Is the Holy Spirit at work today

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Abiding

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what is prophecy Abiding?

is there a difference between prophets and prophecy?

I know you don't believe in prophets but what about prophecy?

Ive tried to make that distinction here many times and got no feedback.
Ok I am not talking about a prophet:

At any time a believer can be prompted by the Holyspirit to speak
words that will bring relevance and application to the word of God and also
empower the listener or listeners and it will bring edification,
exhortation and comfort.

This is nothing unusual, or uncommon, may be in a casual visit, or come from
a pulpit. No red light flashes, and usually it happens when the person giving
it is not into himself and mindfull of others.
 
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AnandaHya

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#82
Ive tried to make that distinction here many times and got no feedback.
Ok I am not talking about a prophet:

At any time a believer can be prompted by the Holyspirit to speak
words that will bring relevance and application to the word of God and also
empower the listener or listeners and it will bring edification,
exhortation and comfort.

This is nothing unusual, or uncommon, may be in a casual visit, or come from
a pulpit. No red light flashes, and usually it happens when the person giving
it is not into himself and mindfull of others.
:) I agree and I think we should pray with Paul that all prophesies in this manner ;)
 
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unclefester

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:) I agree and I think we should pray with Paul that all prophesies in this manner ;)

I've encouraged and edified one or two souls along my life's path. I guess I must be a prophet too :)
 
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well if people aren't claiming they're getting new revelation then i guess they aren't prophets, so i needn't give it another thought:)
thanks shroom.
Who said anything about "new revelation"?

As I said: You don't know what the manifestation of prophesy is.

1 Cor 14:3) But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

Was Agabus bringing "new light" to Paul when he told him if he went to Jerusalem he would be bound?

The manifestation of prophesy and the gift ministry of a prophet are both alive and well.

PS. I do agree that some who claim they are prophets and say they are speaking for God aren't.
 
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AnandaHya

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#85
I've encouraged and edified one or two souls along my life's path. I guess I must be a prophet too :)
you missed the part where Abiding said that was NOT what a prophet is but the definition of prophecy?

trying to blur the lines when we are trying to tell people there is a dfference between a PROPHet and prophecy....Everyone knows the PROPHET Moses foretold is referring to Jesus and no other right?
 
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AnandaHya

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The manifestation of prophesy and the gift ministry of a prophet are both alive and well.
what is the difference between the two shroom?

you once said manifestations were different then what you refer to as gift ministries and I was wondering if you could expound upon the differences between the two.
 

zone

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Who said anything about "new revelation"?

As I said: You don't know what the manifestation of prophesy is.

1 Cor 14:3) But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

Was Agabus bringing "new light" to Paul when he told him if he went to Jerusalem he would be bound?

The manifestation of prophesy and the gift ministry of a prophet are both alive and well.

PS. I do agree that some who claim they are prophets and say they are speaking for God aren't.
how do we tell the difference - cuz "the prophets are subject to the prophets"? LOL!
that was true Historically when God ordained real prophets for the foundation.
today's it's just kindergarten.
the letter to Corinth has ZERO to do with 2011. NADA.

Agabus? Paul? they've been dead since the foundation.
what's that got to do with Latter Rain?
 
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Red why do you continue to call me stiffnecked? Its a bit offensive. Why do you continue to infer i
have any doubts about the necessity of the work of the Holyspirit? What exactly are you saying to me?
I surely dont know.
There are many of us on this site that are stiffnecked about doctrine, what we understand and many other things that pertain to righteousness and true holiness. We don't like to think of ourselves in this manner but we are and it is has to be driven from us. When God's plan begins to drive out our stiffnecked understanding concerning God's ways, we react and don't want to be identified with the implications because we think of ourselves as being spiritual or having good righteousness, when in reality we are having problems with rebellion in the heart and carnality in the mind because of the knowledge we are relying upon that produces a certain kind of faith that does not belong to the Son of God. We fight for that knowledge of faith and we defend that faith, but it lacks the right and just ways of God because the heart has not been circumcised. I'm guilty of it and have been on several occasions but God is faithful to reveal these things to us if we are of a humble and contrite heart (Phil 3:15). So don't be offended, we all have experienced what it means to be stiffnecked, even Pickles, as sweet and loving as she is.

Ps 25:8,9 Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way. 9 The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.

Is 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones .
 
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what is the difference between the two shroom?

you once said manifestations were different then what you refer to as gift ministries and I was wondering if you could expound upon the differences between the two.
Hi Ananda,

Every Christian has holy spirit. That is the gift. They receive it when they become Christian, when they act on Romans 10:9. That gift has nine manifestations, one of which is prophesy. Every Christian has the ability to operate the manifestation of prophesy. It is bringing forth words from God for the body of believers present. They will always be words of edification, either comfort or exhortation.

1 Cor 14:3) But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

There are five gift ministries:

Eph 4:
8) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Some Christians have the gift ministry of a prophet. They speak for God to other people things that God wants those other people to know. Like Nathan confronting David about his sin with Bathsheba, or Agabus telling Paul that if he went to Jerusalem he would be bound.

