Is the Hebrew Roots Movement a cult?
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it ain't jews.
but you've been told that.
Question: "What is the Hebrew Roots movement?"
Answer: The premise of the Hebrew Roots movement is the belief that the Church has veered far from the true teachings and Hebrew concepts of the Bible. The movement maintains that Christianity has been indoctrinated with the culture and beliefs of Greek and Roman philosophy and that ultimately biblical Christianity, taught in churches today, has been corrupted with a pagan imitation of the New Testament gospels.
Those of the Hebrew Roots belief hold to the teaching that Christ's death on the cross did not end the Mosaic Covenant, but instead renewed it, expanded its message, and wrote it on the hearts of His true followers. They teach that the understanding of the New Testament can only come from a Hebrew perspective and that the teachings of the Apostle Paul are not understood clearly or taught correctly by Christian pastors today. Many affirm the existence of an original Hebrew-language New Testament and, in some cases, denigrate the existing New Testament text written in Greek. This becomes a subtle attack on the reliability of the text of our Bible. If the Greek text is unreliable and has been corrupted, as is charged by some, the Church no longer has a standard of truth.
Although there are many different and diverse Hebrew Roots assemblies with variations in their teachings, they all adhere to a common emphasis on recovering the "original" Jewishness of Christianity. Their assumption is that the Church has lost its Jewish roots and is unaware that Jesus and His disciples were Jews living in obedience to the Torah. For the most part, those involved advocate the need for every believer to walk a Torah-observant life. This means that the ordinances of the Mosaic Covenant must be a central focus in the lifestyle of believers today as it was with the Old Testament Jews of Israel. Keeping the Torah includes keeping the Sabbath on the seventh day of the week (Saturday), celebrating the Jewish feasts and festivals, keeping the dietary laws, avoiding the "paganism" of Christianity (Christmas, Easter, etc.), and learning to understand the Scriptures from a Hebrew mindset. They teach that Gentile Christians have been grafted into Israel, and this is one reason every born-again believer in Jesus the Messiah is to participate in these observances. It is expressed that doing this is not required out of legalistic bondage, but out of a heart of love and obedience. However, they teach that to live a life that pleases God, this Torah-observant walk must be part of that life.
The Hebrew Roots assemblies are often made up of a majority of Gentiles, including Gentile rabbis.
Read more: What is the Hebrew Roots movement?
but you've been told that.
Question: "What is the Hebrew Roots movement?"
Answer: The premise of the Hebrew Roots movement is the belief that the Church has veered far from the true teachings and Hebrew concepts of the Bible. The movement maintains that Christianity has been indoctrinated with the culture and beliefs of Greek and Roman philosophy and that ultimately biblical Christianity, taught in churches today, has been corrupted with a pagan imitation of the New Testament gospels.
Those of the Hebrew Roots belief hold to the teaching that Christ's death on the cross did not end the Mosaic Covenant, but instead renewed it, expanded its message, and wrote it on the hearts of His true followers. They teach that the understanding of the New Testament can only come from a Hebrew perspective and that the teachings of the Apostle Paul are not understood clearly or taught correctly by Christian pastors today. Many affirm the existence of an original Hebrew-language New Testament and, in some cases, denigrate the existing New Testament text written in Greek. This becomes a subtle attack on the reliability of the text of our Bible. If the Greek text is unreliable and has been corrupted, as is charged by some, the Church no longer has a standard of truth.
Although there are many different and diverse Hebrew Roots assemblies with variations in their teachings, they all adhere to a common emphasis on recovering the "original" Jewishness of Christianity. Their assumption is that the Church has lost its Jewish roots and is unaware that Jesus and His disciples were Jews living in obedience to the Torah. For the most part, those involved advocate the need for every believer to walk a Torah-observant life. This means that the ordinances of the Mosaic Covenant must be a central focus in the lifestyle of believers today as it was with the Old Testament Jews of Israel. Keeping the Torah includes keeping the Sabbath on the seventh day of the week (Saturday), celebrating the Jewish feasts and festivals, keeping the dietary laws, avoiding the "paganism" of Christianity (Christmas, Easter, etc.), and learning to understand the Scriptures from a Hebrew mindset. They teach that Gentile Christians have been grafted into Israel, and this is one reason every born-again believer in Jesus the Messiah is to participate in these observances. It is expressed that doing this is not required out of legalistic bondage, but out of a heart of love and obedience. However, they teach that to live a life that pleases God, this Torah-observant walk must be part of that life.
