Is the first resurrection divided into two groups?

[Pilgrimshope]

I can't say that Bible led me to Jesus, because it was usually friends and family that initially lead people to Him, then music and sermons. And when you listen to music and sermons, you get all these different ideas of Jesus. That's because we all have our own deeply rooted views and values - including all of these above that I listed and you LOLed at. Most people tend to read the bible through the lens of these views and values instead of re-examining their views and values through the lens of the bible. In other words, they're trying to fit God into the box they've built, even though God was out of the box which He personally instructed Moses to build. With a closed mind, you always look for affirmation when you think you are looking for information. Therefore, these versions of Jesus are developed as a marketing strategy to cater to different audiences.

no I laughed because you thought I knew already what you were saying and I didn’t understand what you had said brother 🙂 I’m not that smart honestly sometimes it takes a minute lol

so your saying people distort what’s in the Bible but preach it as if it’s in the Bible and that creates a different Jesus that appeals to peoples itching ears ?

like through music and personal
Opinion ect ?

I think I understand what you were saying now if that’s basically it , makes sense now what you were saying. And agree that’s an issue

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

no I laughed because you thought I knew already what you were saying and I didn’t understand what you had said brother 🙂 I’m not that smart honestly sometimes it takes a minute lol

so your saying people distort what’s in the Bible but preach it as if it’s in the Bible and that creates a different Jesus that appeals to peoples itching ears ?

like through music and personal
Opinion ect ?

I think I understand what you were saying now if that’s basically it , makes sense now what you were saying. And agree that’s an issue

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus spoke in a way that particularly challenged many old traditions and doctrines: "You've heard .... but I say unto you ...." That may not be what His audience liked to hear, and it naturally met with resistance and defense, but that's what they NEEDED to hear. What we get these days is often the opposite, many use the pulpit as a platform and Jesus as an authority figure to promote their own politics, audience get what they like to hear instead of what they need to hear. You hear the pastor or the guest speaker spend a lot of time and talking loudly and passionately about politics or self-help or personal experience, you get pumped up in that vibe, but at the end, you've hardly learned anything new from the Bible. That's why I mentioned messianic Jews, not because they're inherently superior in anyway, but they're familiar with those Jewish cultural background and less influenced by those church doctrines and traditions, and they do seem to know better about the OT, especially when it comes to the Torah, the foundation of the entire bible.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus spoke in a way that particularly challenged many old traditions and doctrines: "You've heard .... but I say unto you ...." That may not be what His audience liked to hear, and it naturally met with resistance and defense, but that's what they NEEDED to hear. What we get these days is often the opposite, many use the pulpit as a platform and Jesus as an authority figure to promote their own politics, audience get what they like to hear instead of what they need to hear. You hear the pastor or the guest speaker spend a lot of time and talking loudly and passionately about politics or self-help or personal experience, you get pumped up in that vibe, but at the end, you've hardly learned anything new from the Bible. That's why I mentioned messianic Jews, not because they're inherently superior in anyway, but they're familiar with those Jewish cultural background and less influenced by those church doctrines and traditions, and they do seem to know better about the OT, especially when it comes to the Torah, the foundation of the entire bible.

“Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus spoke in a way that particularly challenged many old traditions and doctrines: "You've heard .... but I say unto you ...." That may not be what His audience liked to hear, and it naturally met with resistance and defense, but that's what they NEEDED to hear.”

amen he had foretold them this

“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.

My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats why Jesus repeatedly said “ hear me and you will live” believe in me and you will live “ I am the only Way “”
My words will never pass away “ and why the apostles taught “Jesus is the same forever “
Ect….

“What we get these days is often the opposite, many use the pulpit as a platform and Jesus as an authority figure to promote their own politics, audience get what they like to hear instead of what they need to hear.”

