Is The Earth Flat Or Round?
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Reality: "Flight distance from Johannesburg to São Paulo (OR Tambo International Airport – São Paulo–Guarulhos International Airport) is 4630 miles / 7452 kilometers / 4024 nautical miles. Estimated flight time is 9 hours 16 minutes."
Airlines fly to destinations depending on passenger demand. No airline flies direct between those airports. There is a flight that goes to Johannesburg via Luanda (Angola). Flight time is 12 hours. It took me a few minutes to verify this information.
Airlines fly to destinations depending on passenger demand. No airline flies direct between those airports. There is a flight that goes to Johannesburg via Luanda (Angola). Flight time is 12 hours. It took me a few minutes to verify this information.
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I fully agree. Had the Bible's science been written too much for modern man,
then folks back then would've been baffled; but even so, I think some of the
Bible's science was maybe too far ahead for its time; for example Job 26:7
where it says: "He suspends the earth over nothing." I don't know how Mr.
Job knew that but he was right.
Another I like is Ps 104:5-9 where it says: "He set the earth on its
foundations, so that it should never be moved. You covered it with the deep
as with a garment; the waters stood above the mountains. At your rebuke
they fled; at the sound of your thunder they took to flight. The mountains
rose, the valleys sank down to the place that you appointed for them. You
set a boundary that they may not pass, so that they might not again cover
the earth."
That's a pretty advanced knowledge of geology for its day. Who told that
guy that mountains rise and valleys sink? It's true they do, but how did he
know back then when Earth sciences were so primitive?
Anyway, it isn't unusual for the Bible to accommodate ignorance. For
example Acts 17:28-29 where the apostle Paul took his cue from the Greeks'
poets.
Well; Paul was a master of the Old Testament and knew from the book of
Genesis that humanity isn't God's progeny, i.e. humans aren't His direct
descendants, rather, people are a creator's handiwork: sort of like Pinocchio.
But the apostle had bigger fish to fry with those Athenian guys than the
specifics of their origin.
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I fully agree. Had the Bible's science been written too much for modern man,
then folks back then would've been baffled; but even so, I think some of the
Bible's science was maybe too far ahead for its time; for example Job 26:7
where it says: "He suspends the earth over nothing." I don't know how Mr.
Job knew that but he was right.
Another I like is Ps 104:5-9 where it says: "He set the earth on its
foundations, so that it should never be moved. You covered it with the deep
as with a garment; the waters stood above the mountains. At your rebuke
they fled; at the sound of your thunder they took to flight. The mountains
rose, the valleys sank down to the place that you appointed for them. You
set a boundary that they may not pass, so that they might not again cover
the earth."
That's a pretty advanced knowledge of geology for its day. Who told that
guy that mountains rise and valleys sink? It's true they do, but how did he
know back then when Earth sciences were so primitive?
Anyway, it isn't unusual for the Bible to accommodate ignorance. For
example Acts 17:28-29 where the apostle Paul took his cue from the Greeks'
poets.
Well; Paul was a master of the Old Testament and knew from the book of
Genesis that humanity isn't God's progeny, i.e. humans aren't His direct
descendants, rather, people are a creator's handiwork: sort of like Pinocchio.
But the apostle had bigger fish to fry with those Athenian guys than the
specifics of their origin.
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On a ball-Earth Santiago, Chile to Johannesburg, South Africa should be an easy flight all taking place below the Tropic of Capricorn in the Southern hemisphere, yet every listed flight makes a curious re-fueling stop in Senegal near the Tropic of Cancer in the North hemisphere first! When mapped on a flat Earth the reason why is clear to see, however, Senegal is actually directly in a straight-line path half-way between the two.
If Earth were a spinning ball heated by a Sun 93 million miles away, it would be impossible to have simultaneously sweltering summers in Africa while just a few thousand miles away bone-chilling frozen Arctic/Antarctic winters experiencing little to no heat from the Sun whatsoever. If the heat from the Sun traveled 93,000,000 miles to the Sahara desert, it is absurd to assert that another 4,000 miles (0.00004%) further to Antarctica would completely negate such sweltering heat resulting in such drastic differences.
If the Earth were truly a globe, the Arctic and Antarctic polar regions and areas of comparable latitude North and South of the equator should share similar conditions and characteristics such as comparable temperatures, seasonal changes, length of daylight, plant and animal life. In reality, however, the Arctic/Antarctic regions and areas of comparable latitude North/South of the equator differ greatly in many ways entirely inconsistent with the ball model and entirely consistent with the flat model.