The Hebrew Roots assemblies are often made up of a majority of Gentiles, including Gentile rabbis.
Read more: What is the Hebrew Roots movement?
you're not supposed to go anywhere on sabbath Matt.
how far away is your church?
doesn't anyone do any work at Church?
6 hours at church on the sabbath and no one is working?
where does the Law say work not-for-gain.
it says DO NO WORK. period.
doesn't it?
i mean, this is fine and God bless you in it - but please don't tell me you're keeping Sinai sabbath!
how do you serve others physically all day?
do you do any work?
what do you eat?
and why?
why do you do this?
no yeast?
again...you said you go out all day on the 7th day.
you do things. i guess you get around it by saying it is not work-for-gain?
its fine for your choice of lifestyle.
but this is not the sabbath handed down to Israel.
okay.
but this is not what God commanded the people to bring to Him for firstfruits.
well, He specifically said booths. and He ordered particular structures, and specific plants hung in them.
really, you're just camping and calling it Sukkot.
you're breaking the Laws of Sukkot, Matt.
maybe even making a mockery of them.
this was LAW.
okay.
i have to sign off.
i might come back to it later.
you said you've been doing this for 9 years, so i hardly see you're without excuse for not doing it as commanded.
you're doing something else and calling it the Feast of the The Lord.
none of those things are in the Law.
i'd be rather concerned about doing THAT.
changing His Laws like that.
how far away is your church?
doesn't anyone do any work at Church?
6 hours at church on the sabbath and no one is working?
where does the Law say work not-for-gain.
it says DO NO WORK. period.
doesn't it?
i mean, this is fine and God bless you in it - but please don't tell me you're keeping Sinai sabbath!
how do you serve others physically all day?
do you do any work?
what do you eat?
and why?
why do you do this?
no yeast?
again...you said you go out all day on the 7th day.
you do things. i guess you get around it by saying it is not work-for-gain?
its fine for your choice of lifestyle.
but this is not the sabbath handed down to Israel.
okay.
but this is not what God commanded the people to bring to Him for firstfruits.
well, He specifically said booths. and He ordered particular structures, and specific plants hung in them.
really, you're just camping and calling it Sukkot.
you're breaking the Laws of Sukkot, Matt.
maybe even making a mockery of them.
this was LAW.
okay.
i have to sign off.
i might come back to it later.
you said you've been doing this for 9 years, so i hardly see you're without excuse for not doing it as commanded.
you're doing something else and calling it the Feast of the The Lord.
none of those things are in the Law.
i'd be rather concerned about doing THAT.
changing His Laws like that.
Etermally Grateful, you keep talking about not doing as a good thing. You compare it to a relationship with a husband. You could be the best wife possible, doing and doing for your husband but not love him so it would cancel out being a good wife. But if you love your husband it would include doing for him if you could.
I can just see a wife whose part of the marriage is being home and keeping it up, but saying I love you dear, so I don't have to make dinner to prove it.
You are suggesting that acts of worship only lead to lack of worship. I don't think that is good thinking. Lack of loving the Lord is just that, not loving the Lord. Whether you act that out or don't act that out does not change it. If fact, there is a possibility that acting as if you do could, possibly, lead to actually loving Him.
If we go to the original Hebrew much of our scripture was written in, they didn't have words in the abstract as our languages do. Such as love or faith always included doing. They understood these things ion the abstract as we do, but it always included how they were acted out. Our languages are not completing the thought as it was originally given.
