Is The Earth Flat Or Round?

[tourist]

First place satan said this was in the Garden = "did God really say".

That was and is satan's stradegy = he never stopped planting in our minds to doubt what God has said on any subject in the Word, most especially the Creation.

The overwhelming majority on here do not fully realize this and how it applies to this subject as well.

Please review Posts 1,489 and 1,492

Sorry, your explanation did not address my question at all. Funny thing though in these flat earth threads, there are those that say that those that believe in a flat earth have been deceived by Satan, but nor once have I seen a post where a round earth believer saying to a flat earth believer that they have been deceived by Satan. Not one passage exists in scripture where Satan refers to the shape of the earth.

 

[crossnote]

...or a Snicker's.

Umm, don'ta toucha my Snickers if ya know whatsa goo-od for ya.

 

[markss]

I finally voted. Other, I'll explain . . . slightly ovoid. The equator bulges, the poles flatten.

Really though I find it so very hard to believe that this discussion goes on as it does in this day. I've had a good friend who was into the flat earth idea. I've watched the debate, I've thought it through, my own personal observations assure me that the flat earth model is impossible unless you really get into some shennanigans.

The small close sun skimming over the surface at a certain height would appear small in the distance, then grow larger, reaching it's peak diameter when overhead, then smaller and smaller as it moved on by. Think of a passing train. Yet you can prove for yourself, hold out a dime at about arms length, well, better use the moon for this, same thing applies, hold out a dime at arm's length, at moonrise, and directly overhead. The moon's apparent diameter will be about the same as a dime at about arms lenght. It looks the same in both places. That means it's remaining at a certain distance from the viewer, that is, in orbit.

There are a few islands off the coast. Some you can see, some you can't. They are there. During a few times of that kind of atmospheric inversion that magnifies images over the horizon, I've seen one of those islands on 3 occassions, and to different degrees. However, in those many 100's of times I've been on that coastline, I don't see it. Only when there are particular atmospheric conditions. I know it's there, I've seen it. But I know it's not normally visible, because it is over the horizon.

I have more, but just these tell me, it's not see. The earth is not flat.

Much love!

 

[DavidTree]

Sorry, your explanation did not address my question at all. Funny thing though in these flat earth threads, there are those that say that those that believe in a flat earth have been deceived by Satan, but nor once have I seen a post where a round earth believer saying to a flat earth believer that they have been deceived by Satan. Not one passage exists in scripture where Satan refers to the shape of the earth.

Completely answered your question and you are free to reject that answer, as you have.
Rejecting the correct and true answer from God's word does not in any way invalidate the answer.
This is the heart of the matter and God gave us all free will to choose.

The 'ball earthers' indeed have done the following:
Devalue God's words with such phrases as "man's perspective" which imputes that God told untruths, which opposes Scripture.
They have claimed that FE are deceived by satan.
They mock those who hold to the very words of God denying a spinning globe earth = see Joshua and the sun and moon stopping.
They have not yielded forth a single scripture that supports a spinning water ball earth.
They deny the Laws that God created and spoke of in His word such as: Sun, Moon and Stars have a Ordered Circuit.
They deny the fact that God created water whereby it always seeks it's own level and is a scientific proven fact that it is impossible for oceans to curve on a ball earth.

You choose whom you will believe and their is a price to pay for believing Truth in opposition to the world and those in Babylon.

 

[Dino246]

The 'ball earthers' indeed have done the following:
Devalue God's words with such phrases as "man's perspective" which imputes that God told untruths, which opposes Scripture.
They have claimed that FE are deceived by satan.

Your hypocrisy is shameful...

They deny the fact that God created water whereby it always seeks it's own level and is a scientific proven fact that it is impossible for oceans to curve on a ball earth.

as is your ignorance of basic physics.

 

[EliB]

...or a Snicker's.

more likely a payday, or fruit cake.
we're all just fruits nuts and flakes

 

[Inquisitor]

You said: "Ultimately, it is not possible to prove anything, no matter how vast the evidence is"
That is contrary to what God has said.

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness.
For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.
Romans 1:18-20

That is a fact and that is Life.

You cannot prove what you just said.

People will believe whatever they want to believe.

Belief and proof are two very different words, but ultimately, that belief matters.

What I posted was not contrary to what God said.

It is a simple fact of life that people will believe, what they believe, regardless of the evidence.

I can muster sufficient evidence that the resurrection actually happened. What percentage of the population would believe in the resurrection. These days, probably less than 1% of the population.

 

[Webers.Home]

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Some years ago, I took an interest in star gazing, and anon an interest in
astronomical mathematics. Well; I got as far as Algebra 1 and plane
Geometry in high school but soon discovered that flat math is insufficient for
plotting the paths of heavenly objects. For that, I needed to teach myself
some elements of spherical Geometry; which up till then, didn't even know
existed.

This was back in the days prior to home computers and electronic
calculators. So first I had to round up a good quality slide rule, and then
tables of logarithms and trigonometric functions. I was totally baffled while
simultaneously thoroughly fascinated by it all.

Well, in time I did learn to use the slide rule, and how to work with logs and
trig functions, which came in handy when I took an interest in navigation after
running across a military surplus bubble sextant in a junk shop.

The thing is: when calculating the miles between two distant points on the
surface of the Earth, plane Geometry doesn't work because the path
between the points is arched.

For instance: How might we calculate the shortest distance on the surface of
the Earth between San Diego California and Boise Idaho? Well, the distance
cannot be calculated with plane Geometry; it has to be calculated with
spherical Geometry because we're dealing with the circumference of a circle
whose focal point is the center of the Earth.