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When discussing gravity with a flat-earth proponent, it's well to keep in mind
that you and they will be using familiar term but will be talking about two
very different processes.
Standard gravity pulls down, whereas flat-earth gravity lifts up. In other
words: when suicidal folks jump off a bridge, they don't go down to meet the
Earth, rather, they hover while the Earth comes up to meet them. The
results are the same, but the process is different, viz: in one the jumper
moves down, in the other the Earth moves up because it's always moving
up though we don't notice it; sort of like riding an UP elevator. Once the
elevator is in motion, we don't notice because we're in sync with it; until
the car starts slowing down a bit too fast to a stop, and then we notice.
The Sun's movements are different too.
Actually the Sun never sets on a flat earth because instead of going around
the Earth like a hula hoop, instead it circles the perimeter of the flat Earth
like a halo. This is somewhat problematic because when you think about it,
that arrangement would never allow for darkness because the Sun would be
shinning everywhere all the time-- brighter in some spots while dimmer in
others but none would be dark.
For example: when it's high noon in San Diego on a normal Earth, it's
roughly midnight in Shanghai; whereas on a flat earth, there would be some
daylight in both locations.
Flatters insist water can't bend. But when drops of water contact a waxed
surface, they form beads; which are spherical rather than flat. You can also
pour water on a soccer ball and note that although not all the water stays
on, some does and the amount that does is bent to conform to the surface of
the ball.
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When discussing gravity with a flat-earth proponent, it's well to keep in mind
that you and they will be using familiar term but will be talking about two
very different processes.
Standard gravity pulls down, whereas flat-earth gravity lifts up. In other
words: when suicidal folks jump off a bridge, they don't go down to meet the
Earth, rather, they hover while the Earth comes up to meet them. The
results are the same, but the process is different, viz: in one the jumper
moves down, in the other the Earth moves up because it's always moving
up though we don't notice it; sort of like riding an UP elevator. Once the
elevator is in motion, we don't notice because we're in sync with it; until
the car starts slowing down a bit too fast to a stop, and then we notice.
The Sun's movements are different too.
Actually the Sun never sets on a flat earth because instead of going around
the Earth like a hula hoop, instead it circles the perimeter of the flat Earth
like a halo. This is somewhat problematic because when you think about it,
that arrangement would never allow for darkness because the Sun would be
shinning everywhere all the time-- brighter in some spots while dimmer in
others but none would be dark.
For example: when it's high noon in San Diego on a normal Earth, it's
roughly midnight in Shanghai; whereas on a flat earth, there would be some
daylight in both locations.
Flatters insist water can't bend. But when drops of water contact a waxed
surface, they form beads; which are spherical rather than flat. You can also
pour water on a soccer ball and note that although not all the water stays
on, some does and the amount that does is bent to conform to the surface of
the ball.
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Antarctica is by far the coldest place on Earth with an average annual temperature of approximately -57 degrees Fahrenheit, and a record low of -135.8! The average annual temperature at the North Pole, however, is a comparatively warm 4 degrees. Throughout the year, temperatures in the Antarctic vary less than half the amount at comparable Arctic latitudes. The Northern Arctic region enjoys moderately warm summers and manageable winters, whereas the Southern Antarctic region never even warms enough to melt the perpetual snow and ice. On a tilting, wobbling, ball-Earth spinning uniformly around the Sun, Arctic and Antarctic temperatures and seasons should not vary so greatly.
Iceland at 65 degrees North latitude is home to 870 species of native plants and abundant various animal life. Compare this with the Isle of Georgia at just 54 degrees South latitude where there are only 18 species of native plants and animal life is almost non-existent. The same latitude as Canada or England in the North where dense forests of various tall trees abound, the infamous Captain Cook wrote of Georgia that he was unable to find a single shrub large enough to make a toothpick! Cook wrote, “Not a tree was to be seen. The lands which lie to the south are doomed by nature to perpetual frigidness - never to feel the warmth of the sun’s rays; whose horrible and savage aspect I have not words to describe. Even marine life is sparse in certain tracts of vast extent, and the sea-bird is seldom observed flying over such lonely wastes. The contrasts between the limits of organic life in Arctic and Antarctic zones is very remarkable and significant.”
At places of comparable latitude North and South, the Sun behaves very differently than it would on a spinning ball Earth but precisely how it should on a flat Earth. For example, the longest summer days North of the equator are much longer than those South of the equator, and the shortest winter days North of the equator are much shorter than the shortest South of the equator. This is inexplicable on a uniformly spinning, wobbling ball Earth but fits exactly on the flat model with the Sun traveling circles over and around the Earth from Tropic to Tropic.