Amen , almost always , or just a message that gives false security designed literally to teach that Jesus words aren’t for you like Paul Ellis and Joseph prince

“That's why I mentioned messianic Jews, not because they're inherently superior in anyway, but they're familiar with those Jewish cultural background and less influenced by those church doctrines and traditions, and they do seem to know better about the OT, especially when it comes to the Torah, the foundation of the entire bible.”

ah ok makes sense why you said that
what do you mean by “Messianic Jews “ is that a Jew who accepts Christ and believes the gospel ?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Thank ye all for suffering with me. I was getting used to my witness being taken at 50% discount and yous go and gave it full consideration

Haha

always ! consideration of others is key for us to get outside our own mind and hear things we have not recognized or maybe wouldn’t have unless a brother or sister shared it. We’re meant to do that.

I can’t afford 50 percent discounts but always looking to fully consider free stuff 😅

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Democrat and republican ? I’m not really much into politics since the 80s So I’m not really keen on what your getting at

what do you mean when you say messianic jews ?

I'm no longer into politics, but I was really hyped at it during Obama and Trump years, totally guilty of idolatry. Every high-profile conservative personality was like a modern day prophet speaking truth to power, and Trump was like a messiah, his presidency was like his ministry. However, all of that was ruined on Jan. 6. That was the biggest redpill more potent than any previous redpills that Trump had dispensed. If you're not familiar with it, then I'll make it simple: Democrats are hardcore commies, Republicans are shills for big corporations, both are globalists pushing for UN agenda, neither is for the wellbeing of their constituents.

Although it has been a stereotype for most people that democrats are godless atheists while republicans are the good and faithful Christians, nothing can be further from the truth, because as I said, both are using Jesus as an authory figure to push their own agenda. A Democrat Jesus is a socialist who fed the 5000 and then the 4000, who gave free healthcare to the sick, who came up against the rich fool and the rich young ruler for serving money, who stood up for the socially and racially oppressed minorities; A Replican Jesus is a capitalist who distributed talents according to each one's ability, who defended property rights when Judas was outraged at Mary Bethany annointed His feet with the fragrance, who loved kids and upheld traditional marriage, who taught to abide the law and pay taxes, and most importantly, who eviscerated the elites for their hypocrisy, which is commonly known today as "virtue signaling". You see, all of these examples are true events from the gospels, but they're fit into the speaker's own narrative, and the message they preach is deviated from the original gospel.

what do you mean by “Messianic Jews “ is that a Jew who accepts Christ and believes the gospel ?

Yes，exactly, Jews who finally acknowledge their true messiah.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I'm no longer into politics, but I was really hyped at it during Obama and Trump years, totally guilty of idolatry. Every high-profile conservative personality was like a modern day prophet speaking truth to power, and Trump was like a messiah, his presidency was like his ministry. However, all of that was ruined on Jan. 6. That was the biggest redpill more potent than any previous redpills that Trump had dispensed. If you're not familiar with it, then I'll make it simple: Democrats are hardcore commies, Republicans are shills for big corporations, both are globalists pushing for UN agenda, neither is for the wellbeing of their constituents.

Although it has been a stereotype for most people that democrats are godless atheists while republicans are the good and faithful Christians, nothing can be further from the truth, because as I said, both are using Jesus as an authory figure to push their own agenda. A Democrat Jesus is a socialist who fed the 5000 and then the 4000, who gave free healthcare to the sick, who came up against the rich fool and the rich young ruler for serving money, who stood up for the socially and racially oppressed minorities; A Replican Jesus is a capitalist who distributed talents according to each one's ability, who defended property rights when Judas was outraged at Mary Bethany annointed His feet with the fragrance, who loved kids and upheld traditional marriage, who taught to abide the law and pay taxes, and most importantly, who eviscerated the elites for their hypocrisy, which is commonly known today as "virtue signaling". You see, all of these examples are true events from the gospels, but they're fit into the speaker's own narrative, and the message they preach is deviated from the original gospel.

yeah all I know about politics now days is joe Biden can’t finish a sentence and he’s destroying our alliances over seas , also giving out so much free money he is causing massive inflation. And extremely high taxes are coming later.

I have noticed the morals of the democrats these days is a big reason our country is so chaotic and strange and the morality is just plummeting.

