Is the Devil bound right now...?

[ukok102nak]

Then the day of this creature shall come again
Ecclesiastes: 5. 15. A most deplorable evil: as he came, so shall he return. What then doth it profit him that he hath laboured for the wind?
16. All the days of his life he eateth in darkness, and in many cares, and in misery, and sorrow.

And about this wind . ...
Jeremiah: 51. 1. Thus saith the Lord: Behold I will raise up as it were a pestilential wind against Babylon and against the inhabitants thereof, who have lifted up their heart against me.

God bless us all

:ty:

 

[Cassian]

The early Church prior to the 3rd century A.D. were premillennial. With later Constantine and the Edict of Milan, many of the later Church fathers began to heed the allegorical spiritualism of those like Origen from the Alexandria, Egypt school, which had joined pagan doctrines in with Christian doctrine.

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Early 1st-2nd century Church fathers:

Papias (60 - 130 A.D.), "there will be a millennium after the resurrection of the dead, when the kingdom of Christ will be set up in material form on this earth." (Eusebius quote in Eusebius Ecclesiastical History, vol. II (Cambridge, MA, Harvard University Press, 1926) Vol.1, p.297)


Justin Martyr (100-165 A.D.), "But I and others, who are right-minded Christians on all points, are assured that there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then he built, adorned, and enlarged, as the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah and others declare." (Dialogue With Trypho, Chapter 80.)


Tertullian (160-230 A.D.), "But we do confess that a kingdom is promised to us upon the earth, although before heaven, only in another state of existence; inasmuch as it will be after the resurrection for a thousand years in the divinely-built city of Jerusalem, 'let down from heaven,' which the apostle also calls 'our mother from above;' and, while declaring that our citizenship is in heaven, he predicts of it that it is really a city in heaven. This both Ezekiel had knowledge of and the Apostle John beheld." (Tertullian, Against Marcion, book 3, chap.25.)

You misunderstand scripture and misunderstand the role of Church Fathers. The CHURCH NEVER held the view of millennialism. These men you cite wrote about it, all from Asia Minor where the view originated from the Gnostics and Zorastrosim by Cerinthius. It is the specific view that was declared a heresy by the Church in 381 at the Second Ecumenical Council.

Man, including every Church Father did not determine what the Church believed. This is a good example of man made theories, or worse theories that were of pagan origin and assimulated into Christian theology. These men and their view was declared heretical just as all men's ideas have been. It is no different presently with the man made popularized theory of dispensational remillennialism. These modern versions or only about 60 years old and still changing, trying to determine just what it might mean.

 

[Cassian]

Cassian, I gave you a multitude of evidence, both here, and on my thread http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/95283-calling-out-bride-go-wedding-lamb.html. You chose to reject it all, because you have no spiritual mind to use to discern spiritual truths with spiritual understanding; you only understand with the fleshly mind that is between your ears. YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN FIRST. There is no such thing as having spiritual understanding without the HOLY SPIRIT entering your heart first. Until you come to HIM with a broken, contrite heart; surrendering completely to HIM out of LOVE FOR HIM; you will remain without spiritual understanding.

It is not my job to make you understand, which would be an exercise in futility. You do not come thru the Narrow Gate in groups, NOR do you get pushed thru by another individual. You have to choose to believe, and willingly walk thru that Narrow Gate because you LOVE HIM DEEPLY, with the Kind of LOVE that only the Holy Spirit can pour into your heart. Somehow I think your stumbling block is your pride in your own human intellect.

1 Corinthians 2:13-14 (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I reject it because it is not scriptural, as scripture has always been believed. You continue to give me rationalizations of the man made theory, that has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit. Give me some evidence that this view was believed, taught and held by all Christians from the beginning thereby being of the Holy Spirit, rather than resurrected only 200 years ago by man.
Based on the way your theory of revelation works, Joseph Smith was given the vision by the Holy Spirit. As was the vision of Van Summers of the current NEW REVELATION. Based on Van Summers, both you and I are incorrect because his is the latest installment of the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, I believe it was early 1980's. One should wonder when he next installment will come and everything changes again.

I think VCO, you need to check the spirits.

