Is the Hebrew Roots Movement a cult?

eternally-gratefull · Jul 11, 2013

where do you get this? did you actually read the passage?

0For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

this can be found in lev 27: 26. The book of the law of commands starts in chapter 10 with the stone tablets of the ten commandments, and continues up to chapter 27, with all the law given moses.. which would include every law and command given. NOT just the sacrificial laws.

zone · Jul 11, 2013

unclefester said:

judaizing.
it's deadly.

see the inference the Father is upset the Son gets all the attention?
and this not-so-shocking thing she's swallowed - Paul was given to deliberately stir up antisemitism by being misunderstood.

that g-d is a deceiver it seems.
the enemies of the cross have never stopped working.

Shiloah · Jul 11, 2013

Grandpa said:

Honestly, I give up trying to communicate this to you. It's evident you're not going to understand me no matter how I explain, or anyone else for that matter, no matter how thoroughly they explain it either. Off to another thread.

Shiloah · Jul 11, 2013

Grandpa said:

Thanks. lol.

eternally-gratefull · Jul 11, 2013

In fact, according to jews. The "Book of the law" was called the Torah. Or the whole book. Which included the ten commandments, and all 600 and some other commands. Which include the moral, the civil and the levitical laws.

God made a pact. Obey them ALL, or be cursed.. Paul said if we go back to these. and leave grace, we are under a curse.

RedTent · Jul 11, 2013

Grandpa said:

I know, Grandpa, When I met my Heavenly Father, and He told me all about Himself and His Son, that is what I told my Father. I even cried about it. I was told to find out about the Galatians, to find out about what God was saying. I knew that God would not say God was wrong, so I studied and found the most accurate history I could find. Paul was not reporting that God was against God, like I felt couldn't be, like you are saying God is. God is against making the customs of the Jews necessary to be one of God's family. He calls these "the law" sometimes and sometimes "circumcision". But Psalm 119 is still of God, God didn't erase it from scripture like you believe.

eternally-gratefull · Jul 11, 2013

RedTent said:

Galations is not just about circumcision.

It is about the WHOLE BOOK OF THE LAW.. Paul made it clear. If you go back, you are cursed, then he quoted lev 27: 6. Cursed is anyone who does not obey ALL the things written in the book of the law (the torah) and do them..

His point was, if yout going to add one or another, your indebted to do them all. perfectly!

RedTent · Jul 11, 2013

eternally-gratefull said:

Grandpa, you are saying that Christ decided that he picks me out of the entire world not to forgive when I go to Him with repentance? Paul made it clear that Christ saves. He is my Savior and I am cleanly forgiven. He speaks to me personally, and He speak to me every day through His word.

You are all up in the air because I speak well of His Father, my creator, and love Him as well as His Son.

You are always talking, yet, about going back. Back where? Is this back relating to this cursing? Of course I would be cursed by the law if I didn't take what I break of it to Christ for cleansing. Christ is my Savior, Christ took the curse of the law (death) from me.

What do you want me to do with the law? God gave it to me for my benefit. I am guided by it. Should I say it is a terrible thing? It is of God, I can not do that.

loveme1 · Jul 12, 2013

eternally-gratefull said:

Jeremiah 31

The New Covenant (pact) includes GOD's Law.

Matthew 22

Exodus 20

Revelation 22

It is written that Blessed are they that Keep the Commandments.

Keeping the Commandments means the right to the "tree of life"

If we go back, not keeping the Commandment of God in the garden of Eden meant death.

Shiloah · Jul 12, 2013

Revelation 12:17 So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

psychomom · Jul 12, 2013

I have read these 40 pages, and this is my conclusion--

why would anyone who is actually IN CHRIST turn to a covenant God made with national Israel,
which is GONE (and we were NEVER part of), seek it for instruction in behavior?

When the New Testament is LOADED with the way we should live as believers?