I’m waiting for Democrats to come up with a “pc Bible “ which explains gender neutrality , global warming and gay rights somewhere in Moses law… politics is depressing when I do notice it on the news or something just takes it out of my spirit to see what we’re becoming

but I liked the good ole days lol so

“Yes，exactly, Jews who finally acknowledge their true messiah.”

and okay I see what you meant by messianic Jews now thanks for bearing with me on that one.

thanks for the conversation brother God bless and keep you in his light and love

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

yeah all I know about politics now days is joe Biden can’t finish a sentence and he’s destroying our alliances over seas , also giving out so much free money he is causing massive inflation. And extremely high taxes are coming later.

I have noticed the morals of the democrats these days is a big reason our country is so chaotic and strange and the morality is just plummeting.

I’m waiting for Democrats to come up with a “pc Bible “ which explains gender neutrality , global warming and gay rights somewhere in Moses law… politics is depressing when I do notice it on the news or something just takes it out of my spirit to see what we’re becoming

but I liked the good ole days lol so

“Yes，exactly, Jews who finally acknowledge their true messiah.”

and okay I see what you meant by messianic Jews now thanks for bearing with me on that one.

thanks for the conversation brother God bless and keep you in his light and love

Yeah, you too. May God bless you and keep you, shine upon you and be gracious to you.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Revelation 20:4-5 KJV
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

I don’t see many people point this out, but it seems to be really important. Let me show you what I am seeing in Revelation 20:4-6, specifically. I bolded some of the text above.

1. Saints or church members who are martyred during the great tribulation period for their refusal to worship the beast or take his mark are resurrected and reign with Christ 1,000 years.

2. The rest of the dead did not come to life until after the 1,000 years were compete. Meaning they remained a disembodied soul during the 1,000 year reign of Christ.

In conclusion, what I see is that the first resurrection actually has two groups. The first group is martyred saints from the great tribulation who came to life for 1,000 years. The second group is all of the others saints who didn’t come to life until after 1,000 years.

Thanks for reading this.

The Bible speaks of the resurrection of the saved in the singular, always.
Matt 22:30 - At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
Luke 14:14 - and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.”
John 11:24 - Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

From these 3 verses, we see that there is 1 group of the resurrrection of the saved,

Paul makes this crystal clear in 1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

In this verse we see several things. First, Jesus is the first to receive a glorified body, hence the "first fruits".

Second, we see WHEN the singular resurrection will occur; "when He comes". So resurrection occurs "when He comes". How many times does Jesus come to earth in a prophetic way? Only 2; His birth, to become the Suffering Servant/Savior, and a Second Advent as King of kings. So it is clear that the singular resurrection of the saved occurs at His Second Advent.

Third, we see who will be involved in this singular resurrection; namely, "those who belong to Him". That would be EVERY saved person from Adam forward.

Given all this, now we can properly understand Rev 20:5 - 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

From v.4 we know that the martyred saints resurrect "when He comes back", as 1 Cor 15:23 says, and we know that ALL believers will be resurrected then. So, who does the "rest of the dead" refer to?

Since that cannot refer to believers, since ALL believers will be resurrected in the single resurrection at the Second Advent, it MUST refer to the resurrection of ALL unbelievers!!

How do we know that from Scripture?

Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. What Paul said here is clear; there will be a resurrection for the saved and a resurrection for the unsaved. That's 2 total.

So, since the resurrection at the Second Advent, noted in Rev 20:5 is the FIRST resurrection, we know that the resurrection of the unsaved is the SECOND resurrection. When does that one occur? To appear before the GWT judgment, 1,000 years after the FIRST resurrection.

 

[TheLearner]

start at #224

 

[TheLearner]

Revelation 20:4-5 KJV
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

I don’t see many people point this out, but it seems to be really important. Let me show you what I am seeing in Revelation 20:4-6, specifically. I bolded some of the text above.

1. Saints or church members who are martyred during the great tribulation period for their refusal to worship the beast or take his mark are resurrected and reign with Christ 1,000 years.