 

[prove-all]

prove-all,

But it is from Daniel and it has all been fulfilled.



See above.

What mysteries do we not know that we need to know?

no the statue , gential world rulers[governments on earth] the bible says all would be smashed
by his second comming. this is where Christ rules with a rod of iron over the nations.

now he reins in my heart, but in this evil generation, man kings do it there way.


why should we know mysterys? so we can avoid for one plagues.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people,
that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.


And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.


Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy,
and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.​

 

[ukok102nak]

What happens if there is NO WIND BLOWING from any direction?

You got it, a world-wide MAJOR DROUGHT, followed by a MAJOR FAMINE; is the first thing that comes to my mind.

:smoke: thank you very much my brethren :happy:
For your honest answer
just continue your work
And
God bless us all

:ty:

 

[Cassian]

no the statue , gential world rulers[governments on earth] the bible says all would be smashed
by his second comming. this is where Christ rules with a rod of iron over the nations.

now he reins in my heart, but in this evil generation, man kings do it there way.


why should we know mysterys? so we can avoid for one plagues.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people,
that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.


And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.


Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy,
and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.​

You keep citing man's opinion as to what it means, but I see no historical evidence that Daniel is NOT fulfilled. Even the Jewish historians of that day, Josephus, stated that Daniel was fulfilled with the coming of Christ.

Peter, as I stated several times, already has thrown the dispensational/premillennial theory in the wastebasket with his sermon in Acts 2 at Pentecost.

 

[DP]

:smoke: Thank you very much :happy:
For your answer . ...

By the way the verses you gave us tells us about the four winds
what do we mean to say is `` what are this four winds``
Specifically each wind and their attributes
like this one
:read:
Ephesians: 4. 14. That henceforth we be no more children tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine by the wickedness of men, by cunning craftiness, by which they lie in wait to deceive

God bless us all

:ty:

The word "wind" in Eph.4:14 is only being used by Paul as a figure of speech. He's not talking about the "four winds" idea.

The best explanation of what the "four winds" are literally that I could give, are the four quarters. God used the idea of the winds on earth in various ways in the OT prophets, sometimes literally, and sometimes metaphorically about The Holy Spirit. It's a pretty deep study.

 

[DP]

You misunderstand scripture and misunderstand the role of Church Fathers. The CHURCH NEVER held the view of millennialism. These men you cite wrote about it, all from Asia Minor where the view originated from the Gnostics and Zorastrosim by Cerinthius. It is the specific view that was declared a heresy by the Church in 381 at the Second Ecumenical Council.

Man, including every Church Father did not determine what the Church believed. This is a good example of man made theories, or worse theories that were of pagan origin and assimulated into Christian theology. These men and their view was declared heretical just as all men's ideas have been. It is no different presently with the man made popularized theory of dispensational remillennialism. These modern versions or only about 60 years old and still changing, trying to determine just what it might mean.

That's what you... say. Yet what those early Church fathers wrote proves that they understood the time of Christ's "thousand years" reign to begin right after the resurrection, with His reign established in Jerusalem. And that just so happens to be the chronological flow of events actually written in God's Word also.

Thus the premill concept was not created by Darby and dispensationalism, which was a creation in the 1830's. Premill originally had nothing... to do with Darby's pre-trib rapture, because the early Church fathers didn't have any pre-trib doctrine.

 

[Cassian]

That's what you... say. Yet what those early Church fathers wrote proves that they understood the time of Christ's "thousand years" reign to begin right after the resurrection, with His reign established in Jerusalem. And that just so happens to be the chronological flow of events actually written in God's Word also.

Thus the premill concept was not created by Darby and dispensationalism, which was a creation in the 1830's. Premill originally had nothing... to do with Darby's pre-trib rapture, because the early Church fathers didn't have any pre-trib doctrine.

Other than some writings in the west during the Middle Ages there is NOTHING in history regarding a millennial reign.

Darby resurrected an idea that he developed way beyond what Papias, Iraneous, and Justin described. In fact, theirs was really a post millennial view,

Miller brought the idea to the US and Scofield developed his theory of dispensationalism. The two were married together and today you have such purveryors as Lindsey, Walvoord, Ryrie, Hagee and Impe who are preaching this man made, false theory as if it is actually scriptural. Nothing could be further from the Truth.

