Is the Devil bound right now...?

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Is Satan bound right now?


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Ahwatukee

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yes but the bible says The kingdoms of this physical world, become the kings here soon

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying,
[The kingdoms of this world] are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ;

and he shall reign for ever and ever.
To Cassian,

The Lord also told his disciples and all believers the following:

"My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."

The Father's house would be in heaven. When Jesus ascended he went back to the Father's house to prepare a place for us. Then the Lord said that he would come back and take us to be where he is, which would be the Father's house, which is in heaven. Therefore yes, it is a heavenly kingdom that believers will be going to at the Lord's appearing to gather us according to his promise.
 

Cassian

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To Cassian,

The Lord also told his disciples and all believers the following:

"My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."

The Father's house would be in heaven. When Jesus ascended he went back to the Father's house to prepare a place for us. Then the Lord said that he would come back and take us to be where he is, which would be the Father's house, which is in heaven. Therefore yes, it is a heavenly kingdom that believers will be going to at the Lord's appearing to gather us according to his promise.
It is good that you jettisoned the false teaching of an earthly reign. What you describe above is what will happen when Christ comes again. When He comes, all the dead will be raised, all will be judged and Christ will present a holy and blameless bride, the Church to the Father.

There is no additional earthly reign, at least not in scripture.
 

Cassian

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yes but the bible says The kingdoms of this physical world, become the kings here soon

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying,
[The kingdoms of this world] are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ;

and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Welcome to the real world. He is reigning now and until all shall be His footstool. Have you ever heard the "Messiah" by Handel? He got it right in the mid 18th century. It is taken from Isaiah. Same words they inserted into the Nicene Creed when the Church declared Chiliasm heretical back in 381, His Kingdom shall not end.
 

prove-all

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[2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you.

I go to prepare a place for you.


He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, .

-people leave out this next verse

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And if I go and prepare a place for you, [I will come again],
and to return

and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
-when He returns, there we also be on earth.

can you tell us what our mansions really are?
are you going to be playing a harp for eternity in heaven.
why does he give us a white rock with a name on it , only we know


 

VCO

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Just because I do not adhere to your man made theories, I also do not adhere to typical protestant jargon and definitions. They have no reality, just philosophical phrases.

Cassian, are you a Jehovah Witness?

If not, what Church do you go to?

I have shared nothing but the TRUTH with you, so when CHRIST reveals that you were told the TRUTH and you rejected it; where do you think that will leave you?

Remember when we became members here, did we not have to agree that we agreed with Typical Protestant Beliefs?

Did you lie to become a member?

Is the Doctrine of the Holy Trinity one of the Typical Protestant Jargons and Definitions that you do not Adhere to?

Please answer my questions.

Here is where I think you are at, and why you are even here:

Jude 1:18-19 (NET)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For they said to you, "In the end time there will come scoffers, propelled by their own ungodly desires."
[SUP]19 [/SUP] These people are divisive, worldly, devoid of the Spirit.
 

Ahwatukee

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Cassian, are you a Jehovah Witness?

If not, what Church do you go to?

I have shared nothing but the TRUTH with you, so when CHRIST reveals that you were told the TRUTH and you rejected it; where do you think that will leave you?

Remember when we became members here, did we not have to agree that we agreed with Typical Protestant Beliefs?

Did you lie to become a member?

Is the Doctrine of the Holy Trinity one of the Typical Protestant Jargons and Definitions that you do not Adhere to?

Please answer my questions.

Here is where I think you are at, and why you are even here:

Jude 1:18-19 (NET)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For they said to you, "In the end time there will come scoffers, propelled by their own ungodly desires."
[SUP]19 [/SUP] These people are divisive, worldly, devoid of the Spirit.
Hi VCO,

Cassian is an Amillennialist. Their belief, among other things, is that we are currently living in the thousand year reign of Christ. But according them, Christ's reign is not literally reigning with saints on earth, but from heaven through the saints. They spiritualize or allegorize all of the end time events so that most of them have all been fulfilled. They also believe that Rev.20:1-2 where Satan is bound in the Abyss already took place at the cross, except they leave out the literal binding in the literal Abyss part. And so it becomes a kind of passive binding, yet scripture demonstrates that it is a literal binding for a literal thousand years in the literal Abyss.

