Is the first resurrection divided into two groups?
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well do you believe it’s in Jerusalem on mount sion ?
“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,”
Hebrews 12:22-23 KJV
notice that the so called millennium reign happens before this does ?
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
Revelation 21:1-2 KJV
So wouldnt it be worth considering that there is a heavenly Jerusalem where the kingdom is established ?
Simultaneous to the earthly Jerusalem which is in bondage and spiritual desolation ?
but that’s all I really have to say for consideration God bless
“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,”
Hebrews 12:22-23 KJV
notice that the so called millennium reign happens before this does ?
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
Revelation 21:1-2 KJV
So wouldnt it be worth considering that there is a heavenly Jerusalem where the kingdom is established ?
Simultaneous to the earthly Jerusalem which is in bondage and spiritual desolation ?
but that’s all I really have to say for consideration God bless
Who humbleth himself to behold the things that are in heaven,
and in the earth!”
Psalm 113:6
“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above,
not on things on the earth.”
Colossians 3:1-2 KJV
“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
Hebrews 12:22-24 KJV
“After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.”
Revelation 4:1-2
“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”
Revelation 7:4 KJV
“And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.”
Revelation 14:1 KJV
“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.”
Revelation 7:9-12 KJV
“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.
Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
Revelation 12:10-12 KJV
it seems as if there is a reign Happening in heaven while the earth is continuing on in a different state.
revelation remember happens when John is taken up to see things in heaven and also things that are happening in earth simultaneously even corresponding the thkngs in heaven , lead to the things on earth later. Even Jerusalem In heaven eventually comes to earth after the reign of 1000 years happens
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
Revelation 21:1-2 KJV
if the Riefn is Happening in Gods holy city upon mount sion where Christ is on the throne in the heavenly Jerusalem accompanied by angels and spirits of men made perfect it seems as if it may be worth considering it’s in heaven.
Where the kingdom has come and the power of Christ is enthroned and salvation is known and the jnhabitors have overcome Satans accusations by the blood of the lamb and word of thier testimony
just a thought
and in the earth!”
Psalm 113:6
“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above,
not on things on the earth.”
Colossians 3:1-2 KJV
“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
Hebrews 12:22-24 KJV
“After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.”
Revelation 4:1-2
“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”
Revelation 7:4 KJV
“And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.”
Revelation 14:1 KJV
“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.”
Revelation 7:9-12 KJV
“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.
Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
Revelation 12:10-12 KJV
it seems as if there is a reign Happening in heaven while the earth is continuing on in a different state.
revelation remember happens when John is taken up to see things in heaven and also things that are happening in earth simultaneously even corresponding the thkngs in heaven , lead to the things on earth later. Even Jerusalem In heaven eventually comes to earth after the reign of 1000 years happens
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
Revelation 21:1-2 KJV
if the Riefn is Happening in Gods holy city upon mount sion where Christ is on the throne in the heavenly Jerusalem accompanied by angels and spirits of men made perfect it seems as if it may be worth considering it’s in heaven.
Where the kingdom has come and the power of Christ is enthroned and salvation is known and the jnhabitors have overcome Satans accusations by the blood of the lamb and word of thier testimony
just a thought
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Yes I have heard of this interpretation, or a flavor of this interpretation, where the MK is spiritualized and there seems evidence to support that, too, as you just pointed out.
There also seems like there is good evidence that the MK is on earth and there are good reasons to say it’s on Earth as well. One of the most compelling reasons is that Gog and Magog are assembled after 1,000 years from all around the earth and are brought to war against the inhabitants of the Holy City per Revelation 20:7-8.
Jesus came and preached the gospel of the kingdom like Mark 1:14-15 says, and there a lot of other verses about this. Do you see that Jesus talked about His MK frequently?
So is it possible the MK will happen on Earth and in Heaven at the same time? It’s worth considering these verses:
Matthew 6:10
10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Jesus prayed for God’s will to be done on earth as it is in heaven. So is it possible Jesus meant that whatever God does in earth can possibly be a reflection of what is in heaven?