2. The rest of the dead did not come to life until after the 1,000 years were compete. Meaning they remained a disembodied soul during the 1,000 year reign of Christ.

In conclusion, what I see is that the first resurrection actually has two groups. The first group is martyred saints from the great tribulation who came to life for 1,000 years. The second group is all of the others saints who didn’t come to life until after 1,000 years.

Thanks for reading this.

Yes and No friend. In most texts like Matthew 25 there is one resurrection. In Rev 20 it looks like there may be two. I think one is more likely, and that unbelievers are living thru the 1,000 years.

This is just my opinion not scripture, nor worth debating.

 

[GaryA]

I’m saying the physical body is not what’s raised up. Look at what Paul’s saying here this is just if you keep reading on from where you stopped

“But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

….So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: it is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

The physical body is raised up. And then it is translated into the 'glorified' (spiritual) body - as part of the 'raising' process.

What ends up a spiritual body starts out with a physical body.

Both of the words 'it' in the big-and-bold above are referring to the same thing. The very same exact thing that is sown is the thing that is raised.

The whole idea of the resurrection is that the corruptable (and in fact corrupted) is raised incorruptable.

The resurrection is an event based in physical reality. It looses its meaning without the physical body being raised up.

 

[Runningman]

The Bible speaks of the resurrection of the saved in the singular, always.
Matt 22:30 - At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
Luke 14:14 - and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.”
John 11:24 - Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

From these 3 verses, we see that there is 1 group of the resurrrection of the saved,

Paul makes this crystal clear in 1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

In this verse we see several things. First, Jesus is the first to receive a glorified body, hence the "first fruits".

Second, we see WHEN the singular resurrection will occur; "when He comes". So resurrection occurs "when He comes". How many times does Jesus come to earth in a prophetic way? Only 2; His birth, to become the Suffering Servant/Savior, and a Second Advent as King of kings. So it is clear that the singular resurrection of the saved occurs at His Second Advent.

Third, we see who will be involved in this singular resurrection; namely, "those who belong to Him". That would be EVERY saved person from Adam forward.

Given all this, now we can properly understand Rev 20:5 - 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

From v.4 we know that the martyred saints resurrect "when He comes back", as 1 Cor 15:23 says, and we know that ALL believers will be resurrected then. So, who does the "rest of the dead" refer to?

Since that cannot refer to believers, since ALL believers will be resurrected in the single resurrection at the Second Advent, it MUST refer to the resurrection of ALL unbelievers!!

How do we know that from Scripture?

Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. What Paul said here is clear; there will be a resurrection for the saved and a resurrection for the unsaved. That's 2 total.

So, since the resurrection at the Second Advent, noted in Rev 20:5 is the FIRST resurrection, we know that the resurrection of the unsaved is the SECOND resurrection. When does that one occur? To appear before the GWT judgment, 1,000 years after the FIRST resurrection.

Hey glad you commented here!

The way I see it is that we are not given precise timelines. While I agree with most of what you said, I don't think it is conclusive and that your scriptures ultimately require that those who are Christ's at His coming be a singular group. Let me explain that, if possible, briefly.

-Jesus said below that the hour is coming where the dead will hear His voice, come out of their graves, and they will come forth to the resurrection of life and damnation. And oversimplified view of these two verses may lead one to conclude that at a singular hour that all of the dead will be resurrected in one single group...
John 5:25,29 KJV
25Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

-When actually Revelation 20:5 says that there is a 1,000 year gap between two resurrection groups not an hour...
Revelation 20:5 KJV
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

-Daniel begins to introduce the possibility, using the words "many of them", to describe the resurrections, making it possible to see the first resurrection as multiple groups since he didn't say "all of them..."
Daniel 12:2 KJV
2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

-This says that Christ will resurrect those that are His at His coming, then comes the end, but the definite article the end, is only when the kingdom is delivered up to the Father of Christ., after he has put down all rule and authority and power...
1 Corinthians 15:23-24 KJV
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

-If the resurrection is Revelation 20:5 is the resurrection of the damned after 1,000 years then when why are there still living wicked people when Satan is released from prison after 1,000 years and is running amok?
-As evidenced again by Revelation 20, there is still some authority and power to put down. After the 1,000 millennial kingdom, Satan is out of prison and goes out to deceives the nations and produces a huge army...
Revelation 20:7-8 KJV
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

If Revelation 20:5 is the resurrection of the damned, then there is still a world of living and breathing unbelievers in Revelation 20:7-8 which would mean there would need to be yet another resurrection of the damned after they are defeated with fire from heaven.