You can argue with them on this and produce scripture, but to no avail and that because they already have a prepackaged interpretation for most of the end-time topics. So, when you produce scripture, they have already been brain-washed with that prepackage version of what they've been taught and the scriptures that you provided will fall upon deaf ears. When you talk scripture, it's like on the Peanut's cartoons on TV when you hear the parents speaking, wha, wha, whaa, whaa, wha, wha. That's how they hear you. I would suggest that you do a search on Amillennialism to better understand who your talking to and what he believes.
 

LvsJesus

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Eph 4:27 Neither give place to the devil.

Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
1Pe 5:9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
 

LvsJesus

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1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1Co 7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

2Co 2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

1Th 2:18 Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us.

2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

1Ti 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

1Ti 5:15 For some are already turned aside after Satan.

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev 2:13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
 

Cassian

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VCO,

Cassian, are you a Jehovah Witness? Why do you need to guess, I have told you specifically which Church I belong to. You even rediculed that point.

If not, what Church do you go to?
I am a member of the Orthodox Church.

I have shared nothing but the TRUTH with you, so when CHRIST reveals that you were told the TRUTH and you rejected it; where do you think that will leave you?
Hardly Truth when it has been clearly shown to be of men, modern men at that.

I don't get Truth from individual men. i get it from the Church who was the recipient of that Truth in the beginning via the Apostles. The Truth is what was given and preserved by the Holy Spirit within His Body, of which Christ is the Head. It is NOT from man imposing his best intellectual guess as to what it might mean.

I think you are the one who needs to ask yourself that question.

Remember when we became members here, did we not have to agree that we agreed with Typical Protestant Beliefs?
Christian beliefs and one of the standards is the Nicene Creed. How come you don't hold to the Nicene Creed?
Is the Doctrine of the Holy Trinity one of the Typical Protestant Jargons and Definitions that you do not Adhere to?
Yes, most Protestants adhere to the change made by the RCC of adding the filioque clause to the Nicene Creed.

Jude 1:18-19 (NET)
18 For they said to you, "In the end time there will come scoffers, propelled by their own ungodly desires."
19 These people are divisive, worldly, devoid of the Spirit.
k You seem to have a way of self indictment. it fits your position perfectly. You are scoffing at the work of the Holy Spirit in giving and preserving God's revelation to man unchanged for 2000 years. You have yet to show that the Holy Spirit gave us the premillennial concept, and has preseved it within His Body. All you come up with is your man made modern theory of dispensational/premillennialism.
 

Cassian

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Hi VCO,

Cassian is an Amillennialist. Their belief, among other things, is that we are currently living in the thousand year reign of Christ. But according them, Christ's reign is not literally reigning with saints on earth, but from heaven through the saints. They spiritualize or allegorize all of the end time events so that most of them have all been fulfilled. They also believe that Rev.20:1-2 where Satan is bound in the Abyss already took place at the cross, except they leave out the literal binding in the literal Abyss part. And so it becomes a kind of passive binding, yet scripture demonstrates that it is a literal binding for a literal thousand years in the literal Abyss.

You can argue with them on this and produce scripture, but to no avail and that because they already have a prepackaged interpretation for most of the end-time topics. So, when you produce scripture, they have already been brain-washed with that prepackage version of what they've been taught and the scriptures that you provided will fall upon deaf ears. When you talk scripture, it's like on the Peanut's cartoons on TV when you hear the parents speaking, wha, wha, whaa, whaa, wha, wha. That's how they hear you. I would suggest that you do a search on Amillennialism to better understand who your talking to and what he believes.
It is really hard to kick against the stones. The Holy Spirit has worked diligently for 2000 years to preserve the Revelation that was given to the Apostles, some of which was written and is a testament to that Revelation. You can continue to try to foist false teachings but those who become Bereans will understand the Truth as it was given.

