 is an excellent description of the day of the LORD. However, this exact term is found in twenty passages of Scripture (which should all be checked out and studied).

GOD’S MIGHTY ANGELS WILL BE SUMMONED
3 I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness.

ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE GATHERED TOGETHER
4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.

THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WILL COME IN HIS WRATH (as opposed to the Rapture)
5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

THIS WILL BE A PERIOD OF SEVERE DIVINE JUDGMENTS
6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

THERE WILL BE UNIVERSAL FEAR AND TREMBLING
7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt: 8And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.

THERE WILL BE WRATH AND FIERCE ANGER AGAINST THE WICKED
9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

THERE WILL BE CATALCYSMIC COSMIC EVENTS IN THE HEAVENS
10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.


THE WORLD WILL BE PUNISHED FOR ALL ITS EVIL
11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

SURVIVAL OF THIS DESTRUCTION WILL BE RARE
12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.

THE EARTH SHALL BE REMOVED OUT OF HER PLACE
13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

Now compare and contrast the Day of Christ (which is the day of the Rapture) with this. And kindly stop your foolish attacks on the truth.
 

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You have not paid very close attention to all the epistles of Paul. Paul had always taught a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. Here is one example: So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Cor 1:7,8)

Paul was commending the Corinthians in the first century that they were waiting for the "coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"! And what else would this coming be other than the Rapture on "the day of Christ"? Do you see any reference to a Tribulation? If not then you should abandon your hopeless belief.
This verse says nothing of rapture ... pre mid or post.
 

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There are two significant days mentioned in the Bible -- “the day of the LORD” and “the day of Christ” (also called “the day of Jesus Christ” or “the day of our Lord Jesus Christ”).

Since “the day of the LORD” is clearly a period of divine judgment revealed in the Old Testament, it should not be confused with “the day of Christ” (found only in the New Testament). Unfortunately the King James Bible called “the day of the Lord” the day of Christ in 2 Thessalonians 2:2, which totally skews the meaning of that passage. Almost all the other translations have “the day o the Lord” which is correct.

We know from other Scriptures that the Resurrection/Rapture of the saints will occur on a specific day (which is still in the future). Now we will see that “the day of Christ” relates to that event in the verses shown below:

THE DAY OF CHRIST APPLIES TO CHRISTIAN READINESS
That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ (Phil 1:10)

THERE WILL BE REJOICING ON THE DAY OF CHRIST
Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain. (Phil 2:16)

CHRISTIANS ARE TO BE BLAMELESS ON THE DAY OF CHRIST
So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.(1 Cor 1:7,8)

Here the day of the Rapture (“the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ”) and “the day of Christ” are shown to be one and the same. Since the saints will be perfected and glorified on that day, they will then be “blameless”. But until then they are to be “sincere and without offence” and “holding forth the Word of Life”.

CHRISTIANS WILL BE PERFECTED ON THE DAY OF CHRIST
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: (Phil 1:6) This ties in with 1 John 3:1-3: Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

In view of all these passages it should be clear that every believer is required to purify himself or herself in preparation for the Rapture on the day of Christ. Paul seems to also imply that immediately after the Rapture, the event known as the Judgment Seat of Christ will take place. Here all the works of the saints will be assessed for their eternal value. Those which are precious will receive corresponding rewards or crowns. Those which are worthless will be "burned up".
The day of Christ isn't the same thing as the day of the Lord. The day of Christ is described as a day when Jesus returns and gathers his church to himself.

The coming of our Lord Jesus Christ = we are gathered to him = the day of Christ.

2 Thess. 2
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
 

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Before you go making false accusations and slandering others, you had better take the time to study Scripture properly. So to refute and debunk your false claim above, here is what the Bible reveals: The day of the LORD shall come “as a destruction from the Almighty”.
Is the kittle calling the pot black?
 
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I do agree that the Day of Christ and the Day of the Lord are 2 separate Events -----

The Scripture does verify that the Day Of Christ is to do with the Rapture of the Church ------
As I understand, The Day of Christ is referring to the hope of the believer's redemption and the Day of the LORD is referring to GOD's divine judgement.
Matt 24:29-31 seem to say this clearly.

I do not mean to contradict or stir up controversy, I am concerned that many will lose heart in the day they see tribulations unexpected coming upon this earth and their hearts will fail for fear. As they believed it was appointed to them to escape the tribulation and not understand that what is coming is to test and refine the saints, but those that do not know GOD will not be able to hide in Him.

Please read Ps.46
 
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there are no signs that need to happen for the Rapture to take place
What about what 2 Thess. 2:1-10? It states clearly that we will not be raptured until the Man of sin is revealed (vs.3), which is the anti-Christ spoken of by Daniel the prophet (Matt 24:15 and Dan 11:31 12:11-12) and by Jesus Christ sent by the Angel of the LORD to tell John the Apostle to tell us in the book of Revelation (Rev.1-3 and the whole chapter 13.)