Remember, what Moses said:
Hebrews 8:4-5
4For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: 5Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, thatthou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
If the tabernacle was a copy of something in heaven, if the ark of the covenant is a copy of something in heaven, then maybe the millennial kingdom is also a copy of something in heaven?
John saw the temple and ark of the covenant in his vision of heaven:
Revelation 11:19
19And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Just something to think about.
There also seems like there is good evidence that the MK is on earth and there are good reasons to say it’s on Earth as well. One of the most compelling reasons is that Gog and Magog are assembled after 1,000 years from all around the earth and are brought to war against the inhabitants of the Holy City per Revelation 20:7-8.
Jesus came and preached the gospel of the kingdom like Mark 1:14-15 says, and there a lot of other verses about this. Do you see that Jesus talked about His MK frequently?
So is it possible the MK will happen on Earth and in Heaven at the same time? It’s worth considering these verses:
Matthew 6:10
10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Jesus prayed for God’s will to be done on earth as it is in heaven. So is it possible Jesus meant that whatever God does in earth can possibly be a reflection of what is in heaven?
Remember, what Moses said:
Hebrews 8:4-5
4For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: 5Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, thatthou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
If the tabernacle was a copy of something in heaven, if the ark of the covenant is a copy of something in heaven, then maybe the millennial kingdom is also a copy of something in heaven?
John saw the temple and ark of the covenant in his vision of heaven:
Revelation 11:19
19And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Just something to think about.
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Hi Oyster. As always, thank you for sharing your perspective.
Can we take a moment to define who the living and dead are in Christ? Because even those who are dead in Christ are actually alive and the living in Christ can be dead.
Do you agree that the dead in Christ are not resurrected and the living in Christ are resurrected? I get this belief from 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and Revelation 20:4-6.
Can we take a moment to define who the living and dead are in Christ? Because even those who are dead in Christ are actually alive and the living in Christ can be dead.
Do you agree that the dead in Christ are not resurrected and the living in Christ are resurrected? I get this belief from 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and Revelation 20:4-6.
yep definately always worth considering revelation is a book that ten people look at and find four or five different views of it.
I look at it sort of like “ let it be done on earth as it is in heaven “ one quick example
As it is in heaven
“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,”
Revelation 12:7
Be done on earth
“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
Revelation 12:17 KJV
I’m not claiming to be right just saying it’s worth considering like you are saying
I look at it sort of like “ let it be done on earth as it is in heaven “ one quick example
As it is in heaven
“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,”
Revelation 12:7
Be done on earth
“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
Revelation 12:17 KJV
I’m not claiming to be right just saying it’s worth considering like you are saying
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First group = Raptured + Beheaded Saints.
Second group= The Damned who await the White Throne Judgement.
The second group are not Saints. They are the Damned. They await the Second Resurrection (aka the Great White Throne Judgement).
Revelation
20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Second group= The Damned who await the White Throne Judgement.
The second group are not Saints. They are the Damned. They await the Second Resurrection (aka the Great White Throne Judgement).
Revelation
20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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What I see is that the first resurrection are those those beheaded saints for the first 1,000 years then after 1,000 years it's the rest of the dead [in Christ.] So the second group can't include the damned because the second death doesn't have power over them.
Those who go to the second death, by inference, would be those in the second resurrection. Even though it doesn't say "second resurrection", two is the next number after one, so that's where the idea of the second resurrection comes from.
Those who go to the second death, by inference, would be those in the second resurrection. Even though it doesn't say "second resurrection", two is the next number after one, so that's where the idea of the second resurrection comes from.
True, but it does say the second death doesn't have any power over those in the first resurrection so the second group must be Christians too. The main difference is they are not martyred in the great tribulation. I see the resurrection to reign with Christ for 1,000 years as a kind of bonus or special reward.
Hmm no I don't think so. There are two groups that are resurrected at different times. One group is just before or immediately at the beginning of the millennium and one is after the millennium and they're all saints. That's exactly what the OP says. Where did you see I am mixing up terms? If I did that then I didn't mean to, but please show me where I did that.