There is no such thing in scripture. If it was part of God's revelation to man, it would have always been believed, unchanged over the last 2000 years. Which is why it is very easy to determine false teachings, they are not from the beginning and have not been believed from the beginning.
 

VCO

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Hi VCO,

Cassian is an Amillennialist. Their belief, among other things, is that we are currently living in the thousand year reign of Christ. But according them, Christ's reign is not literally reigning with saints on earth, but from heaven through the saints. They spiritualize or allegorize all of the end time events so that most of them have all been fulfilled. They also believe that Rev.20:1-2 where Satan is bound in the Abyss already took place at the cross, except they leave out the literal binding in the literal Abyss part. And so it becomes a kind of passive binding, yet scripture demonstrates that it is a literal binding for a literal thousand years in the literal Abyss.

You can argue with them on this and produce scripture, but to no avail and that because they already have a prepackaged interpretation for most of the end-time topics. So, when you produce scripture, they have already been brain-washed with that prepackage version of what they've been taught and the scriptures that you provided will fall upon deaf ears. When you talk scripture, it's like on the Peanut's cartoons on TV when you hear the parents speaking, wha, wha, whaa, whaa, wha, wha. That's how they hear you. I would suggest that you do a search on Amillennialism to better understand who your talking to and what he believes.
Do they believe in the Doctrine of the Trinity?

They obviously do not believe in Born Again, because he could not or would not define it.

Now the reason I suspected he was influenced by the Jehovah Witness teachings; is they believe Christ's body was vaporized, and that He has already returned spiritually and indwells the inner rooms of the Watchtower building controlling what is published there, so that the articles in the Watchtower Magazine are EQUAL to Word of GOD.


Matthew 24:24-27 (NKJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] See, I have told you beforehand.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or
'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

IN OTHER WORDS, IT WILL BE VERY FAST AND VERY VISIBLE.
ALSO He appears in the sky as Son of Man to call out His Bride, prior to, COMING on the White Horse of a Conquering KING, when He Come back as GOD the SON.

 

Cassian

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Do they believe in the Doctrine of the Trinity?

They obviously do not believe in Born Again, because he could not or would not define it.

Now the reason I suspected he was influenced by the Jehovah Witness teachings; is they believe Christ's body was vaporized, and that He has already returned spiritually and indwells the inner rooms of the Watchtower building controlling what is published there, so that the articles in the Watchtower Magazine are EQUAL to Word of GOD.


Matthew 24:24-27 (NKJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] See, I have told you beforehand.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or
'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

IN OTHER WORDS, IT WILL BE VERY FAST AND VERY VISIBLE.
ALSO He appears in the sky as Son of Man to call out His Bride, prior to, COMING on the White Horse of a Conquering KING, when He Come back as GOD the SON.

Interesting that you would select another man made religion that is based on scripture. You could not prove them false anymore than you cannot prove premillennialism true since both are simply based on man's opinion as to what scripture might mean. The best a sola scripturist can do is say it does not align with my own personal interpretation.
 
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popeye

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I beg your pardon, you reject the earlier writings of the 1st-2nd century Church fathers who were Millennialists in favor of later 3rd century and forward groups that began to heed Amillenialism. You also reject the chronological flow of Rev.19 about Christ's second coming and then start of His "thousand years" reign with His elect in the very next chapter of Rev.20.

To try and get around that, amillennialists must try to create a divide between that chapter flow, but that reasoning simply doesn't work on brethren that study God's Word for themselves with God's help, which I happen to be one of those.

What men's Amillennial and Post-Millennial theories will do for brethren in the last days is trick them into accepting the coming "one world government" system that Satan's host on earth have been setting up for centuries, with it now being in its final stages today. That system will... be the first beast kingdom Jesus showed Apostle John in Revelation 13:1-2, which means deceived brethren will also accept that second beast ("another beast") in place of Christ when he comes to be head king over it. There are still some followers of Christ Jesus on earth today that well know about that coming event over all nations and peoples on this earth for our near future, and we will not... be deceived by it. By what you have chose to believe from men's doctrines, you show that you are not prepared for that coming event at all.
Even Jesus himself would have to leave tha amils to their invincible ignorance. I also showed him the basics of history and the out and out lies he recites.