I can just see a wife whose part of the marriage is being home and keeping it up, but saying I love you dear, so I don't have to make dinner to prove it.
You are suggesting that acts of worship only lead to lack of worship. I don't think that is good thinking. Lack of loving the Lord is just that, not loving the Lord. Whether you act that out or don't act that out does not change it. If fact, there is a possibility that acting as if you do could, possibly, lead to actually loving Him.
If we go to the original Hebrew much of our scripture was written in, they didn't have words in the abstract as our languages do. Such as love or faith always included doing. They understood these things ion the abstract as we do, but it always included how they were acted out. Our languages are not completing the thought as it was originally given.
Our church is 2 miles from my house. And the Israelites were allowed to allowed to go to the Tabernacle to offer up sacrfices, so they could travel for the right purpose.
As of right now, there is no one in our church who takes a salary. Some of the tithes go to pay a cell phone plan for everyone, but that's about it. But trust me, we all work at the church on the Sabbath, lol. When you're making lunch for 60 people, keeping bathrooms, kids areas and sanctuaries clean, you're doing some work. When you preach for an hour, or lead worship for an hour, you're working. But that's not really work when you think about it. That's service to the Body. That's service to our God. Remember, on the Sabbath, the Priests were told to do double the sacrifices.
Numbers 28:9-10 "Then on the sabbath day two male lambs one year old without defect, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil as a grain offering, and its drink offering:10 This is the burnt offering of every sabbath in addition to the continual burnt offering and its drink offering."
I'm not sure what you mean by this.
Yes I do work on the Sabbath by doing many of the things I've mentioned.
We eat whatever food is brought by people. We consider these Meal offerings (Leviticus 2) and Peace offerings (Leviticus 3)
Originally Posted by KohenMatt
We go 7 days without anything with yeast or leaven in it, and make a point to eat some kind of unleavened bread every day.
why do you do this?
no yeast?
Exodus 12:18-20 "In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty-first day of the month at evening.19 Seven days there shall be no leaven found in your houses; for whoever eats what is leavened, that person shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he is an alien or a native of the land.20 You shall not eat anything leavened; in all your dwellings you shall eat unleavened bread.”
Actually, I said church was pretty much an all day thing. We don't go anywhere else except to someone's house when the day is over.
What did God command to be brought for this Feast? Did EVERYONE have to bring only their own wheat?
Deuteronomy 16:10 "Then you shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks to the Lord your God with a tribute of a freewill offering of your hand, which you shall give just as the Lord your God blesses you"
Actually, the instruction is:
Leviticus 23:39-43 "‘On exactly the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the crops of the land, you shall celebrate the feast of the Lord for seven days, with a rest on the first day and a rest on the eighth day.40 Now on the first day you shall take for yourselves the foliage of beautiful trees, palm branches and boughs of leafy trees and willows of the brook, and you shall rejoice before the Lord your God for seven days.41 You shall thus celebrate it as a feast to the Lord for seven days in the year. It shall be a perpetual statute throughout your generations; you shall celebrate it in the seventh month.42 You shall live in booths for seven days; all the native-born in Israel shall live in booths,43 so that your generations may know that I had the sons of Israel live in booths when I brought them out from the land of Egypt. I am the Lord your God.’”
Strong's Hebrew Dictionary defines "booth" as:
H5521סכּה
sûkkâh
sook-kaw'
Feminine of H5520; a hut or lair: - booth, cottage, covert, pavilion, tabernacle, tent.
And remember, you never asked me how I decorated my tent.
So, if you and I both agree that I shouldn't be doing this for salvation or standing before God, why do you seem so bothered that I don't appear to be doing it exactly right according to your interpretation of how it should be done?
As of right now, there is no one in our church who takes a salary. Some of the tithes go to pay a cell phone plan for everyone, but that's about it. But trust me, we all work at the church on the Sabbath, lol. When you're making lunch for 60 people, keeping bathrooms, kids areas and sanctuaries clean, you're doing some work. When you preach for an hour, or lead worship for an hour, you're working. But that's not really work when you think about it. That's service to the Body. That's service to our God. Remember, on the Sabbath, the Priests were told to do double the sacrifices.
