Is the Holy Spirit showing us God can be anywhere and everywhere at the same time (Omnipresent|Omniscient)?

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His body knew no sin so it was not under the curse of sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
2 Corinthians 5:21

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
 

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Why do you write this as if God didn't know from the beginning He was going to be injecting Himself into this reality to save us?
God knows the end from the beginning the thing is we don’t , I think you are perceiving that but that’s not what I think . Gods foreknowledge doesn’t change the fact of free will and his response to correct for instance

“And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

do you think God planned this ? Or is his repentance a result of what mankind had done with the gift he gave them? And so his action was a result of theirs

Gods foreknowledge not only about coming in the flesh of Christ , but everything he already knows the very end before there was a beginning. So to perceive that I’m saying God didn’t know anything ahead of time is not what I’m saying at all .

his foreknowledge doesn’t chi ange that he responds to our situation and has been since Eden when after they transgressed and made dog leave garments he then took skin and covered thier shame and nakedness

we see things off course when we transgressed and God has been working to correct and redeem things always . Sorry I’m not a very good writer , but that’s not what I was meaning to be clear God knows all things , but there is still his plan being revealed to us in the frame of time and not outside of it like he is
 

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I think Christ had to become Man with His own Spirit. That makes a Man worthy of the ultimate sacrifice. It wasn't necessary for the physical body that Christ's Spirit was in to be particularly special at birth. The Baptism made it ready for what He was here to do.
His authority and anointing to preach the gospel is what came at baptism, because that was the appointed time for the kingdom to be preached .

when you say he became a man with his own spirit , I’m not understanding what you are meaning . Are toy
Talking about his life prior to ministry ?

brother his life on earth as the son , is an example for us who are the children. Yes he had the Holy Spirit from birth it’s his spirit when he received it at baptism it was the anointing and power to begin preaching the gospel and doing all he did . Not because he wasn’t Jesus before but because Gods plan all has timing and it has become time for salvation to begin to be preached after all the darkness that had been filling the world

even John the Baptist had the Holy Ghost even in the womb the Holy Spirit is Gods presence with man . That’s what Jesus receiving that baptism is about an example for us showing that through belief repenatance and remission of baptism Gods spirit comes to be with us .

it’s actually his spirit that came from heaven and lit upon him , but so we can understand about the children he had to come and be one of us and while on earth humble himself and make himself subject to God as we are but he himself is God revealed . The Holy Ghost is the spirit of Jesus Christ , his particulate baptism was aboit an appointed time and anointing to preach and live out the gospel

Jesus time had come and he gave an example for the children in the form of the son.

When you receive the holy spirit you are receiving the father and son because they are one all three are one being. If one receives the Holy Ghost father and son are there if we receive Christ father and son and Holy Ghost are there there the same just manifest differently for our abilities to grasp The unknowable
 
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His authority and anointing to preach the gospel is what came at baptism, because that was the appointed time for the kingdom to be preached .

when you say he became a man with his own spirit , I’m not understanding what you are meaning . Are toy
Talking about his life prior to ministry ?

brother his life on earth as the son , is an example for us who are the children. Yes he had the Holy Spirit from birth it’s his spirit when he received it at baptism it was the anointing and power to begin preaching the gospel and doing all he did . Not because he wasn’t Jesus before but because Gods plan all has timing and it has become time for salvation to begin to be preached after all the darkness that had been filling the world

even John the Baptist had the Holy Ghost even in the womb the Holy Spirit is Gods presence with man . That’s what Jesus receiving that baptism is about an example for us showing that through belief repenatance and remission of baptism Gods spirit comes to be with us .

it’s actually his spirit that came from heaven and lit upon him , but so we can understand about the children he had to come and be one of us and while on earth humble himself and make himself subject to God as we are but he himself is God revealed . The Holy Ghost is the spirit of Jesus Christ , his particulate baptism was aboit an appointed time and anointing to preach and live out the gospel

Jesus time had come and he gave an example for the children in the form of the son.

When you receive the holy spirit you are receiving the father and son because they are one all three are one being. If one receives the Holy Ghost father and son are there if we receive Christ father and son and Holy Ghost are there there the same just manifest differently for our abilities to grasp The unknowable
Christ's Spirit is free to be in the Holy Trinity at the Birth of Jesus. It's the body I'm talking about.
 

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Christ's Spirit is free to be in the Holy Trinity at the Birth of Jesus. It's the body I'm talking about.
Christ is the” trinity “ fully reavealomg his invisible nature in one

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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Christ is the” trinity “ fully reavealomg his invisible nature in one

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Well, was that written after the Baptism?
 
