Is the first resurrection divided into two groups?
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You have me laughing in AGREEMENT with you since we both AGREE on the very same Scripture.
This is good friendly laughter because we know each other and love each other - good healthy banter.
You said: "we bear the natural Mans image on earth in this present life the natural man dies like Adam. What is raised up is a spiritual body meant to live in the spiritual realm of God with angels and the spirits of just Men made perfect through Christ."
AGREE 100%
Make sure we meet in out Glorified Bodies - Amen
This is good friendly laughter because we know each other and love each other - good healthy banter.
You said: "we bear the natural Mans image on earth in this present life the natural man dies like Adam. What is raised up is a spiritual body meant to live in the spiritual realm of God with angels and the spirits of just Men made perfect through Christ."
AGREE 100%
Make sure we meet in out Glorified Bodies - Amen
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The conversations are meandering a bit, but I think that’s necessary sometimes. The Bible is interwoven and one question often leads to investigating many other questions.
Can you try answering the first post in this thread regarding my original question? Then we can just go from there.
Can you try answering the first post in this thread regarding my original question? Then we can just go from there.
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That’s not true. In king Nebuchadnezzar’s dream, the statue in its entirety was smashed by the meteor which was Christ, then the meteor became a mountain that “filled the whole earth”. So the MK couldn’t be a small enclave, it must be worldwide.
Pastor Brandon taught something about that in a sermon. According to his interpretation, the MK is a kingdom of everlasting peace and prosperity, a literal utopia; however, when Satan is released out of the lurch like he appeared in Gen. 3, many of those supposed “saints” are deceived like Eve - even though they have reigned with Christ for a thousand years, they still prefer Satan. The point is that evil is not the just result of destitution, poverty, broken family or traumatic experience, it’s human nature encoded in the genes. That’s one hell of an interpretation, although I still hold that with a grain of salt.
Pastor Brandon taught something about that in a sermon. According to his interpretation, the MK is a kingdom of everlasting peace and prosperity, a literal utopia; however, when Satan is released out of the lurch like he appeared in Gen. 3, many of those supposed “saints” are deceived like Eve - even though they have reigned with Christ for a thousand years, they still prefer Satan. The point is that evil is not the just result of destitution, poverty, broken family or traumatic experience, it’s human nature encoded in the genes. That’s one hell of an interpretation, although I still hold that with a grain of salt.
For sure brothers can disagree at times what makes them brothers is they don’t make it bitter they love each other even in strife .
haha yeah sometimes it just takes time before we see what we’re saying both ways.
to simplify
My belief is there are two resurrections what I’m seeing is through this prism as I look at all of scripture
Those included in the present or first resurrection beginning just after Christ rose and lasting until even now
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
those in the last resurrection
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
John 12:48 KJV
These folks not all are damned some are written on the book of life , they just never accepted the word in life and came to repentance fully so they are raised up here ( the dead or sleeping in Christ ) along with all the dead
“And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
Revelation 20:12-15 KJV
Some are alive in Christ and never die by his word , they accept the judgement now in this life and repent . others die in Christ and will be raised in the last day by his word.
but it’s only my own opinion it’s not me trying to create any doctrine or anything and not saying I’m right and anyone else is wrong
I see both resurrections in John 5 one present one at the end
haha yeah sometimes it just takes time before we see what we’re saying both ways.
to simplify
My belief is there are two resurrections what I’m seeing is through this prism as I look at all of scripture
Those included in the present or first resurrection beginning just after Christ rose and lasting until even now
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
those in the last resurrection
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
John 12:48 KJV
These folks not all are damned some are written on the book of life , they just never accepted the word in life and came to repentance fully so they are raised up here ( the dead or sleeping in Christ ) along with all the dead
“And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
Revelation 20:12-15 KJV
Some are alive in Christ and never die by his word , they accept the judgement now in this life and repent . others die in Christ and will be raised in the last day by his word.
but it’s only my own opinion it’s not me trying to create any doctrine or anything and not saying I’m right and anyone else is wrong
I see both resurrections in John 5 one present one at the end
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haha me too I’m always partly lost so don’t feel Too Out of place
discussions sometimes go to unexpected places where some aren’t willing to go or don’t find it useful to go but it’s just the nature of discussion of some of the deeper and more mysterious parts of scripture
Nothing essential in my opinion
discussions sometimes go to unexpected places where some aren’t willing to go or don’t find it useful to go but it’s just the nature of discussion of some of the deeper and more mysterious parts of scripture
Nothing essential in my opinion
Man, I hate the term "Holy Ghost", definitely the worst translation of the entire KJV. Everytime I spot it I frown at it. Ghost is universally associated with dead people - even in the historical context of the bible itself. When Jesus appeared to His disciples in His resurrected body, doubting Thomas thought he was seeing things. And what things did he see? A Holy Ghost. In other words, a hullucination of a dead Jesus instead of the new body of a risen Jesus. KJV is true and faithful in every other way except this. It gives you the wrong impression that dead people's "ghosts" are out and about, seeking to reincarnate in new bodies. That's the core belief in Eastern mysticism, not Christianity.
