Is the Attraction Wrong or What we do with it?

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Dino246

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I suggest reading Matthew 5.
Jesus lists many things we normally would not think of as being sins. Things we probably do to some extent every single day.
We fundamentally disagree. No point in discussing it further.
 
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pjharrison

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Scripture knows nothing of a "man spirit" or a "woman spirit". There are mental illnesses, emotional disturbances, and demons. There is also the corrupt sin nature which manifests itself in all manner of sins.
The man spirit attracted to a man is a demon( a woman spirit)same with the woman.
There all demons. The demons are everywhere. They knew they were demons during new testament time. We have been deceived to think there are no demons just mental illness.
Luke 8:2 2and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out;
 
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theanointedsinner

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The man spirit attracted to a man is a demon( a woman spirit)same with the woman.
There all demons. The demons are everywhere. They knew they were demons during new testament time. We have been deceived to think there are no demons just mental illness.
Luke 8:2 2and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out;
Mary (called Magdalene) <-- how are you so sure Magdalene is Mary or Mary is Magdalene?
 
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pjharrison

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Mary (called Magdalene) <-- how are you so sure Magdalene is Mary or Mary is Magdalene?
Let me get it for you. Luke 8:2 2And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,
says it in the bible
 
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theanointedsinner

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Let me get it for you. Luke 8:2 2And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,
says it in the bible
okay
 

Dino246

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The man spirit attracted to a man is a demon( a woman spirit)same with the woman.
There all demons. The demons are everywhere. They knew they were demons during new testament time. We have been deceived to think there are no demons just mental illness.
Luke 8:2 2and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out;
Did I say there were no demons? No.
 
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pjharrison

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I'm sure you couldn't tell by looking at her.
Did I say there were no demons? No.
This is what you said. "There is also the corrupt sin nature which manifests itself in all manner of sins."
Ephesians 6:12, : For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places..
 

Deade

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Well it looks like we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one..
Lightbearer has a point, Satan is called the prince of the power of air, therefore he can transmit evil thoughts into our minds. They are called the fiery darts of the enemy in Ephesians. When those thoughts come into our heads we quench them with our faith. Then we tell the devil to get behind us. As long as we don't harbor and feed the lustful thoughts, there is no sin. :cool:
 

Zmouth

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In my opinion... And we are to bring every thought captive under the Word of G-d and crucify our flesh....
Reminds me of 2 Peter 2:18-19.

What is your opinion is the attraction wrong or what we do with it?
Having seen the questions asked before about the 'least commandments', a reference to Matthew 5:19,

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matt 5:19

I don't see same-relations, premarital sex or even prostitution amongst those in cited in Exodus 20 or Deuteronomy 5. However, adultery is cited in both;


Thou shalt not commit adultery. Ex 20:14
Neither shalt thou commit adultery. Deut 5:18

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.Matthew 5:28

31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.Matt 5:31-32

11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.Mark 10:11-12

7 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.Luke 16:17-18
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However, is physical attraction really the causation for adultery? Or for that matter same- sex relations, premarital sex or even prostitution? I don't think so. While they might play a role, it would be a superficial factor but there are deeper reasons that people do the things they do.
 
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theanointedsinner

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zmouth, how are you able to make this "spoiler thing"?
 

lightbearer

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I suggest reading Matthew 5.
Jesus lists many things we normally would not think of as being sins. Things we probably do to some extent every single day.
However That is not what you said. You implied that normal attraction is a sin. It is only a sin if we allow ourselves to be caught up in the captivity of lustful thoughts.

Jesus said, But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
(Mat 5:28 KJV)

The attraction is not the issue, But it needs to be given to GOD remain godly. The issue is looking at someone to lust after them. Not being attracted to someone.
 

lightbearer

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But we being humans in our current state of imperfection will look at people and have these thoughts..
No victory in Jesus? Where is that verse at?
Once our ancestors obtained the knowledge of Good and Evil we where all doomed to sin and we all do sin
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able (through Christ); but will with the temptation also make a way to escape (through Christ), that ye may be able to bear out from under. (1Co 10:13)

If it is not of FAITH it is sin. GOD is faithful HE will not suffer us to be tempted above that which we are able.


As i said before salvation is so easy for people who just accept the Word of God with Zero resistance.. Salvation is a true free gift as easy as drinking water.. Easier in fact..
We know that He was manifested to take away our sins. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead (separated from) sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes we were healed.
(1Pe 2:24)
 

Markum1972

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Scripture simply states what "natural affection" is.

Natural affection is the result of the way man and woman were created. It is caused by the fact that woman was taken from the man. It is an attraction to one another as a result. Genesis 2:23-24

Any attraction outside of this is not natural and is not subjective to the very first commandment given by God., "be fruitful and multiply", and is therefore an abomination.

This is among the simplest of precepts covered at the very beginning. Inability to overcome this stumbling block will deny one of understanding even the simplest mysteries of God.
 

Markum1972

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Furthermore, natural affection leads to marriage in its pure form. The marriage license was not invented until 1215. The U.S. was liberated from the marriage license when it gained its independence. However, unfortunately the marriage license was reintroduced in 1917 to prevent interracial marriage. Today, the license is not required for marriage on a federal level but is still used to pervert God's sacred union.
 

EarnestQ

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Yes, that is our human condition & why we need a savior.
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It seems to me that you are confusing temptation with sin. As best as I can understand it, temptation is not a sin because Jesus was tempted to sin. If we want to be like Jesus we need to resist temptation and not sin.

I heard it said that we can't stop birds from flying over our head but we can stop them from nesting on our head. That sounds like the way we are to handle temptation.
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EarnestQ

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It seems to me that Adam was attracted to Eve when the first thing he said after seeing her was "WOW MAN." It has since been shortened to "woman".
 

Embankment

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It seems to me that you are confusing temptation with sin. As best as I can understand it, temptation is not a sin because Jesus was tempted to sin. If we want to be like Jesus we need to resist temptation and not sin.

I heard it said that we can't stop birds from flying over our head but we can stop them from nesting on our head. That sounds like the way we are to handle temptation.
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Jesus said if you lust after a woman (attraction) you have already committed adultery in your mind. He says the same about anger. If you are angry with someone you have murdered them in your mind. Jesus isn’t saying these thing to fill the air with words. He is making a point...
 

EarnestQ

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Jesus said if you lust after a woman (attraction) you have already committed adultery in your mind. He says the same about anger. If you are angry with someone you have murdered them in your mind. Jesus isn’t saying these thing to fill the air with words. He is making a point...
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"I" believe that there is a difference between being attracted to someone and lusting after them. For instance, when I see an attractive woman I acknowledge that God made her attractive and then I pray that she would be a godly woman and that God will bless her marriage and family. I do not consider this to be sin. However, if I imagine having sex with her then I am lusting after her and, for me, that would be sin.
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