Sorry this is a little short, but I hope it helps.
 

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Hi Ananda,

Every Christian has holy spirit. That is the gift. They receive it when they become Christian, when they act on Romans 10:9. That gift has nine manifestations, one of which is prophesy. Every Christian has the ability to operate the manifestation of prophesy.

It is bringing forth words from God for the body of believers present. They will always be words of edification, either comfort or exhortation..
1) HUH?
2) can't God speak "to the heart" of believers Himself?
3) can't the bible quickened by The Spirit do its job just like it has from the beginning?
 
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DaivdM

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Well I had an experience on sunday afternoon.. I was testing my faith to see if my faith was strong..

So that day was raining a lot.. So I shouted saying "In the name of Jesus Christ, I command you to stop" 40 second later the rain started to stop.. So I say "No, this is not enought"
So I said again "In the name of Jesuschrist I command you to stop completely, not even one drop of water" again 40 second to 1 minute it stop raining completely..

So yeah, I believe that God do mirecles and that He also hears you...
 
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Ramon

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Well I had an experience on sunday afternoon.. I was testing my faith to see if my faith was strong..

So that day was raining a lot.. So I shouted saying "In the name of Jesus Christ, I command you to stop" 40 second later the rain started to stop.. So I say "No, this is not enought"
So I said again "In the name of Jesuschrist I command you to stop completely, not even one drop of water" again 40 second to 1 minute it stop raining completely..

So yeah, I believe that God do mirecles and that He also hears you...
:):):):):)
 
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AnandaHya

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Well I had an experience on sunday afternoon.. I was testing my faith to see if my faith was strong..

So that day was raining a lot.. So I shouted saying "In the name of Jesus Christ, I command you to stop" 40 second later the rain started to stop.. So I say "No, this is not enought"
So I said again "In the name of Jesuschrist I command you to stop completely, not even one drop of water" again 40 second to 1 minute it stop raining completely..

So yeah, I believe that God do mirecles and that He also hears you...
Matthew 4
5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written:


‘ He shall give His angels charge over you,’
and,


‘ In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’”

7 Jesus said to him, “It is written again, ‘You shall not tempt the LORD your God.’”[c]

Deuteronomy 13

Punishment of Apostates

1 “If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.


Prayer should be for the Glory of GOD not witchcraft prayers to puff up the pride and flesh by allowing the person to have "power" or "signs"

Did this experience lead you closer to God or build up your pride in yourself and your own abilities?
 
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The Holy Spirit is at work today for it is by the Holy Spirit that we make it to heaven,for we cannot overcome the world without the Spirit,and without the Spirit we are not with Christ.

Is miracles happening today as in the past,they are happening today on the same level,or at least should be,for if they happened for them back then to testify of the truth,then it would have to happen today to testify of the truth,for the people today did not witness the miracles when the Church began so they do not know,and need to have the same miracles to testify to them of the truth,as they did at the start of the Church.

8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity(1 Corinthians 13:8-13).


This is not talking that miracles will cease while on this earth,but talking when we get to heaven these things will cease,for they will not be needed in heaven,but on this earth they are needed.


It is talking about things that will not be needed in heaven,and that will cease,and that is why it states that three abide,faith,hope,and charity,but the greatest of these is charity,and that is because faith and hope are not needed in heaven,because you have to have faith and hope while on earth,and when you get to heaven you do not need faith and hope anymore for you are there,but charity,which is love in action,will last forever and never cease.


So these scriptures are not talking about miracles ceasing after the start of the early Church,or any other time in history on this earth,but Paul is stating that all things on this earth that helps us in our walk with God,including faith and hope,and helps people to come to God,hence miracles,will all cease when we get to heaven,but charity,love in action,will go on forever and never cease.


When we get to heaven,of all the things on earth to help us in our walk with God,and to help people come to God,will cease,for they are not needed in heaven,but love will go on forever and never cease.


That is what those scriptures are saying,that all will cease but love in heaven,not miracles will cease while on earth,because miracles are needed,for it testifies of the truth to bring people to God to know it comes from God,helping them to realize that God does exist,and that is why the Bible says that signs and wonders will follow those who follow Christ,for those signs and wonders testify of the truth,which Jesus is a good example when He said,if you do not believe the words He said,believe the works,miracles that He did,because they testify of the truth that He is from God,which Nicodemus told Jesus,we know that you are a teacher from God,for no one could do those miracles unless God is with them.

If miracles were needed back then to testify of the truth,then miracles are needed today to testify of the truth,that it is from God,for the people today are in the same boat as them back then,to have miracles to be brought forth to testify of the truth,for the people today did not witness what went on in the early Church so some will not believe,so they deserve the same privilege to have miracles be brought forth to testify of the truth,as they did back then.

That miracles have ceased today is a lie from the devil,for the devil does not want people to come to the truth by the testifying of miracles by the Spirit.