I just want to remind the Saints what the Word actually says and encourage all to look into all things. This is The End and just as we have been warned that there would be deception, we need one another to keep us sharp in remembering what it says.
 
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Personally what you said both encourages me and makes me feel united in the faith
I feel the same about many of your posts, Thank you for sharing your walk and what the Lord is leading you in. It has been a real encouragement to me. May the LORD continue to fill you with His wisdom and peace by His Spirit and equip you fully to Stand in this evil day. Thank you again Brother.
 

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Matt 24:29-31 seem to say this clearly.
Matthew 24:29_31 is referring to after the Tribulation -------this is referring to the Second coming of Christ ------the Rapture of the Church is another event which takes place before the Tribulation begins ---
29 “Right after the trouble of those days, this will happen:

‘The sun will become dark,
and the moon will not give light.
The stars will fall from the sky,
and everything in the sky will be changed.’[c]

30 “Then there will be something in the sky that shows the Son of Man is coming. All the people of the world will cry. Everyone will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds in the sky. He will come with power and great glory.

31 He will use a loud trumpet to send his angels all around the earth. They will gather his chosen people from every part of the earth.

Verse 31 _--tells you that the angels are sent to collect the people who have received Jesus During the Tribulation ------this is the separating the Sheep from the Goats --------

Your Psalms 46 ----
Is in the Old Testament and Jesus has not come yet ---------so God the Father deals with the people in the Old Testament Himself -------and this Psalm is all about God's protective power and availability of it ------God can be a refuge for His Chosen -----that is how I see this Scripture ------

This has nothing to do with the Rapture before the tribulation ------

your quote here

What about what 2 Thess. 2:1-10? It states clearly that we will not be raptured until the Man of sin is revealed (vs.3), which is the anti-Christ spoken of by Daniel the prophet (Matt 24:15 and Dan 11:31 12:11-12) and by Jesus Christ sent by the Angel of the LORD to tell John the Apostle to tell us in the book of Revelation (Rev.1-3 and the whole chapter 13.)
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this is 2 Thess-----Pay attention to what it says here --------the 1st verse ------Notice the little word AND ---these are 2 separate EVENTS ------the rapture and the second coming -----the man of Lawlesnees has to be revealed ---Here is speaking of the tribulation period -------


2 Thessalonians 2 NIV

The Man of Lawlessness

2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ ---and -----our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,

2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.

3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.


In the Old Testament ----the Law was in place -----the Curse was always in place ---under the law ---because no human could keep the laws ----the Second Death was the only option for Israel

Jesus came and fulfilled the Law---so the Blessing could be in place ------Sin had to be dealt with as no Human could get into heaven with their Sin Nature ------So Jesus took all sin for all people ------Sin is no longer a issue ---Rejecting Jesus is the issue now ------also eternal Life had to be brought back as eternal death was in place for the Israelites -----So Jesus had to die and be resurrected so that He could defeate Eternal death -------and bring in Eternal LIFE -------

The Rapture that happens before the tribulation -----is now possible because of what Jesus did on the Cross ----that is the only thing that needed to happen before the Saints could be CAUGHT UP IN THE AIR to be with Jesus and be taken out of God's wrath ------

The saints are spared God's Wrath in the last Days ------that is what I believe ----just like many believe the Saints will be here for the tribulation --which makes no sense as it is God's last try to save as many people as possible -------Why would the saints have to go through the tribulation to be saved --when they are already Saved ------

And Jesus brings the Saints and His Angels upon His second Coming ------to do battle with Satan -----that is scriptural -----here see verse 13------the Saints have to be with Jesus to come with Him ---and it says ALL SAINTS ---not just some Saints -------


1 Thessalonians 3:6-13 ESV

Timothy's Encouraging Report
6 But now that Timothy has come to us from you, and has brought us the good news of your faith and love and reported that you always remember us kindly and long to see us, as we long to see you— 7 for this reason, brothers,[a] in all our distress and affliction we have been comforted about you through your faith. 8 For now we live, if you are standing fast in the Lord. 9 For what thanksgiving can we return to God for you, for all the joy that we feel for your sake before our God, 10 as we pray most earnestly night and day that we may see you face to face and supply what is lacking in your faith?
11 Now may our God and Father himself, and our Lord Jesus, direct our way to you, 12 and may the Lord make you increase and abound in love for one another and for all, as we do for you,

13 so that he may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all his saints.


Also there is this in Revelation ---verse 10 -----this is the obedient Church -------all the other Churches had issues of disobedience ------

10 Because you have kept the word of My endurance [My command to persevere], I will keep you [safe] from the hour of trial, that hour which is about to come on the whole [inhabited] world, to test those who live on the earth.