Really what I am trying to get you to see here is that the timelines are not precise and there is room to conclude that Revelation 20:5 is the second part of the first resurrection, even likely. As Daniel 12:2 says, "many of them" and not "all of them." So think about that. If you made it to here then thanks for reading.

 

[GaryA]

-Jesus said below that the hour is coming where the dead will hear His voice, come out of their graves, and they will come forth to the resurrection of life and damnation. And oversimplified view of these two verses may lead one to conclude that at a singular hour that all of the dead will be resurrected in one single group...
John 5:25,29 KJV
25Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

You are putting these two verses together in a mixed-context way that is not valid. Verse 25 is talking about spiritually dead people believing on God/Jesus unto life/salvation. Verse 29 is talking about the post-millenial pre-GWTJ resurrection.

 

[Runningman]

You are putting these two verses together in a mixed-context way that is not valid. Verse 25 is talking about spiritually dead people believing on God/Jesus unto life/salvation. Verse 29 is talking about the post-millenial pre-GWTJ resurrection.

The context of John 5:25-29 is about "the dead in their graves" having a bodily resurrection. A broader examination of the scriptures requires that the "hour" not be a literal single instance of 60 minutes. Actually, there is 1,000 years between both groups in the first resurrection.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

You are putting these two verses together in a mixed-context way that is not valid. Verse 25 is talking about spiritually dead people believing on God/Jesus unto life/salvation. Verse 29 is talking about the post-millenial pre-GWTJ resurrection.

These two verses are NOT separated. There's no "mixed context". 5:29 is obviously about the afterlife, that both believers and unbelievers will be resurrected, but with opposite outcomes - believers receive eternal life, unbelievers receive eternal condemnation. But who are the believers and who are the unbelievers? The answer is that NONE is a believer, ALL are unbelievers. We're all dead in our trespasses and on our way to the grave - until we come alive by hearing and heeding His voice, as it is said in 5:25. Your spiritual condition in your earthly life decides your fate in your afterlife, you'll just go down the same trajectory which you've already set.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The physical body is raised up. And then it is translated into the 'glorified' (spiritual) body - as part of the 'raising' process.

What ends up a spiritual body starts out with a physical body.

Both of the words 'it' in the big-and-bold above are referring to the same thing. The very same exact thing that is sown is the thing that is raised.

The whole idea of the resurrection is that the corruptable (and in fact corrupted) is raised incorruptable.

The resurrection is an event based in physical reality. It looses its meaning without the physical body being raised up.

“The physical body is raised up.”

“But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? ….it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:35, 44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when these men were raised up , was it thier natural body ? Or the spiritual one that is raised up ?

“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:52-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if you look at a natural body when it dies it decays and rots away and returns to the earthly matter it’s made of it becomes fluids and seeps back into the earth God created it from that’s what the Bible says will Happen to it

so we’re they skeletons ? Or we’re they raised up in tbier spiritual body , which doesn’t decay and return to dust but returns to God who gave it at creation ?
remember how the New Testament is about spirit and how it states the flesh is nothing. Maybe the spiritual body isn’t what we’re picturing it to be from movies just an invisible ghost ? Maybe there’s more to it than that ?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The physical body is raised up. And then it is translated into the 'glorified' (spiritual) body - as part of the 'raising' process.

What ends up a spiritual body starts out with a physical body.

Both of the words 'it' in the big-and-bold above are referring to the same thing. The very same exact thing that is sown is the thing that is raised.