If you are going to look at the Church Fathers only, you will be led astray. Every false teaching prior to the RCC schism was developed by men within the Church. That does not mean the Church actually believed all of these teachings. It is why all of them are actually heretical because they were derived from men and not from the Original Revelation of which scripture is a written testament.

You are still lacking evidence that the Church has always believed in the dispensational/premillennial theory. If it was actually scriptural you would not have all of these different men trying to determine what it means. Every time one of them changes a point, it makes the previous explanation false.

 

[VCO]

I reject it because it is not scriptural, as scripture has always been believed. You continue to give me rationalizations of the man made theory, that has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit. Give me some evidence that this view was believed, taught and held by all Christians from the beginning thereby being of the Holy Spirit, rather than resurrected only 200 years ago by man.
Based on the way your theory of revelation works, Joseph Smith was given the vision by the Holy Spirit. As was the vision of Van Summers of the current NEW REVELATION. Based on Van Summers, both you and I are incorrect because his is the latest installment of the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, I believe it was early 1980's. One should wonder when he next installment will come and everything changes again.

I think VCO, you need to check the spirits.

I already have, I was born again the last week of 1977, and the Holy Spirit and the mind of Christ have been in me ever since, giving me spiritual understanding, in my born again human spirit, as it grows in understanding day by day. Like I said before, you do not gain spiritual understanding thru the intellect of the human mind of the flesh.

John 3:3-8 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?"
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] "Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

 

[Cassian]

I already have, I was born again the last week of 1977, and the Holy Spirit and the mind of Christ have been in me ever since, giving me spiritual understanding, in my born again human spirit, as it grows in understanding day by day. Like I said before, you do not gain spiritual understanding thru the intellect of the human mind of the flesh.

John 3:3-8 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?"
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] "Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

What kingdom would that be? You have changed the meaning of kingdom to be some earthly reign of Christ. What good is it to be "born again" today per your view?

History also shows that what you call "being born" again is no guarantee that a person will not follow false teachings. I have already pointed out that most false teachings were developed by men who were born again. Paul in Timothy makes it very clear that "born again" believers will lose faith and will follow the false teachings of men. You are a good example of that phenomenon.

 

[ukok102nak]

The word "wind" in Eph.4:14 is only being used by Paul as a figure of speech. He's not talking about the "four winds" idea.

The best explanation of what the "four winds" are literally that I could give, are the four quarters. God used the idea of the winds on earth in various ways in the OT prophets, sometimes literally, and sometimes metaphorically about The Holy Spirit. It's a pretty deep study.

indeed
my brethren :happy:
were just answering your question
What happens if there is NO WIND BLOWING from any direction?
what we exactly means is this verse that you've read
is one of those very reasons why there will be a time when people asking something like this to each and everyone . ...

God bless us always

:ty:

 

[DP]

Other than some writings in the west during the Middle Ages there is NOTHING in history regarding a millennial reign.

Darby resurrected an idea that he developed way beyond what Papias, Iraneous, and Justin described. In fact, theirs was really a post millennial view,

Miller brought the idea to the US and Scofield developed his theory of dispensationalism. The two were married together and today you have such purveryors as Lindsey, Walvoord, Ryrie, Hagee and Impe who are preaching this man made, false theory as if it is actually scriptural. Nothing could be further from the Truth.

If you are going to look at the Church Fathers only, you will be led astray. Every false teaching prior to the RCC schism was developed by men within the Church. That does not mean the Church actually believed all of these teachings. It is why all of them are actually heretical because they were derived from men and not from the Original Revelation of which scripture is a written testament.

You are still lacking evidence that the Church has always believed in the dispensational/premillennial theory. If it was actually scriptural you would not have all of these different men trying to determine what it means. Every time one of them changes a point, it makes the previous explanation false.

Sorry, I have to laugh at your vain attempt in trying to revise the historical writings of those early Church fathers.

That proof that those early 1st-2nd century A.D. Church fathers held to a premillennial coming of Christ Jesus, and then the beginning of His thousand years reign on earth in Jerusalem, was offered to you. But you reject it.