Numbers 28:9-10 "Then on the sabbath day two male lambs one year old without defect, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil as a grain offering, and its drink offering:10 This is the burnt offering of every sabbath in addition to the continual burnt offering and its drink offering."
i mean, this is fine and God bless you in it - but please don't tell me you're keeping Sinai sabbath!
Yes I do work on the Sabbath by doing many of the things I've mentioned.
We eat whatever food is brought by people. We consider these Meal offerings (Leviticus 2) and Peace offerings (Leviticus 3)
We go 7 days without anything with yeast or leaven in it, and make a point to eat some kind of unleavened bread every day.
no yeast?
Actually, I said church was pretty much an all day thing. We don't go anywhere else except to someone's house when the day is over.
What did God command to be brought for this Feast? Did EVERYONE have to bring only their own wheat?
Deuteronomy 16:10 "Then you shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks to the Lord your God with a tribute of a freewill offering of your hand, which you shall give just as the Lord your God blesses you"
Actually, the instruction is:
Leviticus 23:39-43 "‘On exactly the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the crops of the land, you shall celebrate the feast of the Lord for seven days, with a rest on the first day and a rest on the eighth day.40 Now on the first day you shall take for yourselves the foliage of beautiful trees, palm branches and boughs of leafy trees and willows of the brook, and you shall rejoice before the Lord your God for seven days.41 You shall thus celebrate it as a feast to the Lord for seven days in the year. It shall be a perpetual statute throughout your generations; you shall celebrate it in the seventh month.42 You shall live in booths for seven days; all the native-born in Israel shall live in booths,43 so that your generations may know that I had the sons of Israel live in booths when I brought them out from the land of Egypt. I am the Lord your God.’”
Strong's Hebrew Dictionary defines "booth" as:
H5521סכּה
sûkkâh
sook-kaw'
Feminine of H5520; a hut or lair: - booth, cottage, covert, pavilion, tabernacle, tent.
And remember, you never asked me how I decorated my tent.
So, if you and I both agree that I shouldn't be doing this for salvation or standing before God, why do you seem so bothered that I don't appear to be doing it exactly right according to your interpretation of how it should be done?
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What does this have to do with vein repetition things people call worship? I do not think you understood me at all!
You comparing apples to oranges.
Making dinner is a sign of love, But if you made the SAME stuff at exactly the same time, and served it the exact same way every time. Would it be love or duty?
Not to mention. What if you only did it once a week. and the rest of the week you did nothing?
again, I do not think you are comprehending what I am saying
Again, I do not think you understood what I was saying. Of course I know this. Loving kindness is the OT term for grace. or mercy..
But I am not talking about this. I am talking about weekly or monthly repeated things which people like to think make them more holy and God really likes. when God does not really want this, He wants our love,, And he wants us to go out and be a light in the world. This to God is pure and undefiled religion . Not repeating ritual, which were fulfilled (the symbology) By Christ.
as someone said earlier, the catholics do this, and many protestant brought alot of this with them. It does not make a person more holy or pure.. I know. I did it for years.
E
sure.
1. 10% of ALL we have (land food etc)
2. Given to the levites. as they were not allowed to work, make money, or own land)
so unless you give ten % of all you have to a levite, who is performing the work of God. you are not tithing according to the law
even abraham, he was not commanded, he gave a gift. and he gave of ALL he had.
the church has twisted this (as did the jews) to mean money.. and this is not according to the law.
1. 10% of ALL we have (land food etc)
2. Given to the levites. as they were not allowed to work, make money, or own land)
so unless you give ten % of all you have to a levite, who is performing the work of God. you are not tithing according to the law
even abraham, he was not commanded, he gave a gift. and he gave of ALL he had.
the church has twisted this (as did the jews) to mean money.. and this is not according to the law.