Backwordzdog · Jul 12, 2013

huh?
you have to remember God
and Isaiahs prophecy

Backwordzdog · Jul 12, 2013

Their is no savior besides God
Isaiah 45 15

psychomom · Jul 12, 2013

Backwordzdog said:

care to expound on that?

RedTent · Jul 12, 2013

psychomom said:

Because the church has been to convert the gentiles, to let them know the gospel for these thousands of years. And as you say, they have done it by the NT, the completion of God's work for us through Christ. It has been good. But it is not complete, either, because as the NT is read it is not read as a whole with the OT. God is now opening up a way to know Him both as Creator and Savior. We have know Him mostly as Savior, and that is the most necessary. Now, we need to grow and know the Creator as well as the Savior.

psychomom · Jul 12, 2013

RedTent said:

Stuff and nonsense!

Read the gospel of John alone and count the number of times the Lord says if you have seen Him you have seen the Father.
That He and the Father are ONE.

Heb. 1:1-3

God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power.

loveme1 · Jul 12, 2013

psychomom said:

Yesterday while hanging the washing on the line i realized just how much was required with the Old Covenant, some have said 600 or so.. i have never counted.

Now i believe the New Covenant is Keeping the Commandments of GOD and having the Testimony of the Messiah.

The Messiah affirmed that all the Commandments were to be kept and said our Righteousness must exceed that of the pharisees.

We are to Love even our enemy.

I will adhere to the Testimony of the Messiah and in comparison to the law of Moses what an easy yoke and light burden indeed.

A Gracious Loving GOD we have.

Grandpa · Jul 12, 2013

loveme1 said:

Yes it does. But in Christ, its a brand new way.

Its not one Christians work at to keep. Its one Christians are given as a gift.

It was spoken of by King David when he said blessed is he whose sins aren't imputed against him. And it was prophesied of by Ezekiel.

Ezekiel 36:22-27
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Its only by the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus that commandments are kept. The Spirit is given as a gift by God when we come before Him.

If we refuse the working of His Spirit and go back to the law to try to keep it ourselves we have failed. Our only hope is in the Lord Jesus and Him working and growing the Holy Spirit that He has given us.

If we turn away from and try to keep His Perfect Law we are in effect showing Him that we don't believe that He has already fulfilled that.

When we abide in Him and trust in Him alone for our righteousness we are showing Him that we do believe that He is our Righteousness.

Therefore Christians are not under the Law, but we establish the law, by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Abiding · Jul 12, 2013

RedTent said:

your runnin amuk again

Mt 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

John 17:25 "Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me.
I Jn 2:23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.
1 John 5:20 says, "And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life."
2 Corinthians 5:19, .. God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself .

John 1:3 — All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.A\\\

ll things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was mad
Colossians 1:16-18 — F16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.or by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
Ephesians 3:9 — and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;
Heb. 1:1-3 “God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, [SUP]2[/SUP]has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; [SUP]3[/SUP]who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person;”

loveme1 · Jul 12, 2013

Grandpa said:

Yes it does. But in Christ, its a brand new way.

Its not one Christians work at to keep. Its one Christians are given as a gift.

It was spoken of by King David when he said blessed is he whose sins aren't imputed against him. And it was prophesied of by Ezekiel.

Ezekiel 36:22-27
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Its only by the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus that commandments are kept. The Spirit is given as a gift by God when we come before Him.

If we refuse the working of His Spirit and go back to the law to try to keep it ourselves we have failed. Our only hope is in the Lord Jesus and Him working and growing the Holy Spirit that He has given us.

If we turn away from and try to keep His Perfect Law we are in effect showing Him that we don't believe that He has already fulfilled that.

When we abide in Him and trust in Him alone for our righteousness we are showing Him that we do believe that He is our Righteousness.

Therefore Christians are not under the Law, but we establish the law, by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

What did the Messiah teach us about Faith? and how it is increased?

Where does the Messiah state the bolded to us?

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