yep no matter what we actually do understand it’s just a drop on the bucket of what’s there . I think that’s what eventually comes to all of us through study.
the understanding we can know is foind in Christ and the gospel of sort of guides is through the rest in my opinion and as we’re able to grasp it it grows and grows but it’s never going to be complete until we’re home with the lord
seeking him is what faith truly is about not what we already know but seeking his life in us
the understanding we can know is foind in Christ and the gospel of sort of guides is through the rest in my opinion and as we’re able to grasp it it grows and grows but it’s never going to be complete until we’re home with the lord
seeking him is what faith truly is about not what we already know but seeking his life in us
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All words and terms have connotations. When words are controlled, minds are controlled. That's why communists are so dedicated at corrupting language by redefining words. In this case, it's not how the world associates term, but the bible itself. In many instances in the OT it was accurately translated as "Spirit", such as "the Spirit of God was hovering above the waters," "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever," "I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh", but somehow when it comes to the third aspect of the godhead (or third person of the trinity), it became "Holy Ghost".
Yes, we all know that bible shall not be interpreted literally, phrases like "add one cubit to his statue", "through the eye of a needle", even "no one knows the day or the hour" are all cultural references that point to specific things which everyone was familiar with at the time, but they don't have much negative connotation, it's easy to figure out the true meaning - "add one day in your lifetime", "through a narrow stone gate" and "Feast of Trumpets on the sighting of new moon". "Holy Ghost", on the other hand, has completely butchered the definition of this life-giving power, and left with a huge legacy in bible theology and the English language. It's just my rambling, hope you don't mind.
Yes, we all know that bible shall not be interpreted literally, phrases like "add one cubit to his statue", "through the eye of a needle", even "no one knows the day or the hour" are all cultural references that point to specific things which everyone was familiar with at the time, but they don't have much negative connotation, it's easy to figure out the true meaning - "add one day in your lifetime", "through a narrow stone gate" and "Feast of Trumpets on the sighting of new moon". "Holy Ghost", on the other hand, has completely butchered the definition of this life-giving power, and left with a huge legacy in bible theology and the English language. It's just my rambling, hope you don't mind.
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“Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.”
Mark 10:15 KJV
Little children don’t know anything until thier father begins teaching them. In some ways we need to forget what we thought we knew and start fresh with Jesus it’s truly where we are born there is milk for the young ones
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
John 3:16 KJV
and the beginnings of solid food when it’s time
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
and then meet and potatoes by which our bones get strong and legs strengthen to walk
“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
Luke 6:46-49 KJV
We can’t eat the solid food until we are made strong by the Milk and can’t eat the meat and potatoes until we get used to solid foods but we all belong to him when we come to him as little ones
lifelong process but we can rest easy in him all the way through unless he begins to press us forward if we become complacent
Mark 10:15 KJV
Little children don’t know anything until thier father begins teaching them. In some ways we need to forget what we thought we knew and start fresh with Jesus it’s truly where we are born there is milk for the young ones
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
John 3:16 KJV
and the beginnings of solid food when it’s time
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
and then meet and potatoes by which our bones get strong and legs strengthen to walk
“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
Luke 6:46-49 KJV
We can’t eat the solid food until we are made strong by the Milk and can’t eat the meat and potatoes until we get used to solid foods but we all belong to him when we come to him as little ones
lifelong process but we can rest easy in him all the way through unless he begins to press us forward if we become complacent
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yeah we have to also follow what’s priorly said in those chapters to see how God identifies his people
“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:
but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
Romans 9:6-8 KJV
“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:26-29 KJV
just as gentile and Jew aren’t seperated any Jew would Have to convert to the new birth found in Christ and the gospel like all the early church did being former Jews
ishmael was a son of Abraham the first born , but he was cast out of abrahams house and received no inheritance . Isaac was counted as the only begotten though he was the second born bekng the son of promise .
God identifies Israel through the spirit not the flesh since they crucified the messiah in the flesh
“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:
but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
Romans 9:6-8 KJV
“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:26-29 KJV
just as gentile and Jew aren’t seperated any Jew would Have to convert to the new birth found in Christ and the gospel like all the early church did being former Jews
ishmael was a son of Abraham the first born , but he was cast out of abrahams house and received no inheritance . Isaac was counted as the only begotten though he was the second born bekng the son of promise .
God identifies Israel through the spirit not the flesh since they crucified the messiah in the flesh