The thing is that today there are so many hypocrites,people claiming Christ but without the truth,without the Spirit,that signs and wonders are not following the vast majority of people claiming Christianity,so people by observing the lack of miracles by this hypocritical condition,which the Bible testifies will happen,they think that miracles have ceased,giving more credit to people claiming Christ then they ought,thinking the vast majority cannot be wrong by this lack of miracles,so miracles must have ceased,but the Bible says this hypocritical condition on such a high level will exist at this time,and the majority does not rule in this case,in which God said the majority of people claiming Christ will be wrong,and like Jesus said when He comes back to earth will He find faith.

Miracles have not ceased,and signs and wonders are supposed to follow Christians as a testimony to the truth,to bring people to God,but what has ceased for the most part is people's willingness to follow God like they are supposed to,who have a form of godliness but deny the Spirit to lead them,so what can happen if the Spirit is not leading them,a lack of miracles which is on such a high level,that people think miracles must have ceased for the majority do not have these things in their life,but the Spirit is saying do not quench Me,let those miracles be brought forth to bring people to Me,and the Spirit is saying are you for Me or against Me,because you deny Me people that I love by not showing them that I do exist by miracles to testify of the truth.
 
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DaivdM

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Matthew 4
5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written:


‘ He shall give His angels charge over you,’
and,


‘ In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’”

7 Jesus said to him, “It is written again, ‘You shall not tempt the LORD your God.’”[c]

Deuteronomy 13

Punishment of Apostates

1 “If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Prayer should be for the Glory of GOD not witchcraft prayers to puff up the pride and flesh by allowing the person to have "power" or "signs"

Did this experience lead you closer to God or build up your pride in yourself and your own abilities?


First of all, I am not tempting God like you said....
second of all, I am not a prophet, and I didnt do that to make people believe in me or to tell them to go to another god....
I did it like i said, to test my faith

What did Peter said to Jesus when He was in the boat?
If you are Him, let me walk in the water to..

So, you are very wrong

Give me a verse in the bible that said that testing your faith is bad

Also I gave all the Glory to God for that....

God bless you brother :)
 
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AnandaHya

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no you tested God not your faith.... this is what the Bible says is testing your faith:

James 1:2-4
New King James Version (NKJV)
2 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. 4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing.

Revelation 2:10
Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.



anyways its between you and God. He knows your heart and your motives. it is just a warning,

do you do it FOR God or do you seek what God can do FOR you?

that is not a question you have to answer to me and neither is it an accusation, just a question everyone should ask themselves when they seek signs and wonders with their prayers.
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James 4:3-5
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. 4 Adulterers and[a] adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”?
 
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no not really, but thanks for trying, I guess....
Sorry.....

One more try:

The manifestation of prophesy will always be words of edification, and it is for the body of believers present (the people in the meeting with whoever is prophesying). The words in a manifestation of prophesy will never tell you what you've been doing wrong. They will always build you up. (1 Cor 14:3)

A prophesy from a person with the gift ministry of a prophet will be more specific. There will be specific instruction or admonition. As I mentioned, like when Nathan confronted David about sleeping with Bathsheba and having Uriah killed, or Agabus telling Paul he would be bound. A person with the gift ministry of a prophet is speaking specific things for God, usually to specific people.

I'm sorry I can't explain it better.
 

zone

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Sorry.....

One more try:

The manifestation of prophesy will always be words of edification, and it is for the body of believers present (the people in the meeting with whoever is prophesying). The words in a manifestation of prophesy will never tell you what you've been doing wrong. They will always build you up. (1 Cor 14:3)

A prophesy from a person with the gift ministry of a prophet will be more specific. There will be specific instruction or admonition. As I mentioned, like when Nathan confronted David about sleeping with Bathsheba and having Uriah killed, or Agabus telling Paul he would be bound. A person with the gift ministry of a prophet is speaking specific things for God, usually to specific people.

I'm sorry I can't explain it better.
always back to the OT when God was using prophets as messengers and even mediators.....tsk tsk.......shrooman. can't be twistin' like dat.

Hebrews 1
The Supremacy of God’s Son
1Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. 3He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.

Agabus was a prophet cuz he was ordained to help lay the foundation shroomdaddy. that was a LONG time ago now. the prophets worked with the Apostles, who had to have seen the resurrected Christ.

Eph 2:20
Together, we are his house, built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets. And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.

1 Corinthians 3:9
For we [Paul and the others] are God's fellow workers; you [the sheepies] are God's field, God's building.

1 Corinthians 3:10
By the grace God has given me, I [Paul] laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else [the sheepies] is building on it. But each one should be careful how he builds.

1 Corinthians 3:11
For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.

one time. mission accomplished.
delivered, signed and sealed.
era ended.
gifts and offices ceased. simple.

anywaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayz, in this supposed manifestation that edifies, does the "prophet" get a message directly from God about......the church? the pastor? one person?

does he get it spontaneously in service, or like the night before?

does the guy say "Thus saith The Lord"? is it spoken First Person [Jesus] verbatim?

is it new revelation, like : God says He will do this and this for the church etc?

how often does it happen at your church? are there resident prophets or can anybody do it?

is the prophecy spoken in glossolalia or english?

could you type a sample of what a prophecy would be like?

thx mr. sroom.
from the zone.
 
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