Your credibility would have suffered less if you had just said nothing and gone on. But now with your remarks above, instead of keeping silent and possibly being thought foolish, you have spoken up and removed all doubt.

 

[VCO]

What kingdom would that be? You have changed the meaning of kingdom to be some earthly reign of Christ. What good is it to be "born again" today per your view?

History also shows that what you call "being born" again is no guarantee that a person will not follow false teachings. I have already pointed out that most false teachings were developed by men who were born again. Paul in Timothy makes it very clear that "born again" believers will lose faith and will follow the false teachings of men. You are a good example of that phenomenon.

You don't listen do you.

Born again establishes a REAL personal LOVE relationship with Jesus Christ as you willingly out of Love surrender control of your Life to Jesus Christ as LORD. That IS NOT POSSIBLE in the mind of the FLESH. The same instant you choose to believe, the HOLY SPIRIT comes into your heart, birthing your once dead human spirit into Eternal Life, while HE, the Holy Spirit pours the LOVE OF GOD into your heart. That new living spirit senses a deep conviction of one's utter sinfulness, bringing sincere mourning over your sins, crying out to Him for forgiveness, and sensing that forgiveness spawns a willingness out LOVE to give HIM control of your life without holding anything back; as a Way to LOVE HIM Back for first loving you. NONE OF THAT IS OUT OF OUR OWN POWER OR INTELLECT, IT IS ALL A WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN OUR HEARTS. IT IS VERY, VERY REAL, AS EVERY TRULY BORN AGAIN BELIEVER CAN TESTIFY.

WHAT GOOD IS IT? IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO BE SAVED! KNOWING ABOUT HIM AND WHO HE IS, DOES NOT SAVE YOU. EVEN THE DEMONS IN THE DEMONIACS AT GADARA KNEW THAT MUCH. ONLY THE GENUINELY KNOWING HIM INTIMATELY AND PERSONALLY SAVES. THAT NEW LIVING HUMAN SPIRIT ALSO GAINS THE ABILITY TO SPIRITUALLY UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORD OF GOD, WITH THE MIND OF THE SPIRIT.

I told you before, but you did not understand. The Kingdom of GOD is HIS reign from the THRONE OF GOD in HEAVEN which has always been part of the spiritual nature of the Son of GOD. His future 1000 year earthly reign is literally a physical reign from the THRONE OF DAVID IN JERUSALEM, ISRAEL. YES HE said you cannot get to Heaven without first becoming Born Again.

 

[Cassian]

Sorry, I have to laugh at your vain attempt in trying to revise the historical writings of those early Church fathers.

That proof that those early 1st-2nd century A.D. Church fathers held to a premillennial coming of Christ Jesus, and then the beginning of His thousand years reign on earth in Jerusalem, was offered to you. But you reject it.

Your credibility would have suffered less if you had just said nothing and gone on. But now with your remarks above, instead of keeping silent and possibly being thought foolish, you have spoken up and removed all doubt.

The only one's who look foolish are those trying to support a nonscriptural teaching. Your ignorance is what is exemplified when I gave to you the historical facts relating to the Church Fathers. Your ignorance also shows in that I am not the one trying to revive a view that was declared heretical.

I reject it because it is nonscriptual, then as now.

 

[Cassian]

You don't listen do you.

Born again establishes a REAL personal LOVE relationship with Jesus Christ as you willingly out of Love surrender control of your Life to Jesus Christ as LORD. That IS NOT POSSIBLE in the mind of the FLESH. The same instant you choose to believe, the HOLY SPIRIT comes into your heart, birthing your once dead human spirit into Eternal Life, while HE, the Holy Spirit pours the LOVE OF GOD into your heart. That new living spirit senses a deep conviction of one's utter sinfulness, bringing sincere mourning over your sins, crying out to Him for forgiveness, and sensing that forgiveness spawns a willingness out LOVE to give HIM control of your life without holding anything back; as a Way to LOVE HIM Back for first loving you. NONE OF THAT IS OUT OF OUR OWN POWER OR INTELLECT, IT IS ALL A WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN OUR HEARTS. IT IS VERY, VERY REAL, AS EVERY TRULY BORN AGAIN BELIEVER CAN TESTIFY.