The whole idea of the resurrection is that the corruptable (and in fact corrupted) is raised incorruptable.

The resurrection is an event based in physical reality. It looses its meaning without the physical body being raised up.

“The very same exact thing that is sown is the thing that is raised.”


“But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: and that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:35-37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he’s like king it to a seed , when you die it’s like a seed has died the seed is gone now it’s now irrelevant because it has produced life.

our body is like a seed ( not try literal
Planting in the ground but entrance into death) when we die the body made for this earth is gone now like a seed planted and eventually does but it’s propose was to produce the living plant, the spiritual body is the plant the seed is the earthly body

Paul Was answering this question for us all we have to do is accept it , there’s a body we dwell In on this earth , inside is a spirit made for the spiritual realms after death , heaven , hell ect

“And it came to pass, that the beggar died, ( earthly body) and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom spiritual body )

the rich man also died, and was buried; ( earthly body)

and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. ( spiritual bkdy )

And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:22-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This body we know now is destined to return to the material It’s created from . the spiritual body goes into the spiritual places we can’t see with natiral Eyes. to await the judgement if so they reject the first resurrection by which they pass through death in Christ and never die.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

“The physical body is raised up.”

“But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? ….it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:35, 44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when these men were raised up , was it thier natural body ? Or the spiritual one that is raised up ?

“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:52-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if you look at a natural body when it dies it decays and rots away and returns to the earthly matter it’s made of it becomes fluids and seeps back into the earth God created it from that’s what the Bible says will Happen to it

so we’re they skeletons ? Or we’re they raised up in tbier spiritual body , which doesn’t decay and return to dust but returns to God who gave it at creation ?
remember how the New Testament is about spirit and how it states the flesh is nothing. Maybe the spiritual body isn’t what we’re picturing it to be from movies just an invisible ghost ? Maybe there’s more to it than that ?

All will have a celestrial body made suitable for a celestrial world. Just to think about it in this way: Imagine this cosmos we're living in as a virtual game world, God is the sole designer and developer of it, and we're just characters made of data. He's OUTSIDE, and yet with the ability to intercede. There's actually a scientific term for this game world called "time-space continuum", and God and His angels are maintaining it from the OUTSIDE. God was able to "speak" anything into existence like a programmer writing lines of codes and turning those codes into active programs. When our lives come to an end, we just return to our Maker, by then we'll be outside of this time-space continuum as well.

 

[Runningman]

All will have a celestrial body made suitable for a celestrial world. Just to think about it in this way: Imagine this cosmos we're living in as a virtual game world, God is the sole designer and developer of it, and we're just characters made of data. He's OUTSIDE, and yet with the ability to intercede. There's actually a scientific term for this game world called "time-space continuum", and God and His angels are maintaining it from the OUTSIDE. God was able to "speak" anything into existence like a programmer writing lines of codes and turning those codes into active programs. When our lives come to an end, we just return to our Maker, by then we'll be outside of this time-space continuum as well.

I have to say I love the way you illustrated this in a way that is easy to understand in relative terms. As a programmer I often think of our existence in this way. I see our world as brilliantly designed and God as an outside influencer controlling our environment. Your explanation really resonates with me and it's very logical!

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I have to say I love the way you illustrated this in a way that is easy to understand in relative terms. As a programmer I often think of our existence in this way. I see our world as brilliantly designed and God as an outside influencer controlling our environment. Your explanation really resonates with me and it's very logical!

Thanks, I learned about that from an interview on Timcast IRL with Dailywire CEO Jeremy Boreing. They had a casual chat over a couple of topics, and it moved to God in the last segment. Tim Pool is an independent journalist, he was not raised a Christian and his show is never meant to be religous in anyway, but they seemed to understand the nature of God better than many Christians do, even better than some pastors who always try to avoid the aspect of creation. Tim brought up this phylosophical question which you've probably heard at school - can God create a boulder that He couldn't lift up? This is a loaded question with a false premise. God never has to "lift up" any boulder, He could just remove it by deleting its data.