I say --------this is talking the Tribulation here ------that is God's Wrath that is coming on the Whole Earth



Revelation 3 -----AMP -----

Message to Philadelphia
7 “And to the angel (divine messenger) of the church in [a]Philadelphia write:

“These are the words of the Holy One, the True One, He who has the key [to the house] of David, He who opens and no one will [be able to] shut, and He who shuts and no one opens:

8 ‘I know your deeds. See, I have set before you an open door which no one is able to shut, for you have a little power, and have kept My word, and have not renounced or denied My name. 9 Take note, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—I will make them come and bow down at your feet and make them know [without any doubt] that I have loved you.

10 Because you have kept the word of My endurance [My command to persevere], I will keep you [safe] from the hour of trial, that hour which is about to come on the whole [inhabited] world, to test those who live on the earth.

11 I am coming quickly. Hold tight what you have, so that no one will take your crown [by leading you to renounce the faith]. 12 He who overcomes [the world through believing that Jesus is the Son of God], I will make him a [b]pillar in the temple of My God; he will most certainly never be put out of it, and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which descends out of heaven from My God, and My [own] new name. 13 He who has an ear, let him hear and heed what the Spirit says to the churches.’


Your Quote here

I just want to remind the Saints what the Word actually says and encourage all to look into all things
This is Good advice ----but you need to read the Context and research things because you are taking Scripture out of there context and getting the wrong message ---you need to read the whole passage so my advice to People is to read the Chapter in full and research what the scripture is actually saying ----

The passages your quoting are for the Second coming not the Rapture ------

And the day of Christ is talking about the Rapture ------

this is from Got Questions -----it might clear things for you

https://www.gotquestions.org/day-of-Christ.html

The day of Christ points to the time when our struggles end and victory over sin and death is no longer a promise, but a glorious reality. We believe the day of Christ begins at the rapture of the church and continues through the millennial reign.

The day of Christ is a time of lavish promises fulfilled and decisive victories achieved—a time when believers no longer walk by faith but by sight, for our enemies will be our Lord’s footstool (Psalm 110:1).
 

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But you are not alone. There are quite a few who are so confused about these fundamental doctrines that it is really quite amazing.
Correct, Many are still Totally Confused about the basics of "NO works" salvation,
baptism, and sign gifts (milk), so why not Also the deeper doctrines of end-times
eschatology, the (meat), eh?
 

The_Watchers_2017

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Correct, Many are still Totally Confused about the basics of "NO works" salvation,
baptism, and sign gifts (milk), so why not Also the deeper doctrines of end-times
eschatology, the (meat), eh?
Paul is BLATANT in his writing always correcting errors and false doctrines that it is literally impossible that he would not just say there's a Rapture before the Second Coming.

You are deceived and believe a lie.

There's nothing in Paul's writings that is confusing.

The only thing confusing is claiming there's a Pre-Trib Rapture when NO ONE claims that.
 

Nehemiah6

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it is literally impossible that he would not just say there's a Rapture before the Second Coming.
He did say it (1 Thess 5:9-11) but you expected a textbook statement, and that is not how Paul writes.

THE SECOND COMING BRINGS WRATH BUT NOT FOR BELIEVERS
For God hath not appointed us to wrath...

THE RAPTURE IS THE CULMINATION OF SALVATION
...but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ

THE RESURRECTION/RAPTURE BRINGS THE SAINTS TO CHRIST IN HEAVEN
Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

THE TRUTH OF THE RAPTURE IS FOR COMFORT AND EDIFICATION
Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

Now how much plainer can it get?
 

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He did say it (1 Thess 5:9-11) but you expected a textbook statement, and that is not how Paul writes.

THE SECOND COMING BRINGS WRATH BUT NOT FOR BELIEVERS
For God hath not appointed us to wrath...

THE RAPTURE IS THE CULMINATION OF SALVATION
...but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ

THE RESURRECTION/RAPTURE BRINGS THE SAINTS TO CHRIST IN HEAVEN
Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

THE TRUTH OF THE RAPTURE IS FOR COMFORT AND EDIFICATION
Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

Now how much plainer can it get?
All Paul is saying here is we will be resurrected and be with God.

There is NOTHING that plainly states a secret Rapture.

It's made up, make belief that you have created and believe in.
 

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The day of Christ isn't the same thing as the day of the Lord. The day of Christ is described as a day when Jesus returns and gathers his church to himself.

The coming of our Lord Jesus Christ = we are gathered to him = the day of Christ.

2 Thess. 2
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
The revelation of the man of sin is the Great Tribulation which is clearly taught in Matthew 24.
Falling away
Great Tribulation
Day of the Lord
 

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The revelation of the man of sin is the Great Tribulation which is clearly taught in Matthew 24.
Falling away
Great Tribulation
Day of the Lord
They occur in close proximity. In Matt 24 there’s the Day of the Lord described and the elect being gathered described. They aren’t the same things. :)