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God knows the end from the beginning the thing is we don’t , I think you are perceiving that but that’s not what I think . Gods foreknowledge doesn’t change the fact of free will and his response to correct for instance

“And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

do you think God planned this ? Or is his repentance a result of what mankind had done with the gift he gave them? And so his action was a result of theirs

Gods foreknowledge not only about coming in the flesh of Christ , but everything he already knows the very end before there was a beginning. So to perceive that I’m saying God didn’t know anything ahead of time is not what I’m saying at all .

his foreknowledge doesn’t chi ange that he responds to our situation and has been since Eden when after they transgressed and made dog leave garments he then took skin and covered thier shame and nakedness

we see things off course when we transgressed and God has been working to correct and redeem things always . Sorry I’m not a very good writer , but that’s not what I was meaning to be clear God knows all things , but there is still his plan being revealed to us in the frame of time and not outside of it like he is
Very curious, could it be related to this? https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...as-god’s-creation-before-the-creation.197945/
 

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not sure about quantum fields and things brother I still can’t follow the scientific lingo in that post . I apologize again lol
 
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not sure about quantum fields and things brother I still can’t follow the scientific lingo in that post . I apologize again lol
Ignore the the science part. I just want to know what this means "Wisdom was God’s creation before the creation".
 

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2 Corinthians 5:21

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Only a spotless Lamb could be the sacrifice for sin.

When was our sin laid upon Him?

For the cause of Christ
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How? I'm screaming that the Baptism was not for show.
it was for this purpose he received the spirit which he explained soon after baptism

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor;

he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:18-19, 21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus didn’t need to receive the spirit to be God , he received the anointing because the time had come for the gospel to be preached

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


It was an anointing for him to mediate the new covenant and fulfill the old it was that his time had come that’s why he received the spirit like he said it was time to preach salvation the gospel of the kingdom

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It could be confusing because when he was in earth he was humbled and living as a man subject to God that’s only formoir benifit to Understand the children he showed us what it is to be his children
 
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Was Jesus fully God via Christ's Spirit at birth, but the body wasn't fully God until Baptism? Wouldn't the Body have a hard time aging if it was full at Birth?
 

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Was Jesus fully God via Christ's Spirit at birth, but the body wasn't fully God until Baptism? Wouldn't the Body have a hard time aging if it was full at Birth?
brother jesus was never not fully God before during or after from beginning to end

when he was on earth he had humbled himself to show us mans place in creation being subject to God

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:5-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Part of his goal was to teach us what man is meant to be
 
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brother jesus was never not fully God before during or after from beginning to end

when he was on earth he had humbled himself to show us mans place in creation being subject to God

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:5-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Part of his goal was to teach us what man is meant to be
Was Jesus Anointed at Baptism? Then why are we claiming there was a connection to the Holy Spirit of the Human Side beforehand?
 

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Was Jesus Anointed at Baptism? Then why are we claiming there was a connection to the Holy Spirit of the Human Side beforehand?
he received the spirit for the anointing tomoresch at the appointed time , the anointing to heal and do all he did , he before we begin to really r ead of him in the gospel a couple times as a child but the focus begins at johns ministry because that was the preparation for the giving of the new covenant by the lord himself .

the time we don’t read of Jesus lives an average life under the law but never sinned or transgressed even though he was like us and tempted . That’s what the beleaguered causes the ability to be tempted by lust which is spiritual knowledge of evil

Jesus was tempted but never succumb to it and sinned he overcame as a man ( the son of man ) the promised messiah .

the man part of Jesus is to save us he was God and is God . During the time he spent as one of us , he had to be as we are just a man subject to God , until the time appointed for salvation to be preached that’s what we read abo it in the gospel the time of the new covenant had come and all are invited into the kingdom through belief

The only reason Jesus received the spirit was because it was part of Gods plan spoken on prophecy that the messiah would receive Gods spirit and God would soeak
And call him his son like what happened at baptism that’s in prophecy as a witness of hen messiah

the messiah is the lord who loves us and came to be one of us , to save us overcoming sin and death for us and showing us the way home to him
 
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he received the spirit for the anointing tomoresch at the appointed time , the anointing to heal and do all he did , he before we begin to really r ead of him in the gospel a couple times as a child but the focus begins at johns ministry because that was the preparation for the giving of the new covenant by the lord himself .

the time we don’t read of Jesus lives an average life under the law but never sinned or transgressed even though he was like us and tempted . That’s what the beleaguered causes the ability to be tempted by lust which is spiritual knowledge of evil

Jesus was tempted but never succumb to it and sinned he overcame as a man ( the son of man ) the promised messiah .

the man part of Jesus is to save us he was God and is God . During the time he spent as one of us , he had to be as we are just a man subject to God , until the time appointed for salvation to be preached that’s what we read abo it in the gospel the time of the new covenant had come and all are invited into the kingdom through belief

The only reason Jesus received the spirit was because it was part of Gods plan spoken on prophecy that the messiah would receive Gods spirit and God would soeak
And call him his son like what happened at baptism that’s in prophecy as a witness of hen messiah

the messiah is the lord who loves us and came to be one of us , to save us overcoming sin and death for us and showing us the way home to him
Was Jesus's body Born without pre-Atonement because He needed to represent everyone?