WHAT GOOD IS IT? IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO BE SAVED! KNOWING ABOUT HIM AND WHO HE IS, DOES NOT SAVE YOU. EVEN THE DEMONS IN THE DEMONIACS AT GADARA KNEW THAT MUCH. ONLY THE GENUINELY KNOWING HIM INTIMATELY AND PERSONALLY SAVES. THAT NEW LIVING HUMAN SPIRIT ALSO GAINS THE ABILITY TO SPIRITUALLY UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORD OF GOD, WITH THE MIND OF THE SPIRIT.

I told you before, but you did not understand. The Kingdom of GOD is HIS reign from the THRONE OF GOD in HEAVEN which has always been part of the spiritual nature of the Son of GOD. His future 1000 year earthly reign is literally a physical reign from the THRONE OF DAVID IN JERUSALEM, ISRAEL. YES HE said you cannot get to Heaven without first becoming Born Again.

Just because I do not adhere to your man made theories, I also do not adhere to typical protestant jargon and definitions. They have no reality, just philosophical phrases.

 

[DP]

The only one's who look foolish are those trying to support a nonscriptural teaching. Your ignorance is what is exemplified when I gave to you the historical facts relating to the Church Fathers. Your ignorance also shows in that I am not the one trying to revive a view that was declared heretical.

I reject it because it is nonscriptual, then as now.

I beg your pardon, you reject the earlier writings of the 1st-2nd century Church fathers who were Millennialists in favor of later 3rd century and forward groups that began to heed Amillenialism. You also reject the chronological flow of Rev.19 about Christ's second coming and then start of His "thousand years" reign with His elect in the very next chapter of Rev.20.

To try and get around that, amillennialists must try to create a divide between that chapter flow, but that reasoning simply doesn't work on brethren that study God's Word for themselves with God's help, which I happen to be one of those.

What men's Amillennial and Post-Millennial theories will do for brethren in the last days is trick them into accepting the coming "one world government" system that Satan's host on earth have been setting up for centuries, with it now being in its final stages today. That system will... be the first beast kingdom Jesus showed Apostle John in Revelation 13:1-2, which means deceived brethren will also accept that second beast ("another beast") in place of Christ when he comes to be head king over it. There are still some followers of Christ Jesus on earth today that well know about that coming event over all nations and peoples on this earth for our near future, and we will not... be deceived by it. By what you have chose to believe from men's doctrines, you show that you are not prepared for that coming event at all.

 

[valiant]

I beg your pardon, you reject the earlier writings of the 1st-2nd century Church fathers who were Millennialists in favor of later 3rd century and forward groups that began to heed Amillenialism.

I reject premillennialism because neither Jesus, nor Paul, nor Peter knew anything about it. Neither did John in his letters. In Revelation John is of course misinterpreted. They were all amillennialists.

The early fathers who espoused millennialism also did so on the basis of a 7000 year history which is of course invalid. But they were misinterpreting john. NONE OF THEM BELIVED IN PRETRIB.

You also reject the chronological flow of Rev.19 about Christ's second coming and then start of His "thousand years" reign with His elect in the very next chapter of Rev.20.

Revelation is divided into a number of visions each of which ends with the second coming.

Rev 6 outlines history and ends with the second coming. Rev 14 clearly ends with the second coming. Rev 19 ends with the second coming. Rev 20 ends with the second coming. It is nonsense to talk of the chronological flow of Revelation. The release of the dragon which commences chapter 20 has already been described in 9.11. It is a series of visions one of which is found in chapter 20.

To try and get around that, amillennialists must try to create a divide between that chapter flow, but that reasoning simply doesn't work on brethren that study God's Word for themselves with God's help, which I happen to be one of those.

LOL 'we are so wonderful!!!! Noone knows the word like us lol We all say so, so it must be true!!!! LOL LOL LOL You really are an arrogant lot.

'We (wonderful) brethren who study God's word with God's help. Of course no amillennialists have God's help.' I honestly don't know how you can live with yourselves. You are so conceited.