At that time he quoted directly from the Vatican's catechesim (his complete reliance on dead men's infallibility).
When he says "the church never taught" he is referring to Rome.

You are addressing a spirit,a religious spirit. He is invincibly ignorant,as is Valliant and bowman.
 
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popeye

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Interesting that you would select another man made religion that is based on scripture. You could not prove them false anymore than you cannot prove premillennialism true since both are simply based on man's opinion as to what scripture might mean. The best a sola scripturist can do is say it does not align with my own personal interpretation.
...and your entire foundation is based on the infallibility of dead men of the past and whatever twist you can invent to hide basic history.
 
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popeye

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It is really hard to kick against the stones. The Holy Spirit has worked diligently for 2000 years to preserve the Revelation that was given to the Apostles, some of which was written and is a testament to that Revelation. You can continue to try to foist false teachings but those who become Bereans will understand the Truth as it was given.

There is no such thing in scripture. If it was part of God's revelation to man, it would have always been believed, unchanged over the last 2000 years. Which is why it is very easy to determine false teachings, they are not from the beginning and have not been believed from the beginning.
Berean in your dictionary is ones ability to abandon the word of God,comprehension,and the Holy Spirit.

Those dead humanoids you hide behind and deify are rotting corpses of lies you spew and vomit on the body of Christ
 
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popeye

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Cassian, are you a Jehovah Witness?

If not, what Church do you go to?

I have shared nothing but the TRUTH with you, so when CHRIST reveals that you were told the TRUTH and you rejected it; where do you think that will leave you?

Remember when we became members here, did we not have to agree that we agreed with Typical Protestant Beliefs?

Did you lie to become a member?

Is the Doctrine of the Holy Trinity one of the Typical Protestant Jargons and Definitions that you do not Adhere to?

Please answer my questions.

Here is where I think you are at, and why you are even here:

Jude 1:18-19 (NET)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For they said to you, "In the end time there will come scoffers, propelled by their own ungodly desires."
[SUP]19 [/SUP] These people are divisive, worldly, devoid of the Spirit.
He has a familiar spirit. It is akin to that JW spirit. In both instances you can blow them completely outta the water and they deflect,deceive,lie,and cunningly pull you into their realm of false ,heretical rabbit trails.
 
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popeye

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That's what you... say. Yet what those early Church fathers wrote proves that they understood the time of Christ's "thousand years" reign to begin right after the resurrection, with His reign established in Jerusalem. And that just so happens to be the chronological flow of events actually written in God's Word also.

Thus the premill concept was not created by Darby and dispensationalism, which was a creation in the 1830's. Premill originally had nothing... to do with Darby's pre-trib rapture, because the early Church fathers didn't have any pre-trib doctrine.
You both are easily debunked without invoking a a single dead "church father"
Now you see where invoking the infallibly of the early church gets any bible student
You both invoke the exact same rabbit trail
 

Cassian

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...and your entire foundation is based on the infallibility of dead men of the past and whatever twist you can invent to hide basic history.
Nice assertion but, as usual, no evidence. The Church has always been enlivened by the Holy Spirit through the Body. Man has never had authority over God's revelation to man. It has always been the Holy Spirit working through the Body of Christ, of which He is the Head. It is why scripture so clearly states that it is the Church, that is the guardian and pillar of Truth. It is that One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church of which Christ established here on earth over which He governs, not man.

It might help to actually understand what you are actually arguing against. This is not the fallen Rome that so many Protestants castigate when in actuality, they have become more or less quite the same as time goes by.
 

Cassian

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Berean in your dictionary is ones ability to abandon the word of God,comprehension,and the Holy Spirit.

Those dead humanoids you hide behind and deify are rotting corpses of lies you spew and vomit on the body of Christ
God might permit that blasphemy go since you state it is blind ignorance. You really have no understanding against what you think you are arguing. You have no actual evidence so any and all nonsubstantive rhetoric and irrelevant assertions will have to pass as the best you can do.