It's the same with heavenly objects. They don't cross the sky in straight
lines, rather their paths trace arcs which are very noticeable the closer one
gets to the poles; so we have to deal with the night sky as a dome rather than
a disk.
_

 

[DavidTree]

You cannot prove what you just said.

People will believe whatever they want to believe.

Belief and proof are two very different words, but ultimately, that belief matters.

What I posted was not contrary to what God said.

It is a simple fact of life that people will believe, what they believe, regardless of the evidence.

I can muster sufficient evidence that the resurrection actually happened. What percentage of the population would believe in the resurrection. These days, probably less than 1% of the population.

i do not have to prove God's word = all i need to do is trust it and you will greatly benefit from doing also.

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness.
For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.
Romans 1:18-20

That is a fact and that is Life = whether you believe it or not.

 

[Inquisitor]

i do not have to prove God's word = all i need to do is trust it and you will greatly benefit from doing also.

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness.
For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.
Romans 1:18-20

That is a fact and that is Life = whether you believe it or not.

No it's not life. That is a quote from Romans.

These verses are about the true life and how to gain that life.

John 3:15
So that everyone who believes will have eternal life in Him.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:18
The one who believes in Him is not judged; the one who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 3:36
The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

John 6:35
Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; the one who comes to Me will not be hungry, and the one who believes in Me will never be thirsty.

John 6:40
For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.

John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who believes has eternal life.

John 7:38
The one who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water'.

John 11:25
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; the one who believes in Me will live, even if he dies,

John 11:26
And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?

John 12:44
Now Jesus cried out and said, “The one who believes in Me, does not believe only in Me, but also in Him who sent Me.

 

[Magenta]

I finally voted. Other, I'll explain . . . slightly ovoid. The equator bulges, the poles flatten.

o·void
/ˈōˌvoid/

adjective: ovoid

(of a solid or a three-dimensional surface) egg-shaped.

 

[Magenta]

i do not have to prove God's word = all i need to do is trust it and you will greatly benefit from doing also.

God's Word does not say the world is flat, and you will greatly benefit from acknowledging that fact.

 

[DavidTree]

No it's not life. That is a quote from Romans.

These verses are about the true life and how to gain that life.

John 3:15
So that everyone who believes will have eternal life in Him.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:18
The one who believes in Him is not judged; the one who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 3:36
The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

John 6:35
Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; the one who comes to Me will not be hungry, and the one who believes in Me will never be thirsty.

John 6:40
For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.

John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who believes has eternal life.

John 7:38
The one who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water'.

John 11:25
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; the one who believes in Me will live, even if he dies,

John 11:26
And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?

John 12:44
Now Jesus cried out and said, “The one who believes in Me, does not believe only in Me, but also in Him who sent Me.

ALL of God's words are LIFE

Jesus, who is the Life says: It is written, man shall not live by bread alone but by every word of God.

Excellent verses you posted - thank you

 

[crossnote]

John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth him (that the world is round or flat or flound) should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[DavidTree]

God's Word does not say the world is flat, and you will greatly benefit from acknowledging that fact.

We all benefit from "believing every word that proceeds from the mouth of God" = Matt 4:4

The lie from Egypt and Babylon is a spinning ball earth which is contrary to God's word = the earth does not spin and orbit the sun.

The scriptures have been presented to you. It is your free will to do with them what you choose.

No one has brought forth a single scripture to contradict what God has spoken of a stationary earth where the sun, moon and stars move in a ordained circuit created and governed by God's will/laws.

Peace and Good Nite my Sister in the Love of Christ

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Gen 1 ESV

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years,​

15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. 16 And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. 17 And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good

Genesis 14 "to separate the day from the night"

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"The lesser light to rule the night" Genesis​

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The cycle we experience was established by God on the 4th Creation day. For us. The beautiy we observe in nature
is a witness to the truth of The Bible.

 

[tourist]

They deny the fact that God created water whereby it always seeks it's own level and is a scientific proven fact that it is impossible for oceans to curve on a ball earth.

Water does indeed seek its own level. It is not however a scientific fact that it is impossible for oceans to curve on a ball earth. The evidence suggests otherwise.

 

[DavidTree]

Water does indeed seek its own level. It is not however a scientific fact that it is impossible for oceans to curve on a ball earth. The evidence suggests otherwise.

lol = there is zero, nada, absolutely NO evidence of water curving off of LEVEL.

The oceans, seas remain at SEA LEVEL and always remains true 24/7 everywhere on earth.
The only disturbance is from Waves, Wind, earthquakes and even with that the water is always seeking its own level 24/7.

Water everywhere on earth can be observed 24/7 seeking it's own level.

Look at the clear evidence that God placed in front of us 24/7.

Look at the World Record long distance photographs that obliterate the lie of the ball earth.

 

[DavidTree]

Gen 1 ESV

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years,​

15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. 16 And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. 17 And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good

Genesis 14 "to separate the day from the night"

​

"The lesser light to rule the night" Genesis​

​

The cycle we experience was established by God on the 4th Creation day. For us. The beautiy we observe in nature
is a witness to the truth of The Bible.

YES, God did create and establish Truth which is not what you are showing here.

Amazing TRUTH = i observe the Moon is it's own light just as God said and we can observe this when the sun and moon are out in the sky together where the earth cannot cast a shadow on the moon.
The moon phases are not from what you have shown in this post.

 

[crossnote]

I think someone needs to explain…

”What difference does it make?”