What men's Amillennial and Post-Millennial theories will do for brethren in the last days is trick them into accepting the coming "one world government" system that Satan's host on earth have been setting up for centuries, with it now being in its final stages today.

Rubbish, what amillennialists will do is stop people being so tied up in controversial interpretations of prophecy which continually contradict each other and tie them in knots, that they miss the simple truth of Christ's coming to set up the everlasting heavenly kingdom.

That system will... be the first beast kingdom Jesus showed Apostle John in Revelation 13:1-2, which means deceived brethren will also accept that second beast ("another beast") in place of Christ when he comes to be head king over it. There are still some followers of Christ Jesus on earth today that well know about that coming event over all nations and peoples on this earth for our near future, and we will not... be deceived by it. By what you have chose to believe from men's doctrines, you show that you are not prepared for that coming event at all.

I will not even discuss such rubbish. Satan has deceived you into getting overinvolved with him. I prefer to be involved with the One Who overcame Satan and will emerge full triumphant FOR EVER at the end of this age.

 

[Cassian]

DP,

I beg your pardon, you reject the earlier writings of the 1st-2nd century Church fathers who were Millennialists in favor of later 3rd century and forward groups that began to heed Amillenialism. You also reject the chronological flow of Rev.19 about Christ's second coming and then start of His "thousand years" reign with His elect in the very next chapter of Rev.20.

Never rejected them, they are historical facts. However, they were simply writings of a few men, whose views were never believed by the Church. The Church has always had what has become the ammillennial view. I have already pointed out all the scripture that the Apostles taught regarding the period between the Advents of Christ.

There is NO flow in Rev 19 regarding some thousand year reign of Christ on earth. That is the false view perpetuated by man. A view that is still being developed, probably will also be so, as future men will desire they exert they egoes and come up with a newer and better version.

What you have failed to give any evidence that what passes today as the dispensational/premillennial view has ever been the scriptural view and believed by all Christians from the beginning.

To try and get around that, amillennialists must try to create a divide between that chapter flow, but that reasoning simply doesn't work on brethren that study God's Word for themselves with God's help, which I happen to be one of those.

Of course it does not work. Man exults his own authority above that of the Holy Spirit.
Revelation is actually divided into seven sections. Each section describes the time period between His Advents. Chapter 20 is the beginning of the last section, or the beginning of Christ coming in His first advent.
You are not doing very well with your study. You are resisting the work of the Holy Spirit over the last 2000 years as well as the understanding He gave to the Apostles from the beginning.

All you have is other men's opinion and you are simply adding yours to it. It has been false for 2000 years and will always be false. It will not change. The Holy Spirit does not give more than one meaning to His Revelation.

What men's Amillennial and Post-Millennial theories will do for brethren in the last days is trick them into accepting the coming "one world government" system that Satan's host on earth have been setting up for centuries, with it now being in its final stages today. That system will... be the first beast kingdom Jesus showed Apostle John in Revelation 13:1-2, which means deceived brethren will also accept that second beast ("another beast") in place of Christ when he comes to be head king over it. There are still some followers of Christ Jesus on earth today that well know about that coming event over all nations and peoples on this earth for our near future, and we will not... be deceived by it. By what you have chose to believe from men's doctrines, you show that you are not prepared for that coming event at all.

You are under the same deception that the Jews were at Christ first coming. Looking for an earthly king, and 2000 years later man is still looking for that earthly king. Christ plainly stated His Kingdom is NOT of this world. It has not changed.

So far, you are the only one with man made doctrine. It is clearly, historically shown to be based on Miller and then the more recent men who all have some differences. Hardly a Gospel ONCE given in the beginning.
It is difficult to kick against the stones, but more kicking will not change the outcome.

 

[prove-all]

You are under the same deception that the Jews were at Christ first coming. Looking for an earthly king, and 2000 years later man is still looking for that earthly king. Christ plainly stated His Kingdom is NOT of this world. It has not changed.

.

yes but the bible says The kingdoms of this physical world, become the kings here soon

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying,
[The kingdoms of this world] are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ;

and he shall